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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on December 19, 2012, 08:51:09 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/19/nra-sees-surge-in-membership-after-connecticut-school-shooting/
Let's hope this trend continues!
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Where has the NRA been? I know they "Have something significant" to contribute tomorrow but they have let all kinds of accusations fester in the court of public perception. ???
What could be wrong with a simple, "The NRA does not condone the slaughter of the innocent in any way and any fault for the young man's actions lies squarely on his shoulders. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims families." ???
Tomorrow's announcement is crucial to the NRA's future.
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Tomorrow's announcement is crucial to the NRA's future.
The only problem I have with it, is they are picking a really lousy time to do it on the Friday before Christmas. One of the busiest shopping days, and few will be watching the news to see it. The best time for these type of announcements is at the start of the weekly news cycle on Monday. That is why the White House always releases detrimental information on Fridays. Fewer people see it, and by Monday it's all 3 days old.
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The only problem I have with it, is they are picking a really lousy time to do it on the Friday before Christmas.
I don't know much about the inner workings in the gun industry, but I'm pretty sure the NRA and other big players have been meeting over this and they needed time to craft a unified message and strategy. However, I totally agree with this. Friday is lousy. They should have done it yesterday because Wednesday is typically a slow news day.
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As a note, I remember Charlton Heston, being ambushed by Michael Moore about why the NRA planned an event or something that seemed to be around the Columbine killings.
If the NRA makes a quick response they will be damned by every MSM news outlet endlessly for 'profiteering' on the deaths of children....even though the other side gets a pass.
Any positive message the NRA would have delivered would have been buried in countless news releases condemning their 'dancing in the blood' of children to further the goals of the Evil Gun Lobby.
I don't know if waiting will be a better option, but I do know that a quick statement would have drawn tremendous flak.
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Didn't ANY of you ever read Musashi, or Sun Tzu ?
You never win by reacting to your foe, you never win by being second.
Guns should never have become an issue.
The debate should be focused entirely on why dangerously unstable people are given a bottle of pills and turned loose .
There should have been editorials on the subject before the last body hit the floor.
Instead, the gun media sat around with their thumbs up their ass and gave the enemy a week to not only set the agenda, but to spread anti gun lies .
The fact that they are lies doesn't matter because they're all the public heard for a week .
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The National Rifle Association has to this point been the wisest in controlling the topic. They sat back quietly as a community mourned. After four full days they came out and told us a comment will be coming on Friday - A full seven days post event. Pretty hard for the Brady's and other anti's to attack a message when you don't put it out there, and it makes those ranting NRA, NRA, NRA look stupid when the NRA is not publicly speaking.
In this day and age of the 24/7 news cycle, and instant replay on the internet the day or time does not matter. The has waited a historically accepted appropriate period of mourning before entering the fray, and they are doing it with appropriate separation from a major holiday and religious observation.
Now all that is to be seen is what they have to say. Since the DFL has tipped their hand by having everyone they control reading from the same script it should be an easy general statement.
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Didn't ANY of you ever read Musashi, or Sun Tzu ?
You never win by reacting to your foe, you never win by being second.
Guns should never have become an issue.
The debate should be focused entirely on why dangerously unstable people are given a bottle of pills and turned loose .
There should have been editorials on the subject before the last body hit the floor.
Instead, the gun media sat around with their thumbs up their ass and gave the enemy a week to not only set the agenda, but to spread anti gun lies .
The fact that they are lies doesn't matter because they're all the public heard for a week .
Guns were an issue BEFORE this shooting and the lies are nothing that they weren't spewing prior to as well. They just seized the opportunity of the flowing blood of children to elevate the hysteria of their uninformed screeching. It's a low and disrespectful approach. We DO need the other aspects of what happened in this incident to be pushed forward. To just lay it all on gun control is disrespectful of the victims. We owe it to those kids to address the real issues, not the control of the tool the guy used to perform his evil.
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Guns were an issue BEFORE this shooting and the lies are nothing that they weren't spewing prior to as well. They just seized the opportunity of the flowing blood of children to elevate the hysteria of their uninformed screeching. It's a low and disrespectful approach. We DO need the other aspects of what happened in this incident to be pushed forward. To just lay it all on gun control is disrespectful of the victims. We owe it to those kids to address the real issues, not the control of the tool the guy used to perform his evil.
