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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: santahog on July 18, 2012, 01:54:33 PM
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This turns my stomach.
It also makes me seriously consider the soundness of my choice of a 1911 instead of a G-17..
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You would need a 300+ round mag for either pistol. ;)
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If Obama had a son . . .
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Yours was removed by user before I could watch it, but I did find this.
http://www.inquisitr.com/278557/flash-mob-terrorizes-and-robs-walmart-in-jacksonville-florida/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/278557/flash-mob-terrorizes-and-robs-walmart-in-jacksonville-florida/)
It has a report and video, for now.
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Has anyone figured out a way to cc a minigun? They ain't so mini when you try to carry one iwb. ;)
Seriously, this is getting rediculous and will probably only get worse. Maybe I should start carrying those 33 round mags as spares. :-\
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Has anyone figured out a way to cc a minigun? They ain't so mini when you try to carry one iwb. ;)
Seriously, this is getting rediculous and will probably only get worse. Maybe I should start carrying those 33 round mags as spares. :-\
If you aren't against crossdressing, you could probably conceal a Beta c-mag in the upper chest area.
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I got it from a local news broadcast out of Gainesville I think, (that I can't seem to find now).
The post was only 4 hours old when I put it up.. I guess they figured it wouldn't be appropriate to show given the pigment of the players involved.. Might give the wrong impression...
Update.. Seems to be working for the moment..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SFmuhaqH95I
Go figure..
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Read the original Drudge story, than the youtube vid. The comments were pretty good.
One I remember, was "It's hard to see the mob of "teens" with all the African-Americans in the way stealing and trashing stuff".
Damn shame,.....this is an underground (not so much anymore) called Project X, and they coordinate via online and are not done by any means.
Just wait,.....George Zimmerman gets acquitted, Food Stamps get cut, the dollar collapses, a hurricane,.......
This is just an appetizer,..... :-\
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As bad as it is, it's also a good situation to learn from. What would you do if you were in that Walmart (By yourself, with your family)?
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As bad as it is, it's also a good situation to learn from. What would you do if you were in that Walmart (By yourself, with your family)?
LEAVE any way I could.
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As bad as it is, it's also a good situation to learn from. What would you do if you were in that Walmart (By yourself, with your family)?
HHMMM! Food for thought for sure. I carry a 1911 with an eight round mag, plus one in the pipe. I carry a ten round super mag in my pocket. Thats not enough! May have to switch to the XDm and two extra mags. But then that many 230 gr. rounds will pull my pants down. AHA! saggen pants the perfect camo for this. I'm brilliant!!!
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As bad as it is, it's also a good situation to learn from. What would you do if you were in that Walmart (By yourself, with your family)?
It really depends on where I am in relation to the mob when it begins.
1. Get as far away from the mob as possible.
a. If at ground zero when it begins, do whatever it takes to get away/out.
b. Leave store if it doesn't require pushing counter to the mob (i.e., go out the other exit if possible).
There's too much risk going into the mob for any reason, in my opinion.
c. If unable to confidently leave store, move to other corner of store.
2. Avoid confrontation
a. Don't appear to be an easy victim.
b. Don't appear to be a threat.
c. Give them no obvious reason to come after you.
3. Find a corner with good sight lines that's easily defendable. A corner limits exits, but also limits entrances.
4. Limit who is allowed in your secured space (Not immediately threatening).
a. Obviously or questionably with the mob, they don't come near.
b. Obviously not with the mob, case by case situation depending on their needs, attitude, and ability to aid in defense.
5. Deal with obvious threats accordingly.
6. Make a quick exit when a safe opportunity arises.
7. Hope 10+1 with a spare 15 rounds of 9mm is enough.
For the record, I'm single with no kids. I think my plan would be applicable with a family though. I hope that my future wife would be armed as well and could aid in defense.
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Leave through the garden center, there is nothing there to attract the varmints and you are most likely to have a clear path.
Ever hear some low life say "Ise gonna go steal some new kicks, baggies , and a shrub for my Mom." ?
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Leave through the garden center, there is nothing there to attract the varmints and you are most likely to have a clear path.
Ever hear some low life say "Ise gonna go steal some new kicks, baggies , and a shrub for my Mom." ?
This is a chaos system. Your suggestion is logical but pointless - 300 people intent on trashing a place do not care what they trash. They will look for an easy door.
The only likely unobstructed exits are the ones in the back behind the swinging doors. That's where I would head.
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The only likely unobstructed exits are the ones in the back behind the swinging doors. That's where I would head.
Out the back sounds good to me. Our WM has five alternate exits... one in produce, one in the dairy area, one in the "In Store Pickup" location, one in Automotive, and the Garden Center. No matter where you are in the store, there should be a way out nearby.
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It really depends on where I am in relation to the mob when it begins.
7. Hope 10+1 with a spare 15 rounds of 9mm is enough.
The WalMart I go to has plenty of ammo in the sporting goods section. During a threat, I think a hasty purchase at the sporting goods counter would be in order.
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Before I ask the obvious question I would like to see a timeline of events that night.
What is the obvious question?
