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Title: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: RTFM on March 04, 2013, 06:48:36 PM
Ripped off totally from CNS News

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/all-top-10-days-and-weeks-gun-purchases-have-come-under-obama

All Top 10 Days And Weeks For Gun Purchases Have Come Under Obama

February 2013 was the third highest month on record for background checks on Americans' purchasing firearms.
According to the FBI NICS database, there were 2,309,393 background checks completed in the month of February.

The only two months that saw a higher number of NICS checks were January 2013, with 2,495,440, and December of 2012, with 2,783,765.
The total number of background checks completed since November of 1998 (the month the FBI began tracking this information) is 165,279,535.

President Barack Obama, dubbed "The greatest gun salesman in history," has presided over 42 percent of these background checks, or a total of 68,898,629.

Also, the top ten highest days and weeks for background checks completed have occurred during Obama's presidency:

Top Ten Days:

Dec. 21, 2012, 177,170

Dec. 20, 2012, 159,604

Nov. 23, 2012, 154,873

Dec. 22, 2012, 153,697

Dec. 19, 2012, 153,672

Dec. 18, 2012, 134,691

Nov. 25, 2011, 129,166

Dec. 15, 2012, 128,823

Dec. 14, 2012, 113,022

Feb. 15, 2013, 112,650

 

Top Ten Weeks:

12/17/2012 - 12/23/2012, 953,613

01/14/2013 - 01/20/2013, 641,501

02/11/2013 - 02/17/2013, 618,361

01/07/2013 - 01/13/2013, 603,882

12/10/2012 - 12/16/2012, 602,003

02/04/2013 - 02/10/2013, 592,542

02/25/2013 - 03/03/2013, 565,699

02/18/2013 - 02/24/2013, 543,259

01/21/2013 - 01/27/2013, 541,822

12/03/2012 - 12/09/2012, 527,095

________________________________________________________


68,898,629. Can't you hear me knockin' BHO?
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: rojawe on March 04, 2013, 07:28:08 PM
He can't hear us he has been smoking the Obama weed and could care less in my opinion and I can't believe all the democraps follow him blindly and then you add the Rinos  Were screwed. Not Gun control it's people control and the minorities had better wake up
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Solus on March 04, 2013, 07:32:42 PM
I honestly don't think he really cares how many guns civilians have...maybe the more the better.

I do believe his goal is to destroy the country and I can't think of a better way than to pitch it into a civil war.

No matter which way the US troop lean, helping or fighting the citizens, BHO has the UN troops to call on and who knows what mix he might arrange for that invasion.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: JC5123 on March 04, 2013, 08:37:39 PM
Just a pondering thought on UN troops. The Japanese never invaded the mainland because they knew how many guns Americans had, and knew there weas no way they could take us on, on our own soil. We have seen that other countries have a better grasp on what is really happening in our country due to their media accurately reporting. Maybe they would come to the same conclusion?

Alright, I got that fantasy out of my system. Because the big difference between WWII and now is that in 1945 America still had a spine, and MOST still had a brain. Today we are a nation of fat, lazy, stupid slobs. Hmmm, not sure sheep is still an accurate term. Americans today more closely resemble a herd of cattle.

Going gleefully to the slaughter I might add.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Frosty on March 04, 2013, 08:50:53 PM
"O"No gets the top salesman award - two consecutive yrs. in a row!
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 04, 2013, 09:05:04 PM
I've said it before, talk of "UN Troops" is paranoid, uninformed idiocy.
Who supplies the man power ?
How do they get here, who pays for it ?
Have you ever stopped to think how many troops would be required ?
It took 70,000 US troops over a month to secure a rock called Iwo Jima.
The Germans invaded Russia with over 4 million men and never made it to Moscow.
The type of operation required to put a meaningful military force ashore on the US would cripple the world economy.
No matter what uniforms they wear any troops the may operate in the US will be Americans.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: BBJohnnyT on March 04, 2013, 09:12:15 PM
Our country is in serious trouble when the guns and ammunition in my safe have appreciated in value far more in 6 months than my retirement investments did over the past 4 years. I can't think of a greater indictment on this miserable, incompetent and destructive Administration, and the panic-based buying frenzy their policies have created.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: crusader rabbit on March 05, 2013, 06:57:29 AM
Our country is in serious trouble when the guns and ammunition in my safe have appreciated in value far more in 6 months than my retirement investments did over the past 4 years. I can't think of a greater indictment on this miserable, incompetent and destructive Administration, and the panic-based buying frenzy their policies have created.


