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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on September 27, 2011, 03:18:28 PM
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Is this still America?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46443
Max Motors targeted by ATF, banks and General Motors
Missouri car dealer offered AK-47's with new car purchases
by Neil W. McCabe
09/27/2011
Despite the White House harassment, and the loss of financing and insurance arrangements that came in the past, the Butler, Mo., car dealer who will be giving away AK-47’s again starting in October.
“Guess what? We are doing it again! It is the Fourth Annual Great Guns and Gas Give-Away!” said Mark Muller, the owner of Max Motors, whose July 17, 2009 interview with CNN’s Carol Costello about his promotion was great publicity, but brought him unwelcome attention.
Within days of the CNN broadcast, three agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives arrived at the dealership, he said.
“I was not there, they identified themselves and asked who was in-charge, and everybody pointed at each other,” he said.
Undeterred, the agents demanded to see the guns, he said. When it was explained that there were no actual guns, and that the promotion was really for vouchers towards the purchase of an AK-47, the agents did not believe it.
“There was an empty gun box here from a gun dealer in North Carolina, and they took that and demanded to see the gun that came with that box,” he said. The agents also went into storage rooms and took photos.
The next day, Muller received a call from the ATF asking him to come in for a meeting with all of his personal guns, which they insisted they had to authority to order, he said. Muller held his ground and refused to submit to the audit without first going through due process.
“The ATF people were just as nice as can be. They were not mean or hateful—and finally I asked the lady on the phone: Don’t you have something better to do?” he said. He then re-explained that there were vouchers for guns and that no guns were being given away.
“She said: ‘Let me tell you how important this is, the White House started their morning with a briefing on you. We got a call from Washington, D.C. this morning. They wanted you checked out,” he said.
“That’s your big government in action. I’m a guy exercising his constitutional rights and I’m such a threat to security that the White House has to check in on me?” he said.
At the end of his conversation with the ATF agent, she threatened to raid his house to audit his personal firearms, but it never happened, Muller said.
In addition to the government, Muller said his business relationships also suffered.
“First National Bank of Kansas called and said they did not appreciate the promotion. We were cancelled instantly. ‘Never send us more paperwork: You’re done,’” he said. This was the end of three-year relationship.
“The bank told me was political: ‘What you’re doing is irresponsible—and we don’t ever want to do business with anyone like you ever again,’” he said.
“I had another business in the next county north of me here, and I got another cease and desist letter from the insurance company in Harrisonville saying they are cancelling all of my insurance immediately,” he said. “That was for a business that didn’t even involve Max Motors.”
The state of Missouri also got in on the act, he said.
“The Missouri Department of Revenue came down on Max Motors for some very petty stuff and threatened to shut me down,” he said.
“When I asked the agent if this had anything to do with my gun promotion he just smiled big and said what promotion?” he said. “He was a real jerk and this also stinks of Big Government.”
The most serious action came in a letter from Detroit, he said.
“The factory rep walked in and had a letter that said: Do to the gunning of the Jewish community center in California by a right-wing extremist,” he said. The letter directed Muller to cease and desist the AK-47 promotion immediately or General Motors, the parent of Chevrolet, Buick, GMAC and Cadillac, would revoke his dealer agreement.
When Muller asked the factory rep to see the letter, which was addressed to him and signed by then-GM Vice-Chairman and Senior Advisor Robert A. Luntz, the rep refused to hand it to him. “She said: I can’t give it to you.” But, holding it firmly, the rep allowed Muller to read it himself.
“I got Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Jeep, Buick, GMC and was Cadillac,” he said. “They took Cadillac away from me, but now they are going to give it back to me.”
Coming up in October when he brings the promotion back, Muller said he is undeterred.
“I got a great picture of an AK-47 in the newspaper. I am doing it at the Ford dealership, but I am advertising in the paper where I have my Chevy dealership, so when GM complains, I’ll ask ‘em: So, now you’re telling me what I can do at the Ford store? I tell them: I understand that Government Motors is an all-encompassing thing, but don’t you think that is a little strong?”
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I'm glad he is doing it again, if I had the extra money, I'd fly up there and buy one of his cars, and drive back. With my AK.
I hope they post the banks, lenders, insurance co's, anyone who came down on this car dealer. F them and their grasseating BS.
Expose them for the vermin they are, boycott their companies, send them letters why your cancelling/closing your account.
Let them get a taste of the shi* sandwich they served up.
>:(
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So, let me get this straight.....
The White House is having First Thing In The Morning Meetings about this and are all over it like vultures, giving it A #1 Top Rush Priority and these same vigilant watch dogs claim to be unaware that their very same agency the are working with on this walked over 2000 guns to drug cartels in Mexico?
Wish I had that video of Bill Clinton laughing uncontrollably for this one....well, and edited version with just the laughing.
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No problem Solus...
I can't find the Carter one though..... ::)
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Is it a good thing the AFT is checking to see if they are actually giving out guns?
yes, they are a law enforcment agentcy, that deals with guns, that is thier job( rather you agree with the laws or not)
The way they went about it is what sucks.
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I seem to remember the Bank of Denver (is that right) gave out rifles (coupons of course) for years. Weatherby's at one point? Did they also give out Winslow rifles too at some point? I guess those bolt actions rifles were PC though.
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The other all brands dealer down the road has no ccw signs on the windows. Guess which one will get my business?
