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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: wtr100 on December 20, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/12/19/167622812/let-teachers-carry-guns-some-state-lawmakers-say-yes (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/12/19/167622812/let-teachers-carry-guns-some-state-lawmakers-say-yes)
bring the pain boys ....
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The problem I see with the poll, excuse me, question, (it says at the bottom it is not a public opinion poll, well then what the hell else could it be?) is that the results will never see the light of day unless it goes the anti's way. It's 2/3rd against at the moment. If it stays thta way then the MSM will plaster it everywhere, if it switches then no one outside NPR will ever hear about it.
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... if it switches then no one outside NPR will ever hear about it.
No problem, screen capture and then blog/Facebook it.
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Whenever I feel like I'm getting a little too smart and need to make myself a little stupider, I just go to the comments section on just about any article online. The stupidity and ignorance is overwhelming.
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Evidently being a liberal means never having to say you're sorry for being clueless. They don't understand anything about ANYTHING!
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Teachers should NOT be allowed to carry in school. The very nature of a teacher is a detriment to the action which may be called for in an active shooter case.
There are plenty of qualified people such as retired police and veterans that would be glad to post up at a school, probably for free a few hours a day.
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One of the folks largely responsible for my love of firearms was a college professor.....who owned more guns than most gun stores have in stock and never let his ammo reserve fall under 10,000 rounds.
Not all teachers are irresponsible, liberal, anti-gun dolts. JMHO, FWIW.
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Teachers should NOT be allowed to carry in school. The very nature of a teacher is a detriment to the action which may be called for in an active shooter case.
There are plenty of qualified people such as retired police and veterans that would be glad to post up at a school, probably for free a few hours a day.
Huh?
The principle died trying to stop the gunman from killing kids. Unarmed she was severely limited in her effectiveness. It is the very nature of a teacher to protect the children in their care....it should be the very nature of every adult to protect the children anywhere.
For sure it should not be in the teachers very nature to have to die futilely trying to protect them.
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Teachers should NOT be allowed to carry in school. The very nature of a teacher is a detriment to the action which may be called for in an active shooter case.
There are plenty of qualified people such as retired police and veterans that would be glad to post up at a school, probably for free a few hours a day.
That's crap, the 2 primary things needed are to be there, and to have the means of defense.
I had a Math teacher who received the Medal of Honor , you going to say he's not qualified ?
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Teachers should NOT be allowed to carry in school. The very nature of a teacher is a detriment to the action which may be called for in an active shooter case.
There are plenty of qualified people such as retired police and veterans that would be glad to post up at a school, probably for free a few hours a day.
A few teachers I know are veterans or former LEO, so you are saying that their position makes them unqualified to carry a firearm?
It has been stated a few times here at DRTV if a teacher can't carry a firearm should they be a teacher?
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Is a Drill Instructor counted as a teacher?
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Whenever I feel like I'm getting a little too smart and need to make myself a little stupider, I just go to the comments section on just about any article online. The stupidity and ignorance is overwhelming.
Avoid those at all costs!
If I want my blood pressure up I can come on here and argue with TAB, FQ or Bogan ;)
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Is a Drill Instructor counted as a teacher?
There is a story about a Marine in the classroom, an open window and a stapler ;D
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Well, here is someone who has weighed in on the poll
Ohio Attorney General says yes.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8690
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Yes 41.24%
Sen. Barbara Boxer Proposes Sending In National Guardsmen To Protect Schools.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/sen-barbara-boxer-proposes-using-national-guardsman-to-protect-schools/
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Yes 41.24%
Sen. Barbara Boxer Proposes Sending In National Guardsmen To Protect Schools.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/sen-barbara-boxer-proposes-using-national-guardsman-to-protect-schools/
We don't need troops to guard our schools. We have plenty of people on staff willing to continue their daily practices while at work if we just let them, and nobody will know which ones they are.
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We don't need troops to guard our schools. We have plenty of people on staff willing to continue their daily practices while at work if we just let them, and nobody will know which ones they are.
Correct. If enough teachers get qualified, there could be a armed presence in every classroom.
With over 98,000 public schools plus any private schools, here will be a LOT of guardsmen on school duty for the few shooting attempts each year.
But then, it is a way to spend money.
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Right at 50-50 at the moment....... not that it'll make a difference.
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Yes 51.16%. Up 10% from my first vote.
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The principal had the guts to give her life to protect her kids shows me that the answer, IMHO, should be a qualified YES. Let's be realistic...not every teacher/staff member is/would be willing to do that. To them, I say fine! To the others, I say great, go for it!!!!! Also, turning "Gun Free Zones" into "May Carry" zones adds to the deterent factor.
JMHOFWIW
Richard
PS: FWIW I have a BS degree in Elementary Education and taught for a time.
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Teachers enter this profession to guide and prepare our children for their future. Arming them is not in their best interest. I do not want my daughters teacher having her job on the line because she can't qualify but is terrific as a facilitator. I would prefer she be concerned with curriculum and helping. Teachers are wide and large moderate to liberal. I am not saying they aren't gun advocates but it isn't mainstream.
That said and expecting flak I would suggest access to weapons centralized and regulated. Such as an armory store in the principles office that key qualified persons may access. That will enable quick response and trained judgement.
We want a solution to the problem here not introduction of more.
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I know a teacher who is "wide and large", but there is nothing moderate about protecting "her" kids.
As a serious reply, I will point out that it doesn't have to be all teachers, any more than it was all pilots.
