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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on October 05, 2011, 09:46:46 PM
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Anyone that has followed the Hank Jr. vs ESPN mess has to be scratching their heads. If you take the time to read the transcript or listen to the actual statement you will fully understand what Hank is saying. And I must say that he is right on with his statement. Next he issues a statement of apology to anyone he may have offended.
#1. There was nothing racist or evil in his comparison! Listen to it and you will hear him make a comparison showing that these two are polar opposites and it is hypocritical (sp?);
#2. It just isn't Hank Jr. to make such a weak statement obviously trying to mend his way with the limp left.
To listen to and read his apology makes me wonder what Ted Nugent would pen if he was trying to write common sense gun control legislation to protect the children >:(
Hank, don't wimp out on us now! We need more people in this nation that are willing to say it like it is!
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I hadn't heard about the apology. He had nothing to apologize for!!
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When you're in the limelight, and a entertainer, actor, politican, or some other well publicized individual, this type of thing is bound to happen sooner or later if you're not careful. Especially with so much portable recording technology surrounding us. You make a totally innocent remark, not meaning to offend anyone, and the media will run wild with it. Sarah Palin has been fighting this since day one, and it seems after the Tuscon / Giffords shooting she has learned to stop being so defensive.
I agree he had nothing to apologise for. But he was also wrong to utilize Hitler in making ANY analogy, regardless of how he meant it. Because it in itself is going to be taken wrong by many, and will come back to haunt you as this has with him. It's one thing for us guys to say this kind of $h!t around here, or at a bar. But it's quite another for a popular, public figure to do it with microphones and cameras turned on. There just was no other way for this to turn out except bad. Much like the Fuzzy Zoeller, "fried chicken" comment he made about Tiger Woods, this is going to wind up costing him a fortune, much like the "Jimmy The Greek" restaurant comment about blacks he made, cost him his job with CBS on "The NFL Today". He wound up losing millions over just one slip of the tongue after a few drinks. If you're white, and you make ANY comment about blacks in a negative light, it's going to turn out bad. Political correctness at it's finest.
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I wonder if it would have been just as big of a flap if he would have said " It's like David Duke playing golf with Farrakhan"?
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He should have been more "bovine" about it.
Cows and buffalo both let the chips fall where they will.
America's gutless submission to political correctness is allowing the enemy to manipulate our very thinking.
Don't say nothing bad about the darky or you're a racist cracker bastard.
And God help you if you call a cheapskate niggardly, better to call him a Jew.
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He should have been more "bovine" about it.
Cows and buffalo both let the chips fall where they will.
America's gutless submission to political correctness is allowing the enemy to manipulate our very thinking.
Don't say nothing bad about the darky or you're a racist cracker bastard.
And God help you if you call a cheapskate niggardly, better to call him a Jew.
I agree. When this kind of crap happens, the best reply is no reply at all. No gas, no fire. The more he comments, the longer they'll hold his ass to the flames.
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I get so tired of hearing people apologize for things they say. Either you meant to say it and have nothing to apologize for, or you should watch your mouth in the first place.
That being said, I think Denis Leary said it best when he said "We're all tuning into gerbils". And George Carlin nailed it with "People want to hear soft language, cause they can't handle reality and the truth".
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I get so tired of hearing people apologize for things they say. Either you meant to say it and have nothing to apologize for, or you should watch your mouth in the first place.
That being said, I think Denis Leary said it best when he said "We're all tuning into gerbils". And George Carlin nailed it with "People want to hear soft language, cause they can't handle reality and the truth".
I don't like PC at all....
But, if your objective is to affect the thinking of an audience, you will achieve more if you can present your views using a vocabulary that will be the least offensive or objectionable to your target group as possible without distorting the view you are promoting.
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A rose is a Rose by any other name.
The same holds true for co*ksuc*ers.
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A rose is a Rose by any other name.
The same holds true for co*ksuc*ers.
That is true. If you only objective is to be naming them, you chose the right terms :D
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Let's review ESPN,.and it's liberal leanings....
Obama's March Madness Bracket was a prime time event.
Paul Azinger (PGA Golfer), criticized BHO, on air, and was "politely reprimanded"...You won't see him back on ESPN...