Let me rephrase what you posted.
The Dems are doing the same things they've been doing for years and the pro gun groups sit on their thumbs and let them because they just never learn.
None of you have brains enough to see that you already lost .
The only thing left is to see how much your stupidity cost us this time.
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I guess I shoulda used my personal hot-line to Wayne LaPierre to tell him they 'uz a draggin' they feets fo' way too long a time.
My bad.
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I guess I shoulda used my personal hot-line to Wayne LaPierre to tell him they 'uz a draggin' they feets fo' way too long a time.
My bad.
You are the NRA I thought .
My Senator heard from me Friday night and there was a letter to the Editor on it's way Saturday.
Or are you just a bunch of sheep that need to be lead around by your better's ?
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You are the NRA I thought .
My Senator heard from me Friday night and there was a letter to the Editor on it's way Saturday.
Or are you just a bunch of sheep that need to be lead around by your better's ?
Weren't paying attention in some other earlier threads when some were advocating the contacting of any and all necessary, like Rep's and Senators, et al? ..... (And yes, I did).
It's OK....
I'm used to it, being married and such.
Sorry some of us don't make the grade.
(won't lose sleep over that, though)
I am a NRA Life Member..... but I think in this instance, at least as far as the NRA is concerned, they decided on a course of action and nothing I would have said to them would matter..... besides, their website was shut down.
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I should clarify something..... I'm really not snarking at you, Tom...... I agree 100% that the NRA should not have waited so long. But they did what they did and there's nothing I can do about it now. Frustrating is all.
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Y'okey Doke, Tom. Jesus.
I'm signing people up, sending money, signing petitions. My senators are Lautenberg and Menendez. Contacting them is like pissing up a rope. But since I'm so stupid I'm contacting them too.
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I've got Scott Brown (already endorses major changes), Elizabeth Warren (wouldn't waste my time) and John Kerry! I'm f*#ked...and, we already have banned magazines and such here...the gov just pushed his one gun a month bill back on the state lawmakers and it'll pass this time I've no doubt.
But I'm a loser so it doesn't matter.
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While the NRA did not make a public statement until today, I have no doubt they were all over Congress critters letting them know exactly where they stand.
I doubt they were off on holiday for the past week...all they didn't do was make a public statement.
We will see how good or bad a strategy that was soon enough.
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While the NRA did not make a public statement until today, I have no doubt they were all over Congress critters letting them know exactly where they stand.
I doubt they were off on holiday for the past week...all they didn't do was make a public statement.
We will see how good or bad a strategy that was soon enough.
Solus,
I believe they did exactly what we suspected and what they said they did: The National Rifle Association staff recognized the seriousness of this, and the need for respect. They sat in their offices planning their next steps, based on the public rants of Pres. BHO and his ilk, they crafted their message, and they laid out their calendar of forward movement. I don't think anybody heard from the NRA until today when Wayne LaPierre came out and spoke. Now they are moving full forward. I have received two communications from them today, and that is the first since the silence started.
Please note that Mr. LaPierre's message was a statement that did not answer or defend against the last six days of ranting. This was an independent message and proposal. I believe they are setting the tone and direction of the coming debate.
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Solus,
I believe they did exactly what we suspected and what they said they did: The National Rifle Association staff recognized the seriousness of this, and the need for respect. They sat in their offices planning their next steps, based on the public rants of Pres. BHO and his ilk, they crafted their message, and they laid out their calendar of forward movement. I don't think anybody heard from the NRA until today when Wayne LaPierre came out and spoke. Now they are moving full forward. I have received two communications from them today, and that is the first since the silence started.
Please note that Mr. LaPierre's message was a statement that did not answer or defend against the last six days of ranting. This was an independent message and proposal. I believe they are setting the tone and direction of the coming debate.
They answered a lot of the anger directed at the NRA by asking if hating the NRA and guns and gun owners was more important that protecting The Children.
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They answered a lot of the anger directed at the NRA by asking if hating the NRA and guns and gun owners was more important that protecting The Children.
You REALLY don't get it.
For many on the left and in the Administration the answer to that question is YES !
Don't you get yet ?
