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Clip or Magazine
« on: October 12, 2011, 08:13:09 PM »
Just getting ready to sell my Winchester Model 77 magazine fed auto-loader and I realized..............well you take a look at the cover of the instruction manual.  (From 1955)




I mean if "Winchester" can say it.

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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2011, 08:35:15 PM »
Just cause some pansy in the art department duzen't know the diff....
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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2011, 09:28:31 PM »
This debate is getting silly. WE know the detachable box which fits into the bottom, side, or top of a firearm is called a MAGAZINE. However calling it a CLIP has entered into the lexicon and should be accepted. Also this box does "clip" into the firearm.

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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 05:27:14 AM »
Well this is from 1955, so the mis-use has been around for a while.   

I think as Haz said, it was the art department who did it.   The word "clip" isn't found inside in the instructions, which would have been written by someone more technical.

I don't think anyone would refer to the M77 magazine and say, "clip it in".   "Slide" is more like it.  There's a tab on the back of the mag that has to line up with a groove in front of the trigger guard and you slide it in place.  Had this model caught on, who knows, the slang for magazine might well have been "slide".

In case you're wondering why the M77 didn't become the 10/22 of it's day?   Plastic.    The gun was easy to disassemble, including removing the barrel.  Innovative left hand bolt.  Good heft and feel.  Adjustable trigger.  But the whole trigger guard was one piece plastic and was looked up with disdain by the gun world in 1955.



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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 07:24:48 AM »
Quote from: Pecos Bill on October 12, 2011, 09:28:31 PM
This debate is getting silly. WE know the detachable box which fits into the bottom, side, or top of a firearm is called a MAGAZINE. However calling it a CLIP has entered into the lexicon and should be accepted. Also this box does "clip" into the firearm.

Pecos

What if you load the magazine of your M1 with clips because it happens to be the only way to do it?  We don' t have a lot of issues with terminology there, but there is the M-16/AR-15 issue:  We load our gun with a magazine, but many people also load their magazines with clips.  What do you do if a person asks for a clip when loading their gun?

Regardless of what the person that is not properly educated believes or what the person that just doesn't care says, words have meaning that makes a difference!
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Re: Clip or Magazine
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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 07:29:43 AM »
Quote from: m58 on October 13, 2011, 07:24:48 AM
What if you load the magazine of your M1 with clips because it happens to be the only way to do it?  We don' t have a lot of issues with terminology there, but there is the M-16/AR-15 issue:  We load our gun with a magazine, but many people also load their magazines with clips.  What do you do if a person asks for a clip when loading their gun?

Regardless of what the person that is not properly educated believes or what the person that just doesn't care says, words have meaning that makes a difference!

Exactly!

I get tired of hearing "you know what I meant".  No, I didn't!  Your communication was not clear and precise.
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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 07:42:52 AM »
I don't know why this causes panties to bunch up, but it sure seems to.  

Here's a simple rule:  CLIP yer coupon from yer MAGAZINE.  Then take it to WallyWorld an' buy yer groceries.  Sheesh!
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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 02:41:21 PM »
Quote from: Pecos Bill on October 12, 2011, 09:28:31 PM
This debate is getting silly. WE know the detachable box which fits into the bottom, side, or top of a firearm is called a MAGAZINE. However calling it a CLIP has entered into the lexicon and should be accepted. Also this box does "clip" into the firearm.

Pecos

I'd hate to buy a dozen clips for my M1 so I could reload  often and quickly and open the box and find they had sent 12 replacement magazines.

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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 06:35:35 PM »
Stirred the pot on this one didn't I? Order clips for your M1 and get magazines? My point exactly! That's a bit far fetched. This is what I meant about the debate getting silly.

By the by, you all want to stress the importance of words? How about really reading some of the posts in this and other forums. Try checking the in correct usage of similar sounding words or the spelling of same or (one of my favorites) "boolits".

Put it to rest, guys. You'll never change how people refer to those things that hold the "boolits". OOPS, those aren't "boolits" those are cartridges, sorry.

Pecos,
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Re: Clip or Magazine
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2011, 07:00:07 PM »
M1 Garands,  have always had en bloc "clips"...Not called properly by any other name. ::)

M1 Carbines take "mags"....

Revolvers are not reloaded with half moon "mags",....They are also "clips"...

Same with "strippers"  ,....(not those kind),....they are clips...

We all know the difference,....and the "corrections" (I can't help myself),.....happens regularly....



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