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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: alfsauve on October 12, 2011, 08:13:09 PM
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Just getting ready to sell my Winchester Model 77 magazine fed auto-loader and I realized..............well you take a look at the cover of the instruction manual. (From 1955)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5dfY78GYIsE/TpY4LZokGPI/AAAAAAAAmKM/pGbOqLlq_Gc/s512/Win77Instructions.jpg)
I mean if "Winchester" can say it.
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Just cause some pansy in the art department duzen't know the diff....
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This debate is getting silly. WE know the detachable box which fits into the bottom, side, or top of a firearm is called a MAGAZINE. However calling it a CLIP has entered into the lexicon and should be accepted. Also this box does "clip" into the firearm.
Pecos
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Well this is from 1955, so the mis-use has been around for a while.
I think as Haz said, it was the art department who did it. The word "clip" isn't found inside in the instructions, which would have been written by someone more technical.
I don't think anyone would refer to the M77 magazine and say, "clip it in". "Slide" is more like it. There's a tab on the back of the mag that has to line up with a groove in front of the trigger guard and you slide it in place. Had this model caught on, who knows, the slang for magazine might well have been "slide".
In case you're wondering why the M77 didn't become the 10/22 of it's day? Plastic. The gun was easy to disassemble, including removing the barrel. Innovative left hand bolt. Good heft and feel. Adjustable trigger. But the whole trigger guard was one piece plastic and was looked up with disdain by the gun world in 1955.
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This debate is getting silly. WE know the detachable box which fits into the bottom, side, or top of a firearm is called a MAGAZINE. However calling it a CLIP has entered into the lexicon and should be accepted. Also this box does "clip" into the firearm.
Pecos
What if you load the magazine of your M1 with clips because it happens to be the only way to do it? We don' t have a lot of issues with terminology there, but there is the M-16/AR-15 issue: We load our gun with a magazine, but many people also load their magazines with clips. What do you do if a person asks for a clip when loading their gun?
Regardless of what the person that is not properly educated believes or what the person that just doesn't care says, words have meaning that makes a difference!
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What if you load the magazine of your M1 with clips because it happens to be the only way to do it? We don' t have a lot of issues with terminology there, but there is the M-16/AR-15 issue: We load our gun with a magazine, but many people also load their magazines with clips. What do you do if a person asks for a clip when loading their gun?
Regardless of what the person that is not properly educated believes or what the person that just doesn't care says, words have meaning that makes a difference!
Exactly!
I get tired of hearing "you know what I meant". No, I didn't! Your communication was not clear and precise.
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I don't know why this causes panties to bunch up, but it sure seems to.
Here's a simple rule: CLIP yer coupon from yer MAGAZINE. Then take it to WallyWorld an' buy yer groceries. Sheesh!
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This debate is getting silly. WE know the detachable box which fits into the bottom, side, or top of a firearm is called a MAGAZINE. However calling it a CLIP has entered into the lexicon and should be accepted. Also this box does "clip" into the firearm.
Pecos
I'd hate to buy a dozen clips for my M1 so I could reload often and quickly and open the box and find they had sent 12 replacement magazines.
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Stirred the pot on this one didn't I? Order clips for your M1 and get magazines? My point exactly! That's a bit far fetched. This is what I meant about the debate getting silly.
By the by, you all want to stress the importance of words? How about really reading some of the posts in this and other forums. Try checking the in correct usage of similar sounding words or the spelling of same or (one of my favorites) "boolits".
Put it to rest, guys. You'll never change how people refer to those things that hold the "boolits". OOPS, those aren't "boolits" those are cartridges, sorry.
Pecos,
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M1 Garands, have always had en bloc "clips"...Not called properly by any other name. ::)
M1 Carbines take "mags"....
Revolvers are not reloaded with half moon "mags",....They are also "clips"...
Same with "strippers" ,....(not those kind),....they are clips...
We all know the difference,....and the "corrections" (I can't help myself),.....happens regularly....
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/1175728169418.jpg)
;D
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That's not a magzine, it's a catalog. Call it by it's right name.
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Seems to me that one the major firearms manufacturers used a "C" designation in some of their magazine fed rifles Model Numbers with the "C" denoting clip. I think it was for a removable magazine as opposed to an internal fixed magazine.
