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Title: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: crusader rabbit on October 01, 2012, 12:23:39 PM
Researchers now claim tin foil hats may actually increase the govt's ability to pick up or control our thoughts.

See:  http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/tin-foil-hats-actually-make-it-easier-for-the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/

 
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Let's say some malevolent group -- the government, powerful corporations, extraterrestrials -- really is trying to read and/or control your thoughts with radio waves. Would the preferred headgear of the paranoid, a foil helmet, really keep The Man and alien overlords out of our brains?

The scientific reasoning behind the foil helmet is that it acts as a Faraday cage, an enclosure made up of a conducting material that shields its interior from external electrostatic charges and electromagnetic radiation by distributing them around its exterior and dissipating them. While sometimes these enclosures are actual cages, they come in many forms, and most of us have probably dealt with one type or another. Elevators, the scan rooms that MRI machines sit in, "booster bags" that shoplifters sometimes use to circumvent electronic security tags, cables like USB or TV coaxial cables, and even the typical household microwave all provide shielding as Faraday cages.

While the underlying concept is good, the typical foil helmet fails in design and execution. An effective Faraday cage fully encloses whatever it's shielding, but a helmet that doesn't fully cover the head doesn't fully protect it. If the helmet is designed or worn with a loose fit, radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation can still get up underneath the brim from below and reveal your innermost thoughts to the reptilian humanoids or the Bilderberg Group.

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More at link.

I wonder if there's a difference between using Reynolds Wrap vs generic.  Anyway, my hat's in  the trash until I see some more research.  And the neighbors just started to accept me with my hat on...  Sheesh!

Crusader
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: fightingquaker13 on October 01, 2012, 12:30:53 PM
Rowaje will be crushed. ;D
FQ13
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Pecos Bill on October 01, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
Oh we're in trouble! The infamous Bilderberg Group is still working! They stopped the Martians with germ warfare and they're still after us! Duck and cover, guys!
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Solus on October 01, 2012, 03:17:14 PM
Chit....I just invested heavily in Reynolds  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: deepwater on October 01, 2012, 05:51:53 PM
it's all a conspiracy to get you to remove your hats. duh...

deep
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: crusader rabbit on October 02, 2012, 07:49:27 AM
it's all a conspiracy to get you to remove your hats. duh...

deep

I have hope for the future, Deep.  Thanks

Crusader
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: RTFM on October 02, 2012, 08:08:45 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/we3/Twytch.jpg)

You're obviously doing it wrong... the hats are fine as long as you add the nuclear blass' goggles and put ya' fingahs' in ya' eahs'

Then the hat is still effective.

Duuuuhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Jrlobo on October 02, 2012, 10:31:36 AM
The only thing that keeps the government from reading your thoughts is a beard and carrying a gun. That way they shoot you first and then try to read your mind...only our government would think that way. Meanwhile, another border patrol agent has been killed in AZ. Was he sporting a goatee?
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 02, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
The only thing that keeps the government from reading your thoughts is a beard and carrying a gun. That way they shoot you first and then try to read your mind...only our government would think that way. Meanwhile, another border patrol agent has been killed in AZ. Was he sporting a goatee?

Does Holder have an alibi ?
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Pecos Bill on October 02, 2012, 12:43:10 PM
Does Holder have an alibi ?

Holder doesn't need an alibi. He has Presidential Immunity.
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Tyler Durden on October 02, 2012, 05:51:28 PM
Wow!  Another BP agent killed.!?

Off to google in a minute...

The main thing with aluminum foil hats is the shiney side has to be facing out.
(http://media1.break.com/breakstudios/2012/1/6/Signs%20mel%20gibson.jpg)

as pictured here, the children are using the monopole omnidirectional technique which provides a multitude of protection across a wider spectrum of the RF range.

EDIT:  changed the "j" out in "projection" to make it "protection" .  Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket.   ;)


Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 02, 2012, 05:58:00 PM
They also look like a big Hersey Kiss stuck on their heads, all it needs is the paper "flag".
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Solus on October 02, 2012, 07:50:45 PM
My ex-brother-in-law scoffed at tinfoil hats.

He knew that there were micro processors in the paint on the inside walls of his house and they recorded everything that went on to later transmit the data to airplanes as they flew over in the Air Traffic Pattern for Wright Patterson AFB. 

He also kept a blanket over the screen of his television because the government could watch through the set, even when it was turned off.

Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 02, 2012, 07:57:38 PM
My ex-brother-in-law scoffed at tinfoil hats.

He knew that there were micro processors in the paint on the inside walls of his house and they recorded everything that went on to later transmit the data to airplanes as they flew over in the Air Traffic Pattern for Wright Patterson AFB. 

He also kept a blanket over the screen of his television because the government could watch through the set, even when it was turned off.

Don't laugh Solus, the only way to insure they don't do exactly that with your cell phone is to take the battery out.
If the NSA has identified your phone they can activate it without the lights or tones and either track it or listen to what is said near it.
This was confirmed in a NYT article 10 years ago about how the CIA was catching terrorists.
It came out just before Bin Laden quit using cell phones.
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Solus on October 02, 2012, 08:03:23 PM
This was back in '68...we hadn't even landed on the moon yet.   The man was way ahead of  his time.

Most cable installations are two way ....so they could be close.  

I happen to have started cutting the power to my TV ...not for security reasons, but the damn thing was running up my utility bill 24/7.  It's lucky I didn't shoot it.
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 02, 2012, 08:10:55 PM
Microwave, and high end coffee makers will as well, anything with lights and timers.
Each one isn't much, but when you start adding up all the gadgets in a house.....
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Solus on October 02, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
well, at least I have the coffee maker covered.   