+1
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 05, 2013, 08:49:37 AM
http://www.brunoshooters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=BSS

I was over at Bruno's Shooters Supply last week, picking up 8 pounds of IMR 4831. I tried calling for a half hour to make sure he had it in stock, but I couldn't get through. All I got was a busy signal. So I took the chance and drove over. The store only had 2 other people in it, but Bruno, his daughter, and both of his sons were all on the phone. He told me this is 10 times worse than the run after the 2008 election.

He had quite a lot of powder, primers, and bullets in stock, and the prices weren't too bad considering the insanity going on. I may go back and pick up a thousand Magnum Large Rifle Primers this week. Cabela's doesn't have anything on their shelves.

Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 05, 2013, 09:03:34 AM
I've said it before, talk of "UN Troops" is paranoid, uninformed idiocy.
Who supplies the man power ?
How do they get here, who pays for it ?
Have you ever stopped to think how many troops would be required ?
It took 70,000 US troops over a month to secure a rock called Iwo Jima.
The Germans invaded Russia with over 4 million men and never made it to Moscow.
The type of operation required to put a meaningful military force ashore on the US would cripple the world economy.
No matter what uniforms they wear any troops the may operate in the US will be Americans.

Very good point. This is what kills me when the MSM shows video clips of the North Korean Army marching around that little square in front of Kim Jong Il Jr., or whatever he calls himself. There is no way that country has the capability to move their army to a foreign shore to fight any type of battle. They wouldn't last a half hour, if they even made it. The logistics required to move an army, and keep it supplied are mind boggling.

Try to imagine what it costs the taxpayer to manufacture an MRE, ship it to Afghanistan, and deliver it to the field, and place it in the hands of one hungry troop. You could take him out for steak and lobster at the best restaurant in New York cheaper.
Add in the clothes, shoes and boots, guns, ammo, medicine, vehicles, aircraft, fuel, and you are talking billions of dollars a month. And that is assuming you have the system in place to even do it to begin with.

I don't care how much ammo this country's government buys, or vehicles. There is no way they could "take over" the United States. The logistics would be impossible. It would require an Army 100 times the size of what we now have. And that is assuming any and all of the troops would fire on their own people, and kill them. You would have more deserters than Iraq did in Desert Storm.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Solus on March 05, 2013, 09:21:38 AM
I've said it before, talk of "UN Troops" is paranoid, uninformed idiocy.
Who supplies the man power ?
How do they get here, who pays for it ?
Have you ever stopped to think how many troops would be required ?
It took 70,000 US troops over a month to secure a rock called Iwo Jima.
The Germans invaded Russia with over 4 million men and never made it to Moscow.
The type of operation required to put a meaningful military force ashore on the US would cripple the world economy.
No matter what uniforms they wear any troops the may operate in the US will be Americans.

That is all true if the goal is to conquer the US, but if it turns out that, say, only half the military is following BHO's orders, only enough fighters to ensure a destructive civil war would be needed.

A lot of feet on the ground would not be  needed either...just enough hardware to knock out major manufacturing centers.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 05, 2013, 09:36:57 AM
You have to remember the current population of the United States is over 310,000,000. That's a lot of people to try and change their behaviour. Especially when most of them are pissed off. The liberals hate guns, so they wouldn't last 5 minutes if they even had enough guts to support Hussein in a "Civil War". The Barbara Streisand's, Joy Behar's, and Sean Penn's of the world would be all hiding under their beds.

There is no way troops, not to mention military leaders, would support such action, let alone carry it out. Remember, we have an all volunteer army. They chose the military. And they didn't choose it to kill Americans. And if they tried to institute the draft in order to pull off such a fiasco, they would have so many draft dodgers it would make the 60's look pale in comparision. The entire thing is absurd, and nothing more than a wet dream, if even that, for Hussein.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: JC5123 on March 05, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
So far they seem to have no problem with killing and detaining American citizens without charge.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 05, 2013, 02:37:20 PM
So far they seem to have no problem with killing and detaining American citizens without charge.

