The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Solus on October 17, 2011, 08:27:23 AM
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Taxation Without Representation was a big issues in the founding of this country and the American Revolution.
How will Everything Without Representation go over and where might it lead?
From a news story.
Thousands of fraud cases just 'tip of iceberg'
Minnesota Majority reported that its investigations of fraud allegations arising from the 2008 general election in the state so far have resulted in 113 convictions. Another 200 or so cases are being processed or are pending but might not be completed because the statute of limitations expires next month, three years after the election.
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And a stunning 2,800 or more cases cannot be prosecuted because of the wording in the state law that essentially requires voter fraud participants to admit they knew what they were doing was illegal in order for a conviction to be obtained, the organization said.
Full article here: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=355461
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Is Voter Fraud Rampant? .... Well BHo bought the election - you figure it out. He will do it again too - Four more years & we are gone!!!
You must act now - do not be lulled into thinking 2012 will fix it. We'll be lucky if there is a 2012 election; much less an honest one.
Be prepared.
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Is voter fraud rampant? The answer is easy to find. Just listen to how loud the squeals are when something is done to stop it!
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Yes, and it will continue to be as long as the Dems are allowed to define ID and citizenship verification as some how infringing on the Constitution they otherwise ignore.
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Actually, I was aware that it is rampant.
I was really asking where is it going to lead.
For me, I feel voter fraud should be treated as Treason because it weakens or destroys the citizen's ability to change the system with non-violent means. Thus it leads to and mandates the overthrow of the established government by force.
On a local level, like Chicago, it is viewed as less of a threat and some reluctant acceptance.
But when it is promoted on the national level by organizations like ACORN or any of it's AKAs, and the New Black Panthers the threat is pervasive and endangers the future of the country.
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Actually, I was aware that it is rampant.
I was really asking where is it going to lead.
For me, I feel voter fraud should be treated as Treason because it weakens or destroys the citizen's ability to change the system with non-violent means. Thus it leads to and mandates the overthrow of the established government by force.
On a local level, like Chicago, it is viewed as less of a threat and some reluctant acceptance.
But when it is promoted on the national level by organizations like ACORN or any of it's AKAs, and the New Black Panthers the threat is pervasive and endangers the future of the country.
The only way it could Constitutionally be classed as treason would be under the "adhering to our enemies" clause.
After all, the whole purpose of the Cold War was the conflict between international communism and Capitalism.
By that definition the entire Dem party is guilty of treason.
But we have lost that one so it doesn't matter.
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Is voter fraud rampant? Not a chance! What you all don't understand is we are now using the Richard Daley method of voting. I refer, of course, to "vote early and vote often". Voter fraud? No way.
Pecos
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Yes, it is very rampant. I highly suggest the documentary that aired on HBO a couple years ago entitled "Hacking Democracy". As long as Diebold voting machines are used we will never have a remotely honest election.
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I know that it is against my nature to be contrary. ;) However I will suggest this argument. Voter fraud is a freaking red herring. Conservatives always bitch when the previously non-voting public (blacks, young people, the poor) unexpectedly show up. In fairness the Dems bitched when evangelicals started doing the same thing in the seventies and eighties.
What I suggest its that its BS. The real scandal is how few people actually do vote. Not one of our last four Presidents won a majority of eligible or even registered voters. The guy with his finger on the button has about a 25-40% endorsement from those eligible to vote. Its far worse in off year elections for Congress, and by year elections for state office where turnout is often below 30% are even worse. Screw voter fraud. Its a bad thing, but a few thousand bogus ballots are peanuts compared to the millions of ballots never cast. I am in favor of mandatory voting if it includes the option of a null ballot (ie. "none of the above"). If the null ballots win, a new election is scheduled. I think the fact that folks do not care enough about their country to cast a ballot is a greater danger to the republic than fraud that has a marginal impact. I like the system in Greece. If you don't vote your passport is cancelled until the next election. You live with consequences of your own inaction. It will never happen here, but it is poetic justice. ;D
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Similar to the European "Confidence" votes, it can be called any time , if the regime loses they have X amount of time to hold elections .
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I like the "None of the above" ballot entry....have wished for one since Nixon and McGovern back in 1972.
Not so sure about encouraging anyone to go vote.
My thinking is that if they don't care enough to go on their own, they don't care enough to understand the issues or the candidates. They are likely to just vote on the recommendations of the group that pushed them into it.
Also, the Dick Daley method should be "Vote early, often and forever." Can't leave out the deceased.
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Also, the Dick Daley method should be "Vote early, often and forever." Can't leave out the deceased.
They're not deceased. They're die-hard Democrats!
Loyal as hell, that group.
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.. but a few thousand bogus ballots are peanuts compared to the millions of ballots never cast.
Washington State's governer was decided by voter fraud in King County 6 or 8 years ago, John Ashcroft lost his bid for reelection due to voter fraud. The state of Oregon has a 75% participation rate but we vote by mail and its riddled with fraud. How can any outsider overcome voter fraud like we have in Oregon? The Tea Party has hardly made a dent locally dispite the huge swing in Congress this past election.
From a thousand feet it may look insignificant but when elections are decided by less than 250 votes it matters.