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The other all brands dealer down the road has no ccw signs on the windows. Guess which one will get my business?
Let them know why they lost your business..and have all your friends let them know they will be bypassing them when they look.
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Let them know why they lost your business..and have all your friends let them know they will be bypassing them when they look.
You can download and print out FREE business-style cards to explain your position to these businesses at the following link:
http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/ (http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/)
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honestly, if you hand me a biz card with a political statement on it, I'm going to wipe my ass with it, hand it back and tell you to get the f..k off my property.
I find that to be extremely rude, if you have a political statement to make, either talk to me about it or send me a letter.
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honestly, if you hand me a biz card with a political statement on it, I'm going to wipe my ass with it, hand it back and tell you to get the f..k off my property.
I find that to be extremely rude, if you have a political statement to make, either talk to me about it or send me a letter.
Most excellent !
Then not only can I deny you my money, I can have you arrested for indecent exposure, maybe even get you on the sex offenders list.
Sweet ! ;D
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I think ripping a loud fart in a elevator will get you on the sex offenders list.
Its sad that you can be a sex offender if your cuaght taking a piss in your own back yard.
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honestly, if you hand me a biz card with a political statement on it, I'm going to wipe my ass with it, hand it back and tell you to get the f..k off my property.
I find that to be extremely rude, if you have a political statement to make, either talk to me about it or send me a letter.
In the case at hand, TAB, the customer's who's business you just lost. due to your posting of a political statement on your door, was simply letting you know the reason for the loss.
Had you not felt the need to make that political statement, he wouldn't seen the need to respond.
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Is it a good thing the AFT is checking to see if they are actually giving out guns?
Had they watched the video coverage from the news agencies or read the ad, they would have already had the answers to their questions.
I remember seeing the news coverage from the first promotion and it was made clear that no guns were just handed out, you had to go through the FFL process.
She said: ‘Let me tell you how important this is, the White House started their morning with a briefing on you. We got a call from Washington, D.C. this morning. They wanted you checked out,” he said.
THIS is what the WH has their focus on??? WTF???
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In the case at hand, TAB, the customer's who's business you just lost. due to your posting of a political statement on your door, was simply letting you know the reason for the loss.
Had you not felt the need to make that political statement, he wouldn't seen the need to respond.
no weapons has nothing to do with making a political statement( atleast not for me) its strickly a liabilty issue. Also they don't have to come to my place of biz.
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Sticking with the premise TAB, how "gun" friendly is your insurance co. , bank, car dealer, suppliers, vendors, etc,.. (I know you live in Ca, so that should be just about everyone you write a check to each month),...
Point being, this business man had some of his accounts and policies terminated. That "message" and attempt to threaten to put him out of business, or make his life hell, goes against the grain of a promotion (in a crappy economy BTW), to increase his business.
It goes against capitalism and entrepreneurship. OBTW, what he did was LEGAL. If his ins. co. "X" or bank "Y" dropped him for this promo. he should go elsewhere, and let like minded folks know why.
As far as liability, I'm sure you have a carjacking, gun totin, I've been robbed, gangbanging, steal your shi* clause in your policy, so your covered.
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She said: ‘Let me tell you how important this is, the White House started their morning with a briefing on you. We got a call from Washington, D.C. this morning. They wanted you checked out,” he said.
THIS is what the WH has their focus on??? WTF???
ATF was complaining they couldn't find enough AK's for themselves to send to Mexico.
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ATF was complaining they couldn't find enough AK's for themselves to send to Mexico.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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no weapons has nothing to do with making a political statement( atleast not for me) its strickly a liabilty issue. Also they don't have to come to my place of biz.
The ones handing out the cards aren't necessarily making a political statement either. They are letting you know that you have made it a PITA to do business with you...and a bigger one if your parking lot is posted.
Ohio carry law addresses the by stating that you cannot be held liable for the consequences of posting or not posting your property.
This works for customers, but I think they should not be allowed to post their parking lots or they are depriving their employees of their 2A rights on the way to and from work.
As a hypothetical question: If your business was located in Ohio, would it be correct to assume you would not have it posted?
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It's TAB, I've commented on his mindset before so I will just say his post was predictable.
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The ones handing out the cards aren't necessarily making a political statement either. They are letting you know that you have made it a PITA to do business with you...and a bigger one if your parking lot is posted.
Ohio carry law addresses the by stating that you cannot be held liable for the consequences of posting or not posting your property.
This works for customers, but I think they should not be allowed to post their parking lots or they are depriving their employees of their 2A rights on the way to and from work.
As a hypothetical question: If your business was located in Ohio, would it be correct to assume you would not have it posted?
depends, my workmens comp very expressly forbids my employees from be armed, it says nothing about my custmers, but no one ever comes to our shop, so it does not really matter that much.
I am a big fan of the texas 30.06 law, not only does it say property owners a choice and a legal means to back it up.
A ND, could very easly cost 1 mil, if it was to hit a employee, there have been several storys in the news about how toilets have been shot. Guess what thats atleast a $1000 fix, do you have $1000? how about 1 mil liquid to handle the comp claim of a ND?
When I say 1 mill I'm not talking about even a life endangering hit, a shattered shin bone can cost that np. atleast 100k for the 1st of several surgurys, pay while they are off, rehab, retraining fo thier replacment... etc etc
It will be a comp claim, if they are on the clock, its a comp claim.