Yes, but you can't compare whacking Anwar Al-Aulaqi with shooting half the population of Cedar Rapids, Iowa because they won't open their doors to have their weapons taken. One was relatively easy to accomplish. The other is an undertaking that is all but impossible.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 05, 2013, 02:51:58 PM
Yes, but you can't compare whacking Anwar Al-Aulaqi with shooting half the population of Cedar Rapids, Iowa because they won't open their doors to have their weapons taken. One was relatively easy to accomplish. The other is an undertaking that is all but impossible.

Yes, you can. especially if you factor in the Govt drone murder of his 16 Y/O son 2 weeks later.

That is all true if the goal is to conquer the US, but if it turns out that, say, only half the military is following BHO's orders, only enough fighters to ensure a destructive civil war would be needed.

A lot of feet on the ground would not be  needed either...just enough hardware to knock out major manufacturing centers.

You keep harping on this.
You're a fool.
The French could not even move forces to Mali with out US air lift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

Operation Barbarossa, or Case Barbarossa (German: Unternehmen Barbarossa), was the code name for Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union during the Second World War.[14][15] Beginning on 22 June 1941, over 4 million soldiers of the Axis powers invaded the USSR along a 2,900 km (1,800 mi) front,[16] the largest invasion in the history of warfare. In addition to troops, Barbarossa used 600,000 motor vehicles and 750,000 horses.[17] The ambitious operation was driven by Adolf Hitler's persistent desire to conquer the Soviet territories (as embodied in Generalplan Ost). It marked the beginning of the pivotal phase in deciding the victors of the war. The German invasion of the Soviet Union suffered and caused a high rate of fatalities: 95% of all German Army casualties that occurred from 1941 to 1944, and 65% of all Allied military casualties from the entire war.

That was across a land border and it FAILED simply because the area covered was to large compared to the forces involved.
US gun owners out number any 2 armies in the world COMBINED.
Quit trying to ignore reality, when shooting starts you will be shooting cops and soldiers you may know.
They will be no different than your neighbor who is voting the country down the toilet.
In fact it may be that neighbor.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 05, 2013, 02:59:15 PM
Yes, you can. especially if you factor in the Govt drone murder of his 16 Y/O son 2 weeks later.

Again, easy to accomplish. Ask yourself why Castro has outlived 10 U.S. Presidents?
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: JC5123 on March 05, 2013, 03:07:00 PM
Again, easy to accomplish. Ask yourself why Castro has outlived 10 U.S. Presidents?

Lack of willpower to whack him. However I believe that BHO HAS the will to come after us. We are in a cold war against the government. I think most of us right now are competing in an arms race and holding our breath, waiting for the next "shot heard round the world". The one that turns this current cold war hot. 
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Pathfinder on March 05, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
I've said it before, talk of "UN Troops" is paranoid, uninformed idiocy.
Who supplies the man power ?
How do they get here, who pays for it ?
Have you ever stopped to think how many troops would be required ?
It took 70,000 US troops over a month to secure a rock called Iwo Jima.
The Germans invaded Russia with over 4 million men and never made it to Moscow.
The type of operation required to put a meaningful military force ashore on the US would cripple the world economy.
No matter what uniforms they wear any troops the may operate in the US will be Americans.

All true if you consider an invasion in combat, like Iwo, Russia, Normandy, et al.

What happens, though, if they are invited in? I just read a story - on Facebook, so you know it has to be true!!!!!  ;D - about men traveling with one of DHS's new armored cars (1 of what was it, 2700?) on a flatbed truck, who all wore DHS uniforms with eagle insignia and who spoke with eastern European accents.

Forget the conspiracy stuff, importing foreign troops who do not have to fight their way in is a radically different story than an invasion in open combat.

And who would pay for it? We would, of course. Or rather, the .gov would.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: twyacht on March 05, 2013, 06:40:05 PM
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww36/MrNexx/wolverines.jpg)


This will not end well. The Japanese knew it, the Blue Helmets don't even have the belly to stop genocide in a third world rat hole.