They threw Rush Limbaugh off the ESPN train years ago for what they ended up agreeing with Rush about regarding Black Quarterbacks in the NFL.
An ESPN commentator, Kenny Mayne talked about ramming cars with McCain/Palin stickers on the bumpers.
He is also a celebrity endorser for "Progressive" Insurance, owned by Peter Lewis, a billlionaire who has donated millions to Moveon.org and other far-left organizations.
They gave Mike Tyson a "pass" when he gave an obscenity filled rant about Sarah Palin's book and VP run with McCain on air.
ESPN's Chris Fowler, called the 55 million Conservatives that voted for BHO were racist. Nov. 2008.
http://wisdomofsoloman.blogspot.com/2011/10/state-run-sports-media-network-removes.html
http://newsbusters.org/node/12238
http://www.flpundit.com/journal/2010/3/11/more-liberal-bias-this-time-from-espn.html
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4459/espn-wimps-out-on-chris-fowler-comments-no-rush-limbaugh-style-apology-just-a-slap-on-the-hand/
etc,....
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http://news.yahoo.com/hank-jr-writes-song-fox-friends-espn-102352579.html
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Hank Williams Jr. is about to have his say.
Williams' has cut a new song "I'll Keep My ...," calling out "Fox & Friends" and ESPN after an interview last week on the Fox News talk show led to the end of his association with the sports network and "Monday Night Football," long home to his "Are you ready for some football?" theme.
He's also scheduled to appear on "The View" and "Hannity" on Tuesday to discuss the uproar that sprung up after he made an analogy that President Barack Obama and House Speaker Rep. John Boehner golfing together was like Nazi leader Adolph Hitler and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu playing a round.
ESPN decided to pull Williams' intro from last Monday's "MNF" telecast after the comments and the move became permanent Thursday when both sides said they'd decided to pull the spot.
Williams wrote the topical third verse of "I'll Keep My ..." when he woke up Friday morning and he and a group of players laid it down in a Nashville studio by Friday afternoon. It could be on iTunes late Monday or early Tuesday.
In the song Williams, son of country music icon Hank Williams, says "Fox & Friends" hosts twisted his words: "So Fox 'n Friends wanna put me down/Ask for my opinion/Twist it all around." He finishes the verse: "Well two can play that gotcha game you'll see."
Early in the song, he says the U.S. is "going down the drain" and says it's becoming "The United Socialist States of America." He mentions keeping "Fox & Friends" and ESPN out of your home toward the end of the song.
Williams' comments last Monday drew unlikely reactions with many commentators and comedians coming to his defense, claiming ESPN was infringing on his right to free speech. His defenders included the left-leaning Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar of "The View" and Jon Stewart of "The Daily Show" and on the other side of the political landscape Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh.
The brouhaha prompted Williams also to start selling "Hank Jr. for President" T-shirts on his website.
Williams' theme song has been part of "MNF" since 1989. The song was a version of his hit "All My Rowdy Friends Are Coming Over Tonight" that he altered to match each week's game. He owns the song and all the rights to it, so ESPN will not be able to use it in any way.
Instead, the network says it will use an intro featuring Hall of Fame running back Barry Sanders and soul singer Jimmy Scott prior to the Chicago Bears at Detroit Lions game Monday night. The introduction will change each week.
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ESPN is owned by Disney. That explains a LOT!
Same reason you will not see a shooting show on ESPN that shows humaniod targets. It's Un-PC BS.
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I'm not getting why he blames Fox when he himself made the comment? Fox doesn't control what comes out of his mouth.
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I'm not getting why he blames Fox when he himself made the comment? Fox doesn't control what comes out of his mouth.
Because he made a reference to polar opposites that they twisted to mean he was calling the Communist in chief a Nazi.
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Because he made a reference to polar opposites that they twisted to mean he was calling the Communist in chief a Nazi.
Here is the actual interview. He made the statement. I didn't see where Fox "twisted" his words. Carlson said he made reference of the President to, "one of the most hated men in the world", (3:08), which he then agreed with by saying, "That is true". His demeanor was very arrogant from the get go. I like the guy, but he did himself in with his own statement. If he's going to stand on it that's fine, then don't blame the network that broadcast it live.