What bit of elite police procedure says that when you break up a large out of control party you don't care or pay attention to what the party goers do or where they go? This large a group moves down the road from point A to point B, and there is no report of law enforcement with them ??? In an urban area large enough to have a Walmart and following a legal action to disperse a party where a shooting took place, and they do not have every law enforcement in the region available to deal with this migration ???
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The back security door that says "Alarm Will Sound If Opened".....
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It seemed like the doors were pretty plugged up. I was thinking to take whoever happened to be with me and head for the Deli or Dairy Case Refrigerators.. Find a corner with a choke point in front of it and wait it out.
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I wasnt aware Walmart had a half off fried chicken sale.
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This thread is kinda pointless after the theater shooting this morning....the lesson learned?
BE PREPARED!
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I wasnt aware Walmart had a half off fried chicken sale.
Watermelons were buy one get one free.
This thread is kinda pointless after the theater shooting this morning....the lesson learned?
BE PREPARED!
Not really useless, each of the different types of situation generates a different dynamic that requires a different response.
In the Flash mob situation the focus is to commit theft and vandalism with out interference, moving away, leaving, will cause the perps to pay you less mind.
In the shooting the focus is on bodycount, movement draws the eye and can be expected to draw fire, heading for an exit is not heading for safety, it is heading for choke point that increases your danger, the shooter knows where they are, and knows large numbers of targets will get jammed up there. In that situation you are safer staying out of sight somewhere you won't get trampled by the herd.
Last I heard he is credited with 71 casualties. I would bet half of the injuries were due not to gunshot, but to crowd action.
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Undoubtedly, there were casualties due to massed bodies pushing for an exit! The prepared person would be looking for an avenue of survivability that the average sheep would have ignored. Diving for cover, under a seat, nearer an exit but not making themselves a target! Think....think....think.....
I cannot fathom what I might have done but....I probably would have ignored the "no firearms allowed" signs anyway!
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Unless there are manned metal detectors it's not even close to being "gun free".
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Unless there are manned metal detectors it's not even close to being "gun free".
That's been my philosophy for some time now!
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Undoubtedly, there were casualties due to massed bodies pushing for an exit! The prepared person would be looking for an avenue of survivability that the average sheep would have ignored. Diving for cover, under a seat, nearer an exit but not making themselves a target! Think....think....think.....
I cannot fathom what I might have done but....I probably would have ignored the "no firearms allowed" signs anyway!
Apparently he came in, sat down, got up at one point and went out a side door, propping it open, then came back in all geared up, shooting anyone who stood up or headed toward an exit.
If you can believe the cops that is. The Aurora PD Chief made the ludicrous comment that the shooter had a drum "clip" that could shoot 50-60 rounds per minute. Apparently all by itself, no rifle required. Of course, I was reading print media, so the reporter could have hosed the report.
Anyone check to see if Aurora's mayor is on the un-indicted part of the MAIG member's list?
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This thread is kinda pointless after the theater shooting this morning....the lesson learned?
BE PREPARED!
Which is something I've always said you can't be for 100% of everything.
You can be "as prepared as you possibly can" for a wide variety of unexpected events, but no one can possibly cover all avenues.
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Which is something I've always said you can't be for 100% of everything.
You can be "as prepared as you possibly can" for a wide variety of unexpected events, but no one can possibly cover all avenues.
No, you can't be physically prepared for every eventuality, you can't carry around bridging equipment in case a sink hole opens up near you. But you can prepare your mindset, to accept responsibility for your own safety, and the idea that when action is needed there is no one else you can depend on. Every time you see a news story, any story, not just the exciting ones, ask your self "what could I do in that situation ?" It conditions the mind to think of actions in unfamiliar circumstances.
When disaster strikes, any action is better than no action.
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No, you can't be physically prepared for every eventuality, you can't carry around bridging equipment in case a sink hole opens up near you. But you can prepare your mindset, to accept responsibility for your own safety, and the idea that when action is needed there is no one else you can depend on. Every time you see a news story, any story, not just the exciting ones, ask your self "what could I do in that situation ?" It conditions the mind to think of actions in unfamiliar circumstances.
When disaster strikes, any action is better than no action.
Yes...that was implied. ;D
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Remember:
Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we react to it.
It is much easier to be prepared for anything that comes up than most think.
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Remember:
Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we react to it.
It is much easier to be prepared for anything that comes up than most think.
Heat, light, food, water, protection, and shelter are what you must have to survive.
Pistol, flashlight,fire making equipment, a couple energy or granola bars, a multi tool, canteen, and a space blanket .
It won't fit in your pockets, but a fanny pack will hold all of it easily.
The real load is the knowledge, and mindset to use it correctly.
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I wasnt aware Walmart had a half off fried chicken sale.
At least your not subtle in your racism. I'll give you credit for that.
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Watermelons were buy one get one free.
Your blatant, overt racism really adds to the value of your posts.
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Catalina,
No one ever accused us of being politically correct. However, we are well know for our good times and being mostly harmless.
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Your blatant, overt racism really adds to the value of your posts.
Crying racism is pretty lame in a country that elected a black guy president.
If this offended you , you would get the screaming fantods over some of the jokes I tell in private.