Invited or not, when the body bags start going back to Europa, the snivelling broke and whiny folks will bring it to a screeching halt. Not even George Soros has enough money to buy the one's going to rural America to fulfill a "directive" against insurgents.

Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 05, 2013, 06:54:03 PM
All true if you consider an invasion in combat, like Iwo, Russia, Normandy, et al.

What happens, though, if they are invited in? I just read a story - on Facebook, so you know it has to be true!!!!!  ;D - about men traveling with one of DHS's new armored cars (1 of what was it, 2700?) on a flatbed truck, who all wore DHS uniforms with eagle insignia and who spoke with eastern European accents.

Forget the conspiracy stuff, importing foreign troops who do not have to fight their way in is a radically different story than an invasion in open combat.

And who would pay for it? We would, of course. Or rather, the .gov would.

It doesn't matter.
There are not enough available troops, ( troops not committed to other defensive duties by their own countries) to amount to a piss hole in the snow.
Everyone needs to face the reality that the future is not "Red Dawn" of the 1980's.
It will be Bosnia of the 1990's, or Kansas/Missouri of the 1850's.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 05, 2013, 07:50:47 PM
Lack of willpower to whack him. However I believe that BHO HAS the will to come after us.

It will take a lot more than "willpower" for Hussein to come after us. He is too lazy.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 05, 2013, 09:07:22 PM
Dream on.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Jrlobo on March 05, 2013, 10:13:06 PM
Hussein doesn't have to come for all of us at once. He only needs to demonstrate his willingness to do so and the willingness of the U.S. armed forces to back him up. Perhaps he secures the easy and necessary ones first, like Maryland. Adjacent to the HIS nation's capitol and with a large port (Baltimore), no way he'll let that state fall into the wrong hands. It's easy because we are so vastly outnumbered here by tories. There are other states that fall into the same category. He won't bother at first with the landlocked states that are hostile. But he may invite UN occupiers, peacekeepers to "protect" the friendly states, freeing up his loyal armed forces to address the real problem makers and areas. It really isn't necessary to conquer 310 million people all at once. No big invasion, just piecemeal actions to isolate, strangle and starve those bent on rebellion. Think of the millions of blacks who occupy our major cities, ports and industrial areas...they all voted for whom? Think of the millions of latinos, hispanics and PRs...they all voted for whom? Think of the millions of tories...they all voted for whom? Many have connections, especially hispanics, in foreign countries adjacent to the U.S., which they already have invaded successfully with 20 million "soldiers", just as if they were invited here to help us. With all theses demographics, Hussein figures that time is on his side so no need for him to rush. But he knows that his window of opportunity can close rapidly if he miscalculates the resolve of the American people and I think he will.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 06, 2013, 06:42:13 AM
You're giving this guy way too much credit. He's going to do what he's been doing for the last 4 1/2 years.....Nothing. Except of course raising taxes, giving speeches, and spending money he doesn't have. The only exception will be if he wins the House in 2014. Then he'll go crazy. That's the problem at hand, not "UN Peacekeepers".
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: JC5123 on March 06, 2013, 09:25:53 AM
Billt, while I normally tend to agree with you. I think you underestimate this guys desire and ambition to be dictator for life. The only way that will happen for him is by force. All of these little things, Indefinite detainment, Drone Strikes, Gun Confiscation. Taken by themselves is treasonous, taken together is an act of war.

You say the guy is lazy, but he has accomplished more than most presidents. It just happens that everything that he's accomplished has been REALLY bad. Now he is unrestrained from having to win another election? He has already shown that he doesn't care about congress. That's what executive orders are for. Sure they are illegal as hell, but no one has stopped him yet. So why would they now? As far as I'm concerned congress is irrelevant. Since no one has the balls to hold to their oath and hang this clown for treason. They are just as guilty as BHO. We are down to the last stand of our Constitutional Republic. What happens in the next couple years will determine whether or not we continue as a free society.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 06, 2013, 11:13:14 AM
Billt, while I normally tend to agree with you. I think you underestimate this guys desire and ambition to be dictator for life. The only way that will happen for him is by force. All of these little things, Indefinite detainment, Drone Strikes, Gun Confiscation. Taken by themselves is treasonous, taken together is an act of war.