History in places like Portland Ore, and Pearl Miss shows that while these mutts may be willing to take their own life the idea that some one else will do it before their ready brings them to a halt.
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Teachers should NOT be allowed to carry in school. The very nature of a teacher is a detriment to the action which may be called for in an active shooter case.
There are plenty of qualified people such as retired police and veterans that would be glad to post up at a school, probably for free a few hours a day.
While I agree that most teachers should just lie down a get a bullet through the brain, there are a few who actually know how to think and might actually be entrusted to make a wise decision. It is those few who should actually be allowed to carry and to protect those young innocents placed in their care.
The very nature of a teacher is to care for the young ones in their care. To allow them to be sacrificed to a nut-case is to abrogate that duty.
And just to give additional dimension to my response, I am the son of a college professor and an elementary school teacher. My sister is a recently retired elementary school teacher. I have been involved in adult education for many years. I am no stranger to the education system. And it would break my heart to know one of my students had died because I left my Glock in the nightstand drawer.
2How, give a little more thought to real life before you embarrass yourself by making unsupportable comments. And to intimate that a non-compensated veteran or retired cop would be sufficient to counter all the evil in this world is evidence that you are living in some sort of la-la land.
Grow a pair and realize teachers are not expendable commodities that should willingly lay down and die.
Crusader Rabbit
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Teachers enter this profession to guide and prepare our children for their future. Arming them is not in their best interest. I do not want my daughters teacher having her job on the line because she can't qualify but is terrific as a facilitator. I would prefer she be concerned with curriculum and helping. Teachers are wide and large moderate to liberal. I am not saying they aren't gun advocates but it isn't mainstream.
That said and expecting flak I would suggest access to weapons centralized and regulated. Such as an armory store in the principles office that key qualified persons may access. That will enable quick response and trained judgement.
We want a solution to the problem here not introduction of more.
Not every teacher needs a gun, I agree....... But, if a teacher has already been vetted and has a valid CCW permit, why shouldn't they be allowed to carry in school?
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Not every teacher needs a gun, I agree....... But, if a teacher has already been vetted and has a valid CCW permit, why shouldn't they be allowed to carry in school?
I cannot answer this. I am torn here. The gun advocate, person shooting of 20 years, says "Sure! This is a great idea! This will deter some from considering it." The parent in me says that I need people who are directly accountable for their weapon. This isn't a range or in public. You are surrounded by children who will be curious of it. If they aren't exposed at home to weapons it may create problems.
I don't know anymore...
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I cannot answer this. I am torn here. The gun advocate, person shooting of 20 years, says "Sure! This is a great idea! This will deter some from considering it." The parent in me says that I need people who are directly accountable for their weapon. This isn't a range or in public. You are surrounded by children who will be curious of it. If they aren't exposed at home to weapons it may create problems.
I don't know anymore...
They call it 'concealed' for a reason.
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They call it 'concealed' for a reason.
The mere knowledge of a potentially armed individual in the school could dissuade some nut bags from trying...
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The mere knowledge of a potentially armed individual in the school could dissuade some nut bags from trying...
Yep.
It doesn't have to be all or many.... just the thought of a few.
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We have several auxiliary (unpaid police officers) officers at my department that would stand in at the school and keep their commissions up to date. Food for thought.
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We have several auxiliary (unpaid police officers) officers at my department that would stand in at the school and keep their commissions up to date. Food for thought.
Our schools here have on duty sheriffs deputies as school resource officers. Unfortunately the school board does not allow them to have their gun belt on during school hours, it must be in the office or in their car along with their rifle/shotgun.
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In San Antonio all of the school districts have there own police depts.
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Our schools here have on duty sheriffs deputies as school resource officers. Unfortunately the school board does not allow them to have their gun belt on during school hours, it must be in the office or in their car along with their rifle/shotgun.
Pause for assimilation.....................................
Nope.. Still don't know how to respond to that...
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My first reaction is "Well YEAH!!"
Then I remembered that they're mostly militant Teachers Union types.. Do you really want to arm them, too?..
Ask their Union to be in charge of it and you could probably consider it done..
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Teachers should NOT be allowed to carry in school. The very nature of a teacher is a detriment to the action which may be called for in an active shooter case.
There are plenty of qualified people such as retired police and veterans that would be glad to post up at a school, probably for free a few hours a day.
For those who are uncomfortable with guns there are other means of self-defense and strategic planning to prevent something like the recent shootings. My wife carries a Tazer C2 (shoots the darts 15') through the parking lot at the hospital she works. Pepper sprays inside the hospital are not welcome. The teacher could activate a flash-bag & then tear gas. All not lethal with little risk of permanent collateral damage. Have a panic button to turn on the sprinklers might even help to fog up the room. These are just brainstorm ideas that may or may not work but I would think there could be may others better than cowering in the corner waiting to be shot.
The threat may not be from gunfire. Firebombs, pipebombs, bladed weapons. The way the schools are now, the most dangerous implement for self-defense is a pencil or fire-extinguisher.
Posting qualified CCW permit holders at school who qualify on a range regularly but don't have the power of arrest. That way they don't get carried away and chase the perp down the block or trying to be LE. CCW is all about defense, not offense.
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"Yes" is at 56.31% now.. ;D
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I was able to get this to load up. Of course I voted yes. :)
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I guess we're not talking about defunding NPR anymore, huh..
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I guess we're not talking about defunding NPR anymore, huh..
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The poll is closed at 57.7 YES.......42.2 NO. Bet the results never make it to the airwaves, let alone guns to the classroom.