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His new song.... Keep the change!
http://hankjr.com/home/208-free-download-from-hank1
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Country Boy Can Survive...."You can't starve us out, and you can't make us run."...
I'm sure he'll announce an upcoming tour, and guess what?
Thousands and thousands will buy tickets.
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I'm sure he'll announce an upcoming tour, and guess what? Thousands and thousands will buy tickets.
All true. But you know behind the scenes the guy has to regret saying it. 2 decades with Monday Night Football was worth a fortune to him for what he had to do to earn it. To have that all flushed for making one stupid statement has got to hurt.
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All true. But you know behind the scenes the guy has to regret saying it. 2 decades with Monday Night Football was worth a fortune to him for what he had to do to earn it. To have that all flushed for making one stupid statement has got to hurt.
I hope he's not the type to regret it. I remember hearing him in Hammond, La. after he cleaned his act up in the 70's and before he became popular again....quite a concert. It was in the Ritz Theater and he brought the house down.
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All true. But you know behind the scenes the guy has to regret saying it. 2 decades with Monday Night Football was worth a fortune to him for what he had to do to earn it. To have that all flushed for making one stupid statement has got to hurt.
To paraphrase Open Range - There's some things that eat at a man worse than sucking at ESPN's tit.
Especially given what they have allowed on previously. At some point, you gotta draw a line.
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Part of the problem is he is one of those kind of guys who speaks his mind regardless of where he is, or who he's around. About like us sitting around here. The thing is we have nothing to lose if taken to task for it, he does. Kind of like the way you have to watch what you say at work. Certain things can come back to haunt you, or even cost you your job. It's far worse when you're a public entertainer in the limelight, and every word you say is scrutinized.
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That is true billt, he spent 20+ years getting us fired up for MNF. However, he's got what most fly by night hosts do not have.
The ability to perform.
The ability to rally folks.
The ability to sustain the adoration and loyalty of 98% of so called "Southerners"
He also fell face first off a cliff, leaving his face scarred "hence the shades",.....fought addiction, and demons, and "survived",...
He'll be just fine...
I made him see the light,... ;D
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I dont mind what he said. But you cant mention anything about Hitler or Nazis. People want money and its easy to get it when you say you hurt by certain buzz words. So to me that is all it is. I am sure it might of offended the few holocost survivors that may have actually heard it, but the 30 year old lawyer seeing dollar signs in the comment doesnt care.
I agree we need people like Hank just to say it like it is and not apologize for it. With everyone so easily "offended" today we need someone to not be afraid to pay the 1000000 dollars and say what they want.
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Considering how the liberals consistently f*ck Israel in favor of those lazy scumbag Palestinians I doubt any holocaust survivors were offended.
The only ones offended were socialists try to hide BO's agenda.
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I dont mind what he said. But you cant mention anything about Hitler or Nazis. People want money and its easy to get it when you say you hurt by certain buzz words. So to me that is all it is. I am sure it might of offended the few holocost survivors that may have actually heard it, but the 30 year old lawyer seeing dollar signs in the comment doesnt care.
I agree we need people like Hank just to say it like it is and not apologize for it. With everyone so easily "offended" today we need someone to not be afraid to pay the 1000000 dollars and say what they want.
You are correct, Ksail.
I have seen folks object to the use of the word 'euthanasia' because they said it reminded them of the gas chambers used by the NAZIs.
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I have seen folks object to the use of the word 'euthanasia' because they said it reminded them of the gas chambers used by the NAZIs.
I always thought "Euthanasia" was when a boy traveled to Singapore???
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I always thought "Euthanasia" was when a boy traveled to Singapore???
SEXIST!!!
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SEXIST!!!
How is a Youth-In-Asia sexist? ;D
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Because you said boy, not Boy/Girl
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You are correct, Ksail.
I have seen folks object to the use of the word 'euthanasia' because they said it reminded them of the gas chambers used by the NAZIs.
I was in conversation with a Rabbi one time, who spent a considerable amount of time talking about how Jews should not define their Judaism by the Holocaust, that this experience was so negative that to do that was to violate God's law.