You say the guy is lazy, but he has accomplished more than most presidents. It just happens that everything that he's accomplished has been REALLY bad. Now he is unrestrained from having to win another election? He has already shown that he doesn't care about congress. That's what executive orders are for. Sure they are illegal as hell, but no one has stopped him yet. So why would they now? As far as I'm concerned congress is irrelevant. Since no one has the balls to hold to their oath and hang this clown for treason. They are just as guilty as BHO. We are down to the last stand of our Constitutional Republic. What happens in the next couple years will determine whether or not we continue as a free society.

What he wants, and what he is actually capable of getting are two different things. No one has "stopped him" because there is nothing to stop. He couldn't get the sequester stopped, even though it was his idea. He is lazy, and shows zero leadership, except on the golf course. "Fast & Furious" blew up in his face. He can't seem to do anything right. Look at his "23 Executive Orders". They were a bunch of nothing. He didn't even ban AK's or the importation of foreign ammo, and he could of with the stroke of a pen. The only reason he is where he is, is because he gives out entitlements to the lazy and less affluent. That, and the fact the Republicans are idiots who can't get their act together.

This guys star is going to fall. It's only a matter of time. Now the gun community is steadfast against him, even the guys who were saying, "He doesn't want to take your guns!" I really doubt he would have been reelected if Sandy Hook would have taken place 6 months earlier.
 
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 06, 2013, 02:31:59 PM
You're living in a fools paradise.
He got his health care plan didn't he ?
He got re elected didn't he ?
He'll do what he wants.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 06, 2013, 02:44:51 PM
You're living in a fools paradise.
He got his health care plan didn't he ?
He got re elected didn't he ?
He'll do what he wants.

The health care plan that was passed was nowhere near what he wanted. He wanted a single payer plan. What he got is nothing like that. And remember, he had both a Democratic HOUSE and a Senate when he tried to pass it. It didn't matter, he had to beg, borrow, and steal, until he finally had to submit to what he got.

Now with Republicans controlling the House he'll get even less. What has his gun control amounted to? 23 "Orders" of nothing. It's doubtful that far left, liberal Feinstein's AWB will even be brought up for a vote. And the House is controlled BY DEMOCRATS.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: JC5123 on March 06, 2013, 02:58:24 PM
What he wants, and what he is actually capable of getting are two different things. No one has "stopped him" because there is nothing to stop.
 

Killing Americans on our home soil
Detention without charge
Spending our nation into oblivion
Obummercare
Funding terrorist states
Selling military hardware to known terrorist organizations
Gun Control
Taxpayer funded vacations
Executive Orders
Shall I go on?

Are you really saying that this is nothing and we should just go with it? Surely not?
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 06, 2013, 04:05:48 PM
Killing Americans on our home soil
Detention without charge
Spending our nation into oblivion
Obummercare
Funding terrorist states
Selling military hardware to known terrorist organizations
Gun Control
Taxpayer funded vacations
Executive Orders
Shall I go on?

Are you really saying that this is nothing and we should just go with it? Surely not?

I'm talking about all of this shooting the masses, civil war nonsense.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Jrlobo on March 06, 2013, 04:06:22 PM
billt,

      I try not to underestimate my enemies, nor overestimate my capabilities. It was Obama that suggested sequestration and perhaps he got what he really wanted. He has Americans pitted against Americans on gun control, perhaps just what he wants. He has Republicans pitted against Republicans, perhaps just what he wants. He has the poor pitted against the rich, perhaps just what he wants. He has hispanics and blacks pitted against caucasians, perhaps just what he wants. Chaos, after all, is the crucible of revolution, perhaps just what he wants. Obama himself may not be the brightest light bulb in the room, but his handlers aren't dumb. He's got us on the defensive, so very Pivenish of him. If we are so smart, why have we let lazy Obama do this to us?
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 06, 2013, 04:17:01 PM
billt,

      I try not to underestimate my enemies, nor overestimate my capabilities. It was Obama that suggested sequestration and perhaps he got what he really wanted. He has Americans pitted against Americans on gun control, perhaps just what he wants. He has Republicans pitted against Republicans, perhaps just what he wants. He has the poor pitted against the rich, perhaps just what he wants. He has hispanics and blacks pitted against caucasians, perhaps just what he wants.