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Where else could the conversaion possibly go? This is such a common, redundant condition that it falls under the category of "those subjects" that are politically incorrect to discuss. Sadly, if I were to describe the mob in fully acceptable pc speak, as in any number of other flash mob incidents, my comments would attract a charge of racism. It's sad, but it's obvious.
When an ethnic group of people believe that they have a right to satisfy their whims or create mischief at other's expense solely on their existence as a group, that's racism.
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Your blatant, overt racism really adds to the value of your posts.
After further reflection I decided to expand on my previous reply.
Despite his low post count Catalina has been a member of this forum since 2007.
There have been many threads about flash mobs, not a peep out of this member.
There have been videos posted of blacks calling for the murder of whites, in one recent one the head of the NBP called for digging up dead ones and killing them again.
I heard no comments from Catalina about the racism of that statement.
But let some one crack wise about these little savages acting like a troop of monkeys and he is on it like white on rice.
Perhaps he would like to explain why he calls out Sledge and I for rude jokes but lets Eric Holder slide for not enforcing election law because "it would make his people look bad".
They are doing that quite well with out a voter intimidation case.
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If you need me to explain to why watermelon and fried chicken jokes are bigoted and racist versus political correctness I cannot help you.
I'm not here to defend the attorney general or other crimes by certain aspects of society. That's a feeble attempt to deflect criticism of racists and bigoted comments.
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If you need me to explain to why watermelon and fried chicken jokes are bigoted and racist versus political correctness I cannot help you.
I'm not here to defend the attorney general or other crimes by certain aspects of society. That's a feeble attempt to deflect criticism of racists and bigoted comments.
That's racist!!!!!
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If you need me to explain to why watermelon and fried chicken jokes are bigoted and racist versus political correctness I cannot help you.
I'm not here to defend the attorney general or other crimes by certain aspects of society. That's a feeble attempt to deflect criticism of racists and bigoted comments.
When you mean BLACKS say so you hypocrite.
I tell drunk jokes about Irishmen as well so get over yourself.
The only thing I need you to explain is how the "political correctness" crowd manages to be so one sided with out having their heads explode.
Oh, I forgot, minorities can't be racist, right ?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/no-more-defense-an-in-depth-look-at-new-black-panther-rhetoric-as-it-turns-increasingly-aggressive/
http://magazine.townhall.com/coulter-mugged
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I love fried chicken and watermelon........ribs, fatback......... not much on collard greens though......... ::) ::)
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When you mean BLACKS say so you hypocrite.
I tell drunk jokes about Irishmen as well so get over yourself.
The only thing I need you to explain is how the "political correctness" crowd manages to be so one sided with out having their heads explode.
Oh, I forgot, minorities can't be racist, right ?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/no-more-defense-an-in-depth-look-at-new-black-panther-rhetoric-as-it-turns-increasingly-aggressive/
http://magazine.townhall.com/coulter-mugged
Whew. Nice attempt to deflect the accurate portrayal of blatant racist bigoted posts.
If I were a hypocrite, that does not mean fried chicken and watermelon comments directed at certain segments of society are not racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBxE0y7b464
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Getting back on topic... I'd swing by the sporting goods aisle and pick up an Easton aluminum baseball bat then make my way out the back.
P.S. Ever notice how close the baseball bats are to the glass case full of ammo?
(not that I would do that, but I would imagine one of those thugs would)
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Thanks Tyler (and Peg)! I'm not into the racist stuff, because the gun culture should be inclusive, and I welcome anyone who supports the 2A.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, in terms of the Flash Mob, get out or get hidden! You don't have enough ammo to save everyone, and even if you had your AR and all the ammo you wanted, doing the tactically smart thing would put you in prison for life. (cf Rules of engagement for the morally and logically correct response).
On planet earth however, always paying attention to to where the exits are, moving away and avoiding confrontation are the smart ways to go. And if you have to draw your gun, well to quote Truco, "If you're going to shoot, shoot, don't talk" seems like the best advice out there, but that's just me. Because frankly, if it gets bad enough I have to clear leather, I'm pretty sure the time for talking is done.
FQ13
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FQ, if you saw that movie you know that SLJ actually did exactly the right thing.
The video that got burned clearly showed the "poor little girl" busting caps with a Tok.
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FQ, if you saw that movie you know that SLJ actually did exactly the right thing.
The video that got burned clearly showed the "poor little girl" busting caps with a Tok.
Yep, and he was still a frog's hair away from life in Leavenworth. That's the point. We all know what the right thing to do in situations like that is. And if it happened a few times, and the cops said "atta boys (girls)" it wouldn't have to happen again. But that ain't going to happen because even if we haven't completly neutered ourselves like the Brits and Aussies, we're pretty close. I wouldn't open fire on that mob, I'd just get out. That's sad, because if a dozen guys with Glocks had opened up and walked away,which they should have, it would have been the last flash mob in Jacksonville. But, as it stands, they'd be sharing a cell with the 200 pound cousin of one of the "innocent children" they shot. >:(
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So why do you argue when I suggest exactly the same thing as a national foreign policy ?