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Time editor tells MSNBC 'there needs to be a real effort along the lines of World War II to combat global warming and climate change.'
By Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
4/17/2008 5:24:05 PM
For only the second time in 85 years, Time magazine abandoned the traditional red border it uses on its cover. The occasion – to push more global warming alarmism.
The cover of the April 21 issue of Time took the famous Iwo Jima photograph by Joe Rosenthal of the Marines raising the American flag and replaced the flag with a tree. The cover story by Bryan Walsh calls green “the new red, white and blue.”
Donald Mates, an Iwo Jima veteran, told the Business & Media Institute on April 17 that using that photograph for that cause was a “disgrace.”
“It’s an absolute disgrace,” Mates said. “Whoever did it is going to hell. That’s a mortal sin. God forbid he runs into a Marine that was an Iwo Jima survivor.”
Mates also said making the comparison of World War II to global warming was erroneous and disrespectful.
“The second world war we knew was there,” Mates said. “There’s a big discussion. Some say there is global warming, some say there isn’t. And to stick a tree in place of a flag on the Iwo Jima picture is just sacrilegious.”
According to the American Veterans Center (AVC), Mates served in the 3rd Marine Division and fought in the battle of Iwo Jima, landing on Feb. 24, 1945.
“A few days later, Mates’ eight-man patrol came under heavy assault from Japanese forces,” Tim Holbert, a spokesman for the AVC, said. “During fierce-hand-to-hand combat, Mates watched as his friend and fellow Marine, Jimmy Trimble, was killed in front of his eyes. Mates was severely wounded, and underwent repeated operations for shrapnel removal for over 30 years.”
Lt. John Keith Wells, the leader of the platoon that raised the flags on Mt. Suribachi and co-author of “Give Me Fifty Marines Not Afraid to Die: Iwo Jima” wasn’t impressed with Time’s efforts.
“That global warming is the biggest joke I’ve ever known,” Wells told the Business & Media Institute. “[W]e’ll stick a dadgum tree up somebody’s rear if they want that and think that’s going to cure something.”
Time managing editor Richard Stengel appeared on MSNBC April 17 and said the United States needed to make a major effort to fight climate change, and that the cover’s purpose was to liken global warming to World War II.
“- ne of the things we do in the story is we say there needs to be an effort along the lines of preparing for World War II to combat global warming and climate change,” Stengel said. “It seems to me that this is an issue that is very popular with the voters, makes a lot of sense to them and a candidate who can actually bundle it up in some grand way and say, ‘Look, we need a national and international Manhattan Project to solve this problem and my candidacy involves that.’ I don't understand why they don’t do that.”
Holbert, a speaking on behalf of the American Veterans Center, said the editorial decision by Time to use the photograph for the cover trivialized the cause the veterans fought for.
“Global warming may or may not be a significant threat to the United States,” Holbert said. “The Japanese Empire in February of 1945, however, certainly was, and this photo trivializes the most recognizable moment of one of the bloodiest battles in U.S. history. War analogies should be used sparingly by political advocates of all bents.”
Stengel also appeared on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on April 17 and had no difficulty admitting the magazine needed to have a “point of view.”
“I think since I’ve been back at the magazine, I have felt that one of the things that’s needed in journalism is that you have to have a point of view about things,” Stengel said. “You can’t always just say ‘on the one hand, on the other’ and you decide. People trust us to make decisions. We’re experts in what we do. So I thought, you know what, if we really feel strongly about something let's just say so.”
Time has been banging the global warming drum for some time now. In April 2007, Time offered 51 ways to “save the planet,” which included more taxes and regulation.
Link http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080417171532.aspx
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I think the part I bolded says it all. Journalists actually think they are "experts" on what ever subject they report, be it global warming, national defense or the Consitution!
They are just helping the poor, ignorant masses by making the decisions for them!
LORD, the ARROGANCE!
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I can't understand why we don't vote more journalists into office. They have such clear vision and almighty knowledge that every problem is clear and simply solved. Just think how quick we could end all wars, curb pollution, save money, end hunger and disease, live a stress free life, and end homelessness and illiteracy if they were in control. Top that off with how wealthy they must be. Their answer to everything is "more money." Tax this, tax that, and raise our taxes. They call for tax increases daily like they are printing cash in the basement ... Oh ... Maybe that is what they do with all their old presses when they bring in new ones.
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I can't understand why we don't vote more journalists into office.
Bullseye!
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Here is the Pic of the cover:
(http://www.businessandmedia.org/stillshots/2008/TimeIwoJima.jpg)
I was insulted by this, and I'm not even a veteran.
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We’re experts in what we do.
So wasn't Joseph Gobbels, Americas "Jounalists" learned a lot from him, primarily that a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth. Remember a few years ago when the big concern was "global cooling" After a winter that set records for snowfall here in NH I say global warming is BS. Yes, Glaciers in Greenland are receding, to day they have receded almost as far back as they were 1000 years ago when the Vikings settled there, not quite, but almost. The problems are that they are trying to calculate multi thousand year cycles using 200 years worth of data and enviro panic is big bucks.