We would have all of that with any other Democratic President. Substitute Hillary for him and what would be different? He's just another liberal Democrat. Americans have been arguing gun control before Obama was born. The haves have fought against the have nots since this country underwent the Industrial Revolution. The races have been fighting and arguing with each other since we moved west and displaced the Indians.

This whole "sequestration" thing is a bunch of nothing. What's $85 billion in relation to $1.5 TRILLION? Hussein is just making noise, and people are seeing how meaningless it all is. The sky isn't falling. He's actually made quite a fool of himself over this. This guys popularity has crested. There is nowhere for him to go but down. All the Republicans have to do is watch. He's starting to behave like a spoiled child. The media can only polish this turd just so much.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Solus on March 06, 2013, 07:05:59 PM
We would have all of that with any other Democratic President. Substitute Hillary for him and what would be different? He's just another liberal Democrat. Americans have been arguing gun control before Obama was born. The haves have fought against the have nots since this country underwent the Industrial Revolution. The races have been fighting and arguing with each other since we moved west and displaced the Indians.

This whole "sequestration" thing is a bunch of nothing. What's $85 billion in relation to $1.5 TRILLION? Hussein is just making noise, and people are seeing how meaningless it all is. The sky isn't falling. He's actually made quite a fool of himself over this. This guys popularity has crested. There is nowhere for him to go but down. All the Republicans have to do is watch. He's starting to behave like a spoiled child. The media can only polish this turd just so much.


There is a difference between Obama and other democratic presidents and candidates.

This is home for Hillary and the others.  What they want to do might be to change the country maybe so much so that it is a different country, but this is not BHO's home.  I believe he might be quite willing to start as big a civil war with as much destruction and ruin as he can.  He can use the Air Force to bring any troops/terrorists he can line up who are willing to help bring down the Great Satan.  Would the Air Force do that?  Maybe..  As TomB says, and I don't doubt it, we will be fighting troops and police who are our neighbors.  No reason to think the Air Force or Navy will be any more loyal to the American People than the Army, Marines or police. 

When the fires and going really well and hot, he could gather up his family and go home.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 06, 2013, 08:37:28 PM
I believe he might be quite willing to start as big a civil war with as much destruction and ruin as he can.

"Being willing" to do something, and accomplishing it are 2 completely different things. This guy isn't that great of an achiever.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Solus on March 07, 2013, 09:31:07 AM
"Being willing" to do something, and accomplishing it are 2 completely different things. This guy isn't that great of an achiever.

That is only true if his objectives are what you think they are.

The man has done more to divide this country, devastate the health care system, ruin the economy, severely weaken the moral and effectiveness of the military, boost our enemies and hinder our allies, triple the national debt and bring the country to the verge of bankruptcy and put our currency in imminent danger, than any president ever...and more than all of them combined in at least one of those categories.  

True, if you think his goal was to do good for the country or to achieve his stated goals, he hasn't accomplished much.

But if his goal was to do as much damage to the country as possible, he is right up there at the top of the class and it ain't over yet.

The more he fails at his attempts to do what would be considered good job, the more of his goals he achieves.

His goal isn't to win the civil war, it is to start it.....or to have us willingly become slaves.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 07, 2013, 10:08:30 AM
That is only true if his objectives are what you think they are.

The man has done more to divide this country, devastate the health care system, ruin the economy, severely weaken the moral and effectiveness of the military, boost our enemies and hinder our allies, triple the national debt and bring the country to the verge of bankruptcy and put our currency in imminent danger, than any president ever...and more than all of them combined in at least one of those categories.  

True, if you think his goal was to do good for the country or to achieve his stated goals, he hasn't accomplished much.

But if his goal was to do as much damage to the country as possible, he is right up there at the top of the class and it ain't over yet.

The more he fails at his attempts to do what would be considered good job, the more of his goals he achieves.

His goal isn't to win the civil war, it is to start it.....or to have us willingly become slaves.

This country was divided before he ever took office. He just gave the far left something to cheer about. The fact is this country has become totally stupid and reliant on government before he ever arrived on the scene. All of this was boiling to a head before he ever took office. Stupid people who believe in this guy are no more capable of fighting a civil war than they are of providing for themselves without government handouts. Civil Unrest because of Obama....Yes. Civil "War"..... No.