Later, when I posited that Jews - especially those embracing the "green" mindset - should consider cremation as an "earth-friendly" alternative to expensive burials, he did not quote Scripture about our bodies being a gift from God or that we should not knowingly destroy our bodies per God's law, nothing like that. No, he actually said - it was too soon after the crematoria of the extermination camps to consider that.
When I reminded him of his earlier comment, all I got was a dirty look.
Just cuz they feel don't mean they think!
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Haz should send Hank a PM .
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I was in conversation with a Rabbi one time, who spent a considerable amount of time talking about how Jews should not define their Judaism by the Holocaust, that this experience was so negative that to do that was to violate God's law.
Later, when I posited that Jews - especially those embracing the "green" mindset - should consider cremation as an "earth-friendly" alternative to expensive burials, he did not quote Scripture about our bodies being a gift from God or that we should not knowingly destroy our bodies per God's law, nothing like that. No, he actually said - it was too soon after the crematoria of the extermination camps to consider that.
When I reminded him of his earlier comment, all I got was a dirty look.
Just cuz they feel don't mean they think!
Many Christians have concerns about cremation.
From what I have found, it seems to stem from a literal and illogical interpretation of Isaiah 26:19 which mentions rising from dust or the earth.
There is not much left of a corpse buried for thousands of years but it is expected to be restored and raised. Maybe cremated remains will be beyond God's ability to restore them?
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"Ashes to ashes and dust to dust" when I'm done with the vessel I don't care what they do with it.
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"Ashes to ashes and dust to dust" when I'm done with the vessel I don't care what they do with it.
There are folks who worry they aren't done with it, as a literal interpretation of the Bible might lead one to believe that their physical corpse will be risen. Not much will be there if you bury it, less if it is cremated.
I used to wonder if it you lived to old age, you would be resurrected in your 85 year old worn out body to live in for eternity and maybe there was a reason "the good die young".
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There are folks who worry they aren't done with it, as a literal interpretation of the Bible might lead one to believe that their physical corpse will be risen. Not much will be there if you bury it, less if it is cremated.
I used to wonder if it you lived to old age, you would be resurrected in your 85 year old worn out body to live in for eternity and maybe there was a reason "the good die young".
Cremation is cheaper...fine with me. No offense to those in the industry but I wouldn't give a funeral home a nickle of my money to plant my ass. You can pre-arrange for your own cremation here in MA for under a grand.
I've donated my body to the local medical school just like my parents did. We got my Dad back about a year later in a UPS parcel. Didn't cost anyone a dime.
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Cremation is cheaper...fine with me. No offense to those in the industry but I wouldn't give a funeral home a nickle of my money to plant my ass. You can pre-arrange for your own cremation here in MA for under a grand.
I've donated my body to the local medical school just like my parents did. We got my Dad back about a year later in a UPS parcel. Didn't cost anyone a dime.
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That's what what my grandma did, and my old man has that in in his living will. Although he has vowed that since the body is to go to the University of Miami, I am to have a Florida Gators logo tattooed on his ass before he is delivered ;D. I will be following suite. Funny (if you like black comedy) story is that when UM sent back grandma's urn for the internment the funeral home folks didn't show up to bury her. Dad and my Uncle Tom went to Wallmart and bought a post hole digger and laid her to rest. Straight up redneck. You've got to love it. ;D :'( Me, I figure that if God can judge my immortal soul and make the heavens and the earth he can figure out what to do with my cremated remains. If he can't I've been wasting a lot of Sunday mornings. ;)
FQ13
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Cremation is cheaper...fine with me. No offense to those in the industry but I wouldn't give a funeral home a nickle of my money to plant my ass. You can pre-arrange for your own cremation here in MA for under a grand.
I've donated my body to the local medical school just like my parents did. We got my Dad back about a year later in a UPS parcel. Didn't cost anyone a dime.
LOL! Good Tuesday morning to you sir!
We buried my Grandpa, in a sheet metal box he made for the occasion :), on my Grandma's plot a couple of years ago, 5 or 6 years after he died because the B#$@* he married couldn't stand the thought that he wanted to be buried with his wife. But she didn't have a problem sending her son and grandson on a Mexican vacation two weeks after the funeral.
