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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on January 07, 2012, 10:33:29 AM
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/energy_update
In other words, nearly 3/4ths of those polled did not give a crap about Fat Albert's favorite cash cow.
HEY< HEY HEY !
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I believe in GW...we had a foot of it on the ground Tuesday!
Richard
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it got up the the mid-50s here yesterday when it should probably be in the 20s. I believe in global warming but think it occurs naturally.
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it got up the the mid-50s here yesterday when it should probably be in the 20s. I believe in global warming but think it occurs naturally.
If it is happening, it is far from being caused by humans.
Found a graph of temperatures for the past 1000 years or so...
The graph Big Al used was part of it. His was the part where the graph started moving up after bottoming out during what has been termed the Mini-Ice Age.
The portion of the graph preceding his his showed the temps falling from a high back in the 1200 area...not sure exactly... and if was falling from a temperature high than the projected high temps for the next 400 or so years.
Don't know how they did it, but those folks back in 1200 or so got there emissions under control and cooled thing down for the next 700 years.
We need that technology today.
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Here is the diddy one more time from my friends at Minnesotans for Global Warming (M4GW)!
I thought I would share this one, too.
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If it is happening, it is far from being caused by humans.
Found a graph of temperatures for the past 1000 years or so...
The graph Big Al used was part of it. His was the part where the graph started moving up after bottoming out during what has been termed the Mini-Ice Age.
The portion of the graph preceding his his showed the temps falling from a high back in the 1200 area...not sure exactly... and if was falling from a temperature high than the projected high temps for the next 400 or so years.
Don't know how they did it, but those folks back in 1200 or so got there emissions under control and cooled thing down for the next 700 years.
We need that technology today.
Every time the global warming and climate change debates, or better known as GOP bashing parties, come around I refer to the Field Museum in Chicago and a couple of public university museums I have been to:
According to their research we are in the world's third ice age, and we have been coming out of it for several thousand years already. Each ice age has been less cold and shorter in duration. I never deny that humans may be adding to it, but the scientific community's own specialists that have followed this point out that it is a natural cycle, and this warming trend started before mankind was a contributing factor (before mankind if you believe in God and creation - young earth).
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GW was summed up for me by 2 articles I saw in one copy of Popular Science back around 02.
The first article told how the far North was being destroyed even glacier X in Greenland had receded 7 miles in an unprecedented melting.
The second article was about a bonanza of Viking relics found at a new site uncovered by glacial retreat.
It was the same glacier.
Here's something else to consider, The first ones to track and record world wide weather conditions were the British Admiralty.
They have been doing it for less than 250 years.
Any graph that tracks earlier than that is useless since scientists make their judgements based on the chemical break down of Ice samples.
Great, hi tech, but BS, since we do not have a record of potential variables such as volcanoes and other events that could skew the readings.
So basicly they are trying to predict multi thousand year cycles based on 250 years worth of varifiable data.
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GW was summed up for me by 2 articles I saw in one copy of Popular Science back around 02.
The first article told how the far North was being destroyed even glacier X in Greenland had receded 7 miles in an unprecedented melting.
The second article was about a bonanza of Viking relics found at a new site uncovered by glacial retreat.
It was the same glacier.
Whenever I point out the 400 year old silver (or copper, I forget) mine rediscovered in northern Europe, complete with hand tools left in place, the place that has just appeared from beneath the melting glacier, the ranter just glazes over and "yeah, well, (obfuscate...)". Kinda reminds me of a certain segment of the current political debate...
Whatever.. Hug a tree.. Dance around a fire and do peyote.. Just leave me alone about it... I'm tired of arguing with a fence post.
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Watchman, you have to warn us. I laughed so hard at that video I thought I'd done myself an injury. Classic!.
FQ13
PS post it in "Songs to help in troubled times" so it doesn't get lost.
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I read on some other forum that in Siberia, I think it was, that there is methane trapped under the glaciers or the ice.
As the ice melts away, more methane gets released into the atmosphere to act as green house gases.
Anywhooo....to think that it is anthrogenic....errr ...people caused global warming....it is well...just a ruse. it is a way to take from the haves of the world and give it to the have nots. wealth redistribution (aka "socialism") on a global scale.
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I read on some other forum that in Siberia, I think it was, that there is methane trapped under the glaciers or the ice.
That's correct! I saw it on a thing I watched late one night on PBS last week. Essentially trapped decayed matter from millions of years trapped beneath the perma frost. When the perma frost started to thaw, it released the methane. A Russian scientist decided to experiment by allowing horses and livestock back in a controlled area to repack the perma frost and it temporally corrected the phenomena.
The rest of the program was drivel and voodoo science of gloom and doom!
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Found a link to a write up on Global Temps and a graph from 2500 BC to 2030 AD. You can decide how valid the "science" is.
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm
Until recently, global temperatures were more than a degree Fahrenheit warmer when compared to the overall 20th Century mean. From August of 2007 through February of 2008, the Earth’s mean reading dropped to near the 200-year average temperature of 57 degrees. Since that time, the mean reading has been fluctuating. (See Long-Term Chart Below.)
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But, we should remember, that the Earth’s coldest periods have usually followed excessive warmth. Such was the case when our planet moved from the Medieval Warm Period between 900 and 1300 A.D. to the sudden ‘Little Ice Age,’ which peaked in the 17th Century.
By the end of this 21st Century, a big cool down may occur that could ultimately lead to expanding glaciers worldwide, even in the mid-latitudes. We could possibly see even a new Great Ice Age. Based on long-term climatic data, these major ice ages have recurred about every 11,500 years. Well, you guessed it. The last extensive ice age was approximately 11,500 years ago, so we may be due. Again, only time will tell.
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After all the cover ups and bad science that was put out, how can anyone with any sense take this stuff seriously?
An Inconvenient Truth was anything but truth!
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After all the cover ups and bad science that was put out, how can anyone with any sense take this stuff seriously?
An Inconvenient Truth was anything but truth!
You mean to say if some folks misuse "science", you will no longer trust any science in that area?
Me, I prefer a view that looks at the temp changes as trends/cause effect events over a long period of time rather than one that makes predictions based on very recent history and says the cause is human activity.
I particularly like it when the long view has the possibility of a Great Ice Age instead of global warming based upon long term trends.
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You mean to say if some folks misuse "science", you will no longer trust any science in that area?
Me, I prefer a view that looks at the temp changes as trends/cause effect events over a long period of time rather than one that makes predictions based on very recent history and says the cause is human activity.
I particularly like it when the long view has the possibility of a Great Ice Age instead of global warming based upon long term trends.
Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!
The problem here is that our kids are being taught bad science and believing everything their liberal professors are telling them. Try and convince a man of science he's wrong! It's nearly impossible...
There is an agenda in the lefty science community!