You have the "Occupy" movement as proof of that. Nothing more than a bunch of drug loving, disorganized, lazy idiots with no direction that just wanted to stir up trouble. As soon as it got cold out, they all went home. If Hussein & Company "paid" for that, they sure as hell didn't get their money's worth.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Solus on March 07, 2013, 10:15:25 AM
Well, Civil Unrest would lead to Martial Law, which would be grounds for suspending the next presidential election and I don't think it would take much after that to ignite Civil War.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: JC5123 on March 07, 2013, 10:25:40 AM
This country was divided before he ever took office. He just gave the far left something to cheer about. The fact is this country has become totally stupid and reliant on government before he ever arrived on the scene. All of this was boiling to a head before he ever took office. Stupid people who believe in this guy are no more capable of fighting a civil war than they are of providing for themselves without government handouts. Civil Unrest because of Obama....Yes. Civil "War"..... No.

You have the "Occupy" movement as proof of that. Nothing more than a bunch of drug loving, disorganized, lazy idiots with no direction that just wanted to stir up trouble. As soon as it got cold out, they all went home. If Hussein & Company "paid" for that, they sure as hell didn't get their money's worth.

Maybe not, but each time they get involved with something they keep ratcheting it up. Based on what I have seen I have no doubt that BHO is trying to incite some kind of mass violence in our country. His only major question mark is the reaction from our side. So far we haven't taken the bait. Every time the White House reaction is the same, "We haven't gone far enough." Which begs the question, how far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go? From what I have seen so far, I am willing to bet they will go all the way. The only variable I see at this point is whether or not enough Americans are willing to stand firm and meet the challenge.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Jrlobo on March 07, 2013, 11:26:46 AM
Do any of these rules apply to Obama? If so, he is following Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals", which I extracted from Wikipedia (a wiki-wiki source).

The rules

    RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
    RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
    RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
    RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
    RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
    RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
    RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
    RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
    RULE 10: "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
    RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
    RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
    RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: billt on March 07, 2013, 12:42:56 PM
While I tend to agree with this whole "What Obama wants" phylosophy, I doubt any of it will come to pass because any type of structured "war" requires enormus military planning on both sides. One only has to look at our own Civil War that was fought just 150 years ago. The North won because they had the majority of all the manufacturing, railroads, and resources that are required to make and wage war. The South did not.

We've all read in the history books how the South was melting down church bells in order to cast cannons and revolver frames. Yet, in spite of that they still had very good military leadership under Robert E. Lee, and several others. They fought a very good fight for what they had to fight it with.

Fast forward to today. All you've got is the far left extremists which encompasses less than 20% of the entire population. The majority of what's left are minorities, mostly living in the inner cities, who want the entitlement gravy train to keep rolling. When it stops is when they'll riot. That will last about as long as the "Occupy Movement" did, because they're one in the same....A bunch of lazy, disorganized idiots. Don't put too much faith in the military lining up on main street and exterminating civilians. Again, even if Obama "wants this", the odds of it happening in reality are slim to none.

Look at Greece, Spain, and Italy. Most of the disruption they face is disorganized rioters and students that fire up every few weeks on some street. They wind up getting tear gassed and water cannoned until they go home. Which is usually pretty quick. They are in much worse shape than we are. At least at the moment. It may get a little more violent when these big city pensions start defaulting. But as of now I'm not buying into a big Alex Jones or Glen Beck apocalypse scenario.
Title: Re: I hope this scares the $h!t out of them
Post by: Solus on March 07, 2013, 01:00:58 PM
I know, Bill.  I am "extending" the scenario to an extreme that might not be likely.  I say might not because I really don't know.

But one tactic in that scenario might be to target every major power plant, distribution center and as much of the power grid as possible and destroy it.

With the immigration policy we have endured in the past few years the most of the terrorists needed might be in country and working with maps and blueprints provided by government sources.  Or may not.

Any additional assistance might be airlifted in after martial law is declared.  Or they might not.

In any case, with the power grid severely damaged, neither side is going to be very effective at anything.

Time for the BHO family to pack up and go home.

Do I think this might be a scenario or alternative plan? Yes. 

Would I bet on it?  No.  Would I bet against it.  Same no.