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Everyone here that has read my spiel about "ignorant" versus "stupid" knows that I agree using the correct word is important to accurately express thoughts and idea's.
That being said, If the manufacturers themselves use the words interchangeably (at least as far back as the M-1 carbine's "Banana clip" )
It seems to me that the makers should know what their parts are called.
Which renders this whole debate, where otherwise knowledgeable people are arguing over clip or magazine, a ridiculous time waster.
Besides, you're all wrong any way, the box is a clip that inserts into a "well" type magazine. Same idea as the Garand.
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Sure looks like a mag to me...
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I don't know why this causes panties to bunch up, but it sure seems to.
This whole "clip" vs. "magazine" issue spiked with the introduction of the Internet, and so much printed word. Personally, hearing or seeing someone calling a shotgun a "shotty" irritates me far more than someone slipping and calling a magazine a "clip".
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Personally I have more important things to worry about.If some people want to use the wrong terminology let them,they can look ignorant all they want,us guys know better.Right now I'm going through a magazine,going to clip an article about a stripper. ;D ;)
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Everyone here that has read my spiel about "ignorant" versus "stupid" knows that I agree using the correct word is important to accurately express thoughts and idea's.
Now this thread is a good example of Tom's spiel.
If you use the wrong terminology for magazine or clip because you don't know the correct definitions and usage, you are ignorant.
If you learned the correct terminology, but continue to use the wrong terms because you can't keep them straight or are to careless and lazy to think before you speak, you are stupid.
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Personally I have more important things to worry about.If some people want to use the wrong terminology let them,they can look ignorant all they want,us guys know better.Right now I'm going through a magazine,going to clip an article about a stripper. ;D ;)
WOW, You really do have higher priorities ! ;D
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Now this thread is a good example of Tom's spiel.
If you use the wrong terminology for magazine or clip because you don't know the correct definitions and usage, you are ignorant.
If you learned the correct terminology, but continue to use the wrong terms because you can't keep them straight or are to careless and lazy to think before you speak, you are stupid.
Has anyone ever heard the term "clip" instead of "magazine" and not known what the person was referring to? And it's TOO careless and lazy, not "to". Point being we can all be experts at picking the fly $h!t out of the pepper. What does it prove?
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Has anyone ever heard the term "clip" instead of "magazine" and not known what the person was referring to? And it's TOO careless and lazy, not "to". Point being we can all be experts at picking the fly $h!t out of the pepper. What does it prove?
I'm stealing that ;D
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Has anyone ever heard the term "clip" instead of "magazine" and not known what the person was referring to? And it's TOO careless and lazy, not "to". Point being we can all be experts at picking the fly $h!t out of the pepper. What does it prove?
Oh..I agree with you. I do know the difference and have never failed to discern what they meant even if the ambiguity might be present.
That still leaves them stupid.
P.S. The value of picking the fly $h!t out of pepper depends upon how much you enjoy eating fly $h!t, or, at least, how much of it you can tolerate eating.
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One time I was talking to a guy at work and I said something about a banana clip and he corrected me, but banana magazine just sounds wrong so I don't say it. Otherwise I try to use the "correct" terminology even though a lot of firearms manufacturers don't, which makes me wonder if clip is also correct when referring to an ammunition feeding device. Who decides what the definition is that everyone should use? Is it a magazine if, and only if, it has a spring in it?
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That still leaves them stupid.
With all that we have going on in this country at the moment, I'll reserve calling someone stupid who is far more deserving. God only knows we have enough better examples to choose from!
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With all that we have going on in this country at the moment, I'll reserve calling someone stupid who is far more deserving. God only knows we have enough better examples to choose from!
I'll have to agree with Bill on this one, nowadays the clip/magazine issue is so far down the stupid list as to verge on smart.
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With all that we have going on in this country at the moment, I'll reserve calling someone stupid who is far more deserving. God only knows we have enough better examples to choose from!
Well, I'll agree with you and Tom..... They make the cut, as long as they put the right end in first.
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Was announced on the evening news that the world population will soon pass 7 billion. The lucky? baby will probably be born in India. There the lucky little kid can join the other 6 or 7 billion people over there in abject poverty for the rest of his/her life. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, or maybe the hives. Hoof#$%ing ray.l