Do you think it's a coincidence that every time they talk about crime or public safety they always want more gun control laws that don't work ?
Come on, wake up, even a blind squirrel finds the nut once in a while.
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You REALLY don't get it.
For many on the left and in the Administration the answer to that question is YES !
Don't you get yet ?
Do you think it's a coincidence that every time they talk about crime or public safety they always want more gun control laws that don't work ?
Come on, wake up, even a blind squirrel finds the nut once in a while.
Tom, I get it. It wasn't directed at those folks.
What you don't get is a lot of non-hard core liberals will hear the message and if they don't buy it outright, will start thinking about it.
If, as you say, it is a worthless question, what is the point? Nothing can be done short of physical action and the NRA is not the group to start that.
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That's where you're still wrong, they will say like J posted somewhere, "What do you expect the NRA to say", and then they will do what MSNBC tells them to.
You ever hear the media talk about "Eddie Eagle" ?
Same thing here, thundering silence.
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That's where you're still wrong, they will say like J posted somewhere, "What do you expect the NRA to say", and then they will do what MSNBC tells them to.
You ever hear the media talk about "Eddie Eagle" ?
Same thing here, thundering silence.
Well, if we are waiting for the MSN to get our message out, it won't happen....so why you making the big to-do about them not responding earlier?
On the other hand, the message isn't expected to change the minds of the MSN, but rather the folks who will see it and think about it.
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Tom,
You call for loud and bold action, so I am going to ask you directly: You live about 235 miles from Newtown, CT, Why are you not there in the faces of the anti's and media putting them back in their place?
You blame many of us, and you scream we need to be loud and bold.
What have you done and what are you doing that will matter?
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Tom,
You call for loud and bold action, so I am going to ask you directly: You live about 235 miles from Newtown, CT, Why are you not there in the faces of the anti's and media putting them back in their place?
You blame many of us, and you scream we need to be loud and bold.
What have you done and what are you doing that will matter?
Cuz it's a long f*cking walk .
I was in touch with my Senator that afternoon, and sent a letter to the local paper the next day.
I've also been sending letters to every news outlet that comes up on yahoo news.
Will what I do matter ?
It will matter a lot more than sitting on my ass whining about how tragic this is.
What are YOU doing ?
Asking God's help ?
He already gave you common sense and free will, how much more do you want.
Quit whining and use the gifts you've already been given.
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I have answered a few requests for memberships in the National Rifle Association;
I have been on two radio programs speaking on this;
I have consulted with a newspaper columnist, and a radio news director (not the asshat I ripped a new one after he ripped me);
I have met with two shooting organizations addressing how our local groups are going to move forward in our communities (area covering over 5,000 square miles of membership);
I have answered questions and concerns with a local school district wondering what to do;
And, I have my communications ready to go to my elected officials, local, state and national on Wednesday, December 26th.
I'm sorry you don't have a vehicle, but you talk like you are the only one working.
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Have you worked to defend gun rights ?
Or have you worked to get the debate back on the actual topic of crazy people running loose ?
That's what we need to address .
I'm going to do some googling for knife attacks to get ammo for "It's not about guns" .
There is already some legal precedent for locking up a public menace with the case of Typhoid Mary .
The thing is to separate guns from the issue .
There were no guns used on 9-11 ,
There were no guns used on the Tokyo subway
There were no guns used in the Madrid Train bombing
or the London bus bombing .
Chinese knife, hammer, and cleaver attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29
Osaka Japan where there are no guns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
Here's one that was ended by an armed citizen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Robert_Brown
Axe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villisca,_Iowa#Villisca_murders
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=19601.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20169.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=17497.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=12207.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20255.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=17471.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3025.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=12445.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=15856.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=12365.0
Armed Teacher
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=10241.0
That was just from 2 of the 4 pages that came up when I searched for stabbing on the forum .
I could have saved time by skipping wiki.
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No guns used in OKC either.
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No Tom!
I've just been meeting with them eating crumpets and drinking tea with our pinkies sticking out.
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No Tom!
I've just been meeting with them eating crumpets and drinking tea with our pinkies sticking out.
I'd like to see that.
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Try not to bite your pinkie while you work over them crumpets .
But it was an either/ or question .