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Washington State's governer was decided by voter fraud in King County 6 or 8 years ago, John Ashcroft lost his bid for reelection due to voter fraud. The state of Oregon has a 75% participation rate but we vote by mail and its riddled with fraud. How can any outsider overcome voter fraud like we have in Oregon? The Tea Party has hardly made a dent locally dispite the huge swing in Congress this past election.
From a thousand feet it may look insignificant but when elections are decided by less than 250 votes it matters.
And it isn't just a few thousand votes. It was 2800 in one state and that was just the ones they knew.
And I don't thinks this practice is going to peter out.....it will be growing as large as they will allow. Hang anyone convicted of voter fraud, and don't use laws that require them to confess, and the problem will be stopped, if by no other way than by attrition.
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Washington State's governer was decided by voter fraud in King County 6 or 8 years ago, John Ashcroft lost his bid for reelection due to voter fraud. The state of Oregon has a 75% participation rate but we vote by mail and its riddled with fraud. How can any outsider overcome voter fraud like we have in Oregon? The Tea Party has hardly made a dent locally dispite the huge swing in Congress this past election.
From a thousand feet it may look insignificant but when elections are decided by less than 250 votes it matters.
This method seemed to work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
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This method seemed to work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
The history we should have read in Junior high but never did... sad...
Good stuff, thanks Tom.
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The history we should have read in Junior high but never did... sad...
Good stuff, thanks Tom.
I did .
I was supposed to be doing algebra, but I read it while in school ;D
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Oh yeah. Battle of Athens. Go JPFO!!!
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I did .
I was supposed to be doing algebra, but I read it while in school ;D
No way, you read history instead of doing algebra? I just did it all at school so I didn't have to do it at home, I HATED homework (in fact I'm suppose to be doing it right now, don't tell my wife ;) ).
The battle of Athens reminded me of a movie as I read it, Roadhouse anyone?
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No way, you read history instead of doing algebra? I just did it all at school so I didn't have to do it at home, I HATED homework (in fact I'm suppose to be doing it right now, don't tell my wife ;) ).
The battle of Athens reminded me of a movie as I read it, Roadhouse anyone?
I read the Iliad and the Oddessy (f*cking Spellcheck letting me down here ) for fun, and did a Book report on Solzhenityn's "Gulag Archipelago" , all 3 volumes :o
I'd stay up till 3 AM reading, cram to get the homework done, then skip school the next day cuz you have to sleep sometime.
Roadhouse was the Patrick Swayze, Sam Elliot one. Walking Tall was pretty much the same idea.
Corrupt Southern Sheriffs were a popular subject, look at "Dukes of Hazzard"
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I read the Iliad and the Oddessy (f*cking Spellcheck letting me down here ) for fun, and did a Book report on Solzhenityn's "Gulag Archipelago" , all 3 volumes
I'd stay up till 3 AM reading, cram to get the homework done, then skip school the next day cuz you have to sleep sometime.
Over achiever! But seriously what would poses a young man to do such things and then become a machinist? :o
Roadhouse was the Patrick Swayze, Sam Elliot one. Walking Tall was pretty much the same idea.
Corrupt Southern Sheriffs were a popular subject, look at "Dukes of Hazzard"
What is this "Dukes of Hazzard" you talk about? I have never heard of such things? But I suddenly have the urge to go buy a '69 Charger, paint it orange, drive like I used to and start shooting compound bows with lit dynamite taped to the arrows. I swear I could draw that car blindfolded and I can't draw. My first car was a '70 Roadrunner with a 383 4-speed, same motor Cooter checked the oil on.... miss that car...
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Over achiever! But seriously what would poses a young man to do such things and then become a machinist? :o
What is this "Dukes of Hazzard" you talk about? I have never heard of such things? But I suddenly have the urge to go buy a '69 Charger, paint it orange, drive like I used to and start shooting compound bows with lit dynamite taped to the arrows. I swear I could draw that car blindfolded and I can't draw. My first car was a '70 Roadrunner with a 383 4-speed, same motor Cooter checked the oil on.... miss that car...
My summer job, and then after the Marines, was logging and building with my Dad.
Factory work was awesome, warm in the winter, dry in the rain. ;D
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My summer job, and then after the Marines, was logging and building with my Dad.
Factory work was awesome, warm in the winter, dry in the rain. ;D
Those are the same reasons I became a machinist but instead of logging I was working in Environmental Clean-up, burning dirt.
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Those are the same reasons I became a machinist but instead of logging I was working in Environmental Clean-up, burning dirt.
The icing on the cake was that from 13 - 24 the old bas*ard never gave me a raise.
So I wound up at T/C for $.50 cents an hour less ::)
That changed after the first 60 days though ;D
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The icing on the cake was that from 13 - 24 the old bas*ard never gave me a raise.
So I wound up at T/C for $.50 cents an hour less ::)
That changed after the first 60 days though ;D
Sounds like my grandpa. My dad and uncle, 16 & 15,worked with him logging up in Montana for an entire summer for 4 pairs of pants, shirts, underwear and socks. That was the last year they worked for him, 1961-I think.
I started out scrubbing toilets at the trade school I attended until one of the instructors found out and he made a call. $8.50/hour in 1995 working in the Deburr dept, better than scrubbing toilets anyday, especially in the Auto shop! Just because you look like a greasy gorilla doesn't mean you don't have to aim!
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What was that BS about illegal aliens do the jobs American's won't ?