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My Uncle Virgil was there and I called him to find out how he felt about this, lets just say he spoke in true Marine fashion. Thats my Uncle for ya. ;D
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My Uncle Virgil was there and I called him to find out how he felt about this, lets just say he spoke in true Marine fashion. Thats my Uncle for ya. ;D
Say "Thank you Hero" to your Uncle for me.
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Here is the Pic of the cover:
(http://www.businessandmedia.org/stillshots/2008/TimeIwoJima.jpg)
I was insulted by this, and I'm not even a veteran.
+1
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Just confirms why I no longer subscribe to TIME. ::)
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So wasn't Joseph Gobbels, Americas "Jounalists" learned a lot from him, primarily that a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth. Remember a few years ago when the big concern was "global cooling" After a winter that set records for snowfall here in NH I say global warming is BS. Yes, Glaciers in Greenland are receding, to day they have receded almost as far back as they were 1000 years ago when the Vikings settled there, not quite, but almost. The problems are that they are trying to calculate multi thousand year cycles using 200 years worth of data and enviro panic is big bucks.
"The problems are that they are trying to calculate multi thousand year cycles using 200 years worth of data and enviro panic is big bucks."
Tom, you hit the nail on the head. First junk science. I had tons of training in geoscience in grad school, and as an archaeologist and historian I am well familiar with geologic cycles. 200 years ain't even a blink of an eye geologically.
As for the big buck, some month back, a news article came through about how the Democratic National Committee had funded a study that indicated that there was roughly $15 Billion to be made annually by pushing the green agenda. Report disappeared from the LSM as fast as it appeared.
In case you don't think so, consider those stupid ugly green-tinted CFLs (compact flourescent lights) all the teachers are telling their classes to go home and insist Mommy and Daddy buy. They are what, $2.50 each or more? And what is a regular incandescent? $0.27 each? And now, of course, they "discover" there is mercury in the CFLs (known all along) and now there must be special reycling centers set up to collect and process the CFLs.
Like Tom said, "big bucks".
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Aren't we still defrosting from the ice age?
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Newspaper subscriptions, magazine renewals, ALL DOWN!, Maybe it's just a matter of "Time", before they become even more diminished to just be another rag, like Rolling Stone. ( Just as Bad ).
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Aren't we still defrosting from the ice age?
If you tour the Natural History Museum in Chicago you will see that we are on the warming (but still icy) side of a natural cycle of ice ages.
This is why I'm willing to admit that we are experiencing global warming. I am even willing to say we may be contributing in some way. However, this is a natural cycle, and it is going to happen anyway.
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If you tour the Natural History Museum in Chicago you will see that we are on the warming (but still icy) side of a natural cycle of ice ages.
This is why I'm willing to admit that we are experiencing global warming.
YEP
I am even willing to say we may be contributing in some way. However, this is a natural cycle, and it is going to happen anyway.
NOPE. Mt St Helens put out more "greenhouse gasses" than we have since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
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NOPE. Mt St Helens put out more "greenhouse gasses" than we have since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
Come on now! I'm not giving the store away, and some of them green chicks are hot!
Disclaimer from a still cautious guy:
Not near as hot as M'ette, even when she isn't carrying a gun.
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Did they think about all the trees that are cut down to publish their rag, I hate hippocrates!
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*sigh* ::)
Seriously, is there absolutely no shame in anything anymore?
Another question, since when did the National Enquirer write for Time?
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I'm a 20 year military Veteran and I think it despicable. If your not qualified to speak of war, or been there, and can't think of anything positive to say about those that have, then shut the f**k up!.
And thats all I got to say about that. (http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/proud.gif)
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I'm a 20 year military Veteran and I think it despicable. If your not qualified to speak of war, or been there, and can't think of anything positive to say about those that have, then shut the f**k up!.
And thats all I got to say about that. (http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/proud.gif)
That sums it up nicely.
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Here's what I posted on my blog, and on another forum on the matter.
I fear that words cannot adequately express my anger at the sight of this magazine cover. What those men sacrificed on, and around Suribachi that day transcends politics and agendas. The nobility of their sacrifices merits the humility and eternal gratitude of a nation that enjoys the freedoms resulting from their blood.
That anyone would usurp their valor in the name of advertisement sales is an insult of the gravest order. Time magazine has made it be known that the blood of our country's finest amounts to nothing more than a sensational advertisement for a bogus geopolitical cause. They have announced to the globe that nothing is sacred, and no heroism is beyond the reach of depraved sensationalism.
The knowledge that fine Marines who fought and bled on that island have and will see the icon of their sacrifice bastardized in the name of some pet cause wounds me deeply. My brothers, I apologize to you for what my generation has allowed your country to become.
While the folks at time magazine will never understand the idea behind the phrase, rest assured that some of us do. Semper Fidelis
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Here's what I posted on my blog, and on another forum on the matter.
That sums it up nicely.
Amen,....