We did finally get the family mineral rights to the homestead up in ND, helped my parents, aunts and uncles out quite a bit. She had tried to give them to her nephew because Medicare was coming after her assets.
I got my grandpas Snap-On roller circa 1950s at that time, spent a weekend with WD-40 and a couple of rolls of shop towels cleaning it and talking to him.
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When my dad passed in 1970 the funeral home folks assured us that, so long as the seal on his burial vault wasn't broken, he would look the same in 1000 years as he did the day he was buried. Not sure how one verifies that guarantee, but whatever.
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When my dad passed in 1970 the funeral home folks assured us that, so long as the seal on his burial vault wasn't broken, he would look the same in 1000 years as he did the day he was buried. Not sure how one verifies that guarantee, but whatever.
Doesn't sound likely.....and, knowing the process of embalming, I don't see cremation as much of a difference.
I'd prefer to be cremated, but I've always wanted a tombstone. From parts of this thread, it sounds like the ashes can be interned?..would that be with a head stone?
I want one because, years ago, someone asked me what I would want on it and this popped into my mind "Don't Laugh, You Could be Next".
Felt it might bring a bright spot to those visiting their deceased loved ones.
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I want my headstone to say, "See, I told you I was sick." ;D
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Anyone that has followed the Hank Jr. vs ESPN mess has to be scratching their heads. If you take the time to read the transcript or listen to the actual statement you will fully understand what Hank is saying. And I must say that he is right on with his statement. Next he issues a statement of apology to anyone he may have offended.
#1. There was nothing racist or evil in his comparison! Listen to it and you will hear him make a comparison showing that these two are polar opposites and it is hypocritical (sp?);
#2. It just isn't Hank Jr. to make such a weak statement obviously trying to mend his way with the limp left.
To listen to and read his apology makes me wonder what Ted Nugent would pen if he was trying to write common sense gun control legislation to protect the children >:(
Hank, don't wimp out on us now! We need more people in this nation that are willing to say it like it is!
The only thing I disagree with is the notion that Obama and Boehner are polar opposites. IMO they are just from two different wings of the one party we have in this country, that being the government party.
I did think it was terribly weak for him to apologize at all. You would think that Hank Jr., of all celebrities, would stick by what he said and would tell anyone who didn't like to kiss his a*s.
I have always been more of a Hank Sr. fan. I like Hank, Jr., but I like Hank III most of all.
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When my dad passed in 1970 the funeral home folks assured us that, so long as the seal on his burial vault wasn't broken, he would look the same in 1000 years as he did the day he was buried. Not sure how one verifies that guarantee, but whatever.
Trust me big boy - You never want to open a box that has been sealed shut. It may not have changed over decades, or it may be nasty after a couple weeks.
Mr. Bogan - If I had the time and space I would go into the fallacy of the "cheaper" thing. If I tried I would make FQ look like he was a condenser for Readers Digest, and I would open a terminology can of worms that would make the whole magazine vs. clip issue look like small potatoes.
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I have always been more of a Hank Sr. fan. I like Hank, Jr., but I like Hank III most of all.
And here sir, we are in total agreement. Post some stuff on the "Songs to Help in Troubled Times" thread.
FQ13
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Trust me big boy - You never want to open a box that has been sealed shut. It may not have changed over decades, or it may be nasty after a couple weeks.
Mr. Bogan - If I had the time and space I would go into the fallacy of the "cheaper" thing. If I tried I would make FQ look like he was a condenser for Readers Digest, and I would open a terminology can of worms that would make the whole magazine vs. clip issue look like small potatoes.
Sorry M58, I have no clue what you are talking about.
Unless the comment refers to TIMOTHY"S post.
As for me, it will be cheaper, I don't care if they just kick the carcass into a ditch when I'm done with it. ;D
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Sorry M58, I have no clue what you are talking about.
Unless the comment refers to TIMOTHY"S post.
As for me, it will be cheaper, I don't care if they just kick the carcass into a ditch when I'm done with it. ;D
Sorry sir! All you T's run together in my mind when I'm reading multiple days on multiple pages :-[
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I figured it was cuz you're old ;D