Boil water in a pot and pour it over the just ground beans....

Really does make great coffee. 

And now lets drift over to Sweet Maria's where you, too, can acquire this wonder coffee pot.

http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/filtercones/handy-brew-coffee-dripper.html

If any of you are as much of a Coffee Nut as you are a Gun Nut, you might enjoy it  :D :D
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Tyler Durden on October 02, 2012, 08:39:31 PM
There is some radio station in St. Louis where people would call in and leave comments.  Some guy said he was a cable installer and was absolutely serious talking about how the new plasma screens were actually like a lens as well and would be like having a huge video camera in your living room broadcasting video and audio back to NSA/CIA HQ. 

I about died laughing.  He was so serious.
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 02, 2012, 10:40:37 PM
There is some radio station in St. Louis where people would call in and leave comments.  Some guy said he was a cable installer and was absolutely serious talking about how the new plasma screens were actually like a lens as well and would be like having a huge video camera in your living room broadcasting video and audio back to NSA/CIA HQ.  

I about died laughing.  He was so serious.

Maybe you shouldn't laugh Tyler, how big is a cell phone and that can send video.
How much of that microcircuit sh!t could you hide in something the size of a TV .
A while back there was a thread about "fake" mosquitoes that were actually drones.

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20350.0

The idea of spying through the TV goes back at least as far as Orwell's 1984, that was how big brother kept track of every one, they had to keep their TVs on.

Thanks to Santa hog
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20070.0
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: JoeG on October 03, 2012, 09:19:18 AM
Maybe you shouldn't laugh Tyler, how big is a cell phone and that can send video.
How much of that microcircuit sh!t could you hide in something the size of a TV .
A while back there was a thread about "fake" mosquitoes that were actually drones.


Cell phones are not phones but digital radios. Most have a camera so all the parts are there. All the new ones are transmitting GPS coordinates routinely unless you go in and turn off the aps that use it. If you find a radio and a camera in your TV then forget the foil hat and go for the tin foil tent!

Thanks for a belly laugh with this thread.
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Solus on October 03, 2012, 12:18:07 PM

Maybe you shouldn't laugh Tyler, how big is a cell phone and that can send video.
How much of that microcircuit sh!t could you hide in something the size of a TV .


The laughable part is that they would use the plasma screen itself as the lens...much more efficient designs available that would work find  hidden inside.

With power to the unit, they might do anything they want...and you will be paying the electric bill.  If power is cut off...not just turning the device off, but cutting power to the cord, it would be more difficult.

Cell phone battery would not last long transmitting continuous sound and video....but then they would not be limited to a cell phone sized battery in a TV enclosure....and it would still recharge on  your meter. 

If you suspect the Cable Co. is in on the conspiracy, you better cut power to their boxes too....good bye DVR.   
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 03, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
2 words Solus.
Smart meters.
Another thought just struck me, the little "eye" that picks up the beam from the remote could easily be a digital camera lens, compare it to the size of the lens on your cell phone.
I don't know if they actually do this stuff, but the tech is there.
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: rojawe on October 03, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
Look no further than fightingquaker13 and see what it did to him and that should answer the question it screwed him up
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 03, 2012, 10:16:09 PM
Look no further than fightingquaker13 and see what it did to him and that should answer the question it screwed him up

I think his "My Favorite Martian" antennas arced out between his ears.   ;D
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: crusader rabbit on October 04, 2012, 07:29:37 AM
2 words Solus.
Smart meters.
Another thought just struck me, the little "eye" that picks up the beam from the remote could easily be a digital camera lens, compare it to the size of the lens on your cell phone.
I don't know if they actually do this stuff, but the tech is there.

Just heard that one of the alphabet agencies has developed an app that will turn-on the video/camera functions on anyone's phone.  By using the digital information they receive, they can reconstruct 360 degree views of crime scenes, or the interior of someone's home, or just about anything else they may want.

It may be too late for tinfoil hats.  And the darned lead suit thing is just too heavy for daily wear.

Crusader
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Magoo541 on October 04, 2012, 09:21:48 AM
Just heard that one of the alphabet agencies has developed an app that will turn-on the video/camera functions on anyone's phone.  By using the digital information they receive, they can reconstruct 360 degree views of crime scenes, or the interior of someone's home, or just about anything else they may want.

It may be too late for tinfoil hats.  And the darned lead suit thing is just too heavy for daily wear.

Crusader

I read something along those lines but I'm sure there will be some entrepeneur that will come along with an ap that can keep them out or at least keep the camera and mic off.  Its hard to make something, easy to stop something and even easier to break something  ;D

I can see it now some Alphabet soup agency tries to turn on someone "target's" camera and inadvertently release a virus into their own system  ;)
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: Jrlobo on October 04, 2012, 11:04:19 AM
Yes, they can Magoo. So, if you don't use the camera on your cell phone, duct tape the lens. The government would have a hard time taking the tape off when it is in your pocket. And, if they try, you have grounds under the 4th Amendment re search and seizure and under local laws re groping. Any cell phone have lens caps? 'Bout time they do (suggest that to Apple).
Title: Re: Tin Foil Hats May Be Worthless or Even Harmful
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 04, 2012, 01:00:55 PM
They already have aluminum wallets to protect you credit cards from RFID readers .
Next step is an aluminum cell phone case.
The only problem is that if it prevents unauthorized outside access it will also block all incoming calls.

http://www.magellans.com/store/Shop_by_Brand___Magellan_s___Travel_AccessoriesSV116