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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on April 04, 2013, 07:04:56 AM
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"We Americans are not worried by the threats that North Korea have made. And we don't take them seriously at all" said Obama from a bunker somewhere in Europe.
so is Kim Jong Un and North Korea just talking crap or are we needing to worry..
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A number of possible explanations for Un's actions have been postulated by so-called knowledgeable pundits. The one that I think makes the most sense is that Un may be facing a coup if he doesn't behave in a forceful manner. That, and all his life he has been able to throw a tantrum and get his way.
That said, the little Korean butterball is also batshiat crazy, so there's no real telling what the piss-ant might do.
What we think is known is that the NorKor contingent does not have a nuclear warhead or a significantly powerful delivery system.
Oz should be safe.
The US Mainland should be safe.
Japan and SoKor may need to worry.
FWIW,
CrusaderRabbit
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i was wondering if it was more of a case of look what we can do..
i for one will be interested in seeing what BWHORE has to say or do about helping out..
That, and all his life he has been able to throw a tantrum and get his way.
I can't understand why people aren't taking North Korea and Kim Jong-Un seriously.
Who wouldn't take a short fat guy having a tantrum seriously?
That said, the little Korean butterball is also batshiat crazy, so there's no real telling what the piss-ant might do.
What we think is known is that the NorKor contingent does not have a nuclear warhead or a significantly powerful delivery system.
Oz should be safe.
The US Mainland should be safe.
Japan and SoKor may need to worry.
FWIW,
CrusaderRabbit
there was a thing in the news today about it and how far they can send them at the moment
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This is a bunch of sabre rattling by this little dog eater. They currently have no delivery system that could carry a nuclear payload to us. They would have all they could do to hit Japan. Even then it's a 70% chance it will end up in the ocean. But it would be a nice gift on our part to conduct a pre-emptive strike on his missle bases and nuclear facilities. Our guys could use the practice, and the camera footage would be fun to watch. 85% of that nation doesn't have electricity at night anyway. When the ISS flies over at night, they can make out N.K. by the dark outline. This could brighten things up a bit for them. At least temporarly.
I'm sick and tired of these little piss pot nations making noise.
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This is akin to worrying about a bunch of middle east, mud hut dwelling, camel riding jockeys coming to destroy "Merica.
He wants another handout, his people are starving, they trade with drugs, sea urchins and minerals. The country is the best example of failure and we are dumb enough to kick them money for playing nice.
They can't do squat.
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I think he is looking to go right into Peace Negotiations and bargain for Season NBA tickets for his favorite team. Or maybe a Season NBA Pass on cable/satellite.
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I think he is looking to go right into Peace Negotiations and bargain for Season NBA tickets for his favorite team. Or maybe a Season NBA Pass on cable/satellite.
Didn't Rodman spot him tickets while he was there?
I'm with CR on this. North Korea doesn't have the capability to do much more than shell the crap out of South Korea. Even in that event, we know where their artillery batteries are and could take most of them out within probably 24 hours. As far as reaching past Japan, they might be able to eek one into Alaska, and that's a BIG MIGHT.
UNLESS someone gives them the delivery system. That is my big fear. Our enemies, hell the entire world know we are not exactly on the best footing as a nation. Can any of you think of a better time to attack us? Russia, China, Pakistan, even a terrorist group. Any of these could give North Korea the equipment to get this done. Let the crazy little crackpot pull the trigger, and then be able to stand back and say "We didn't do it!" Meanwhile we've just been nuked, and now all of our resources have been diverted to licking our wounds and kicking the crap out of a country that no one cares about.
Maybe I've been reading too much Clancy. ::)
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He wants another handout, his people are starving, they trade with drugs, sea urchins and minerals. The country is the best example of failure and we are dumb enough to kick them money for playing nice.
They are also heavily involved in nation sponsered counterfieting of our $100.00 bills. They are of the highest quality the Secret Service has yet detected.
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This is getting serious, the French have already surrendered ::)
(http://navyphotos.togetherweserved.com/2269965.jpg)
I've gotten a lot of mileage out of that one today ;D
KSU is getting what he wants. The WH, through Hagel, has said that if he lowers tensions he'll get some aid. He gets the aid, and looks like he made the US and UN blink internally.
His MISSILE delivery systems may not reach mainland US, but anything in a back-pack would, carried by his friends from Tehran.
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Any one who claims they can predict how KJU will act or react is full of shit.
Even many in intelligence circles had never heard of him before he was named his fathers successor and since then there has not been enough interaction with him on which to base accurate predictions.
As for what he may do, it has been common knowledge for years that NK had nuclear weapons and their larger missles are able to hit Hawaii for sure and possibly the West coast .
DoD thinks the threat is serious enough to justify move missile defenses to Guam.
http://news.yahoo.com/u-send-missile-defenses-guam-over-north-korea-011546394.html
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Guam is a VERY long way from Hawaii or the West Coast, especially in terms of IRBMs and Ballistic Missile Defenses.
Yes, he's an unknown, but he's playing right from Dad and Grandpa's playbook. We've been here before. They've also pushed further with us directly (USS Pueblo's capture and the EC-121 shoot-down in 68-69) BEFORE they had nukes.
It doesn't matter HOW unstable KSU is, if he uses even a small nuke anywhere, his regime is over and he knows it. Even Big Brother China won't help him then.
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The kicker is "little Un" has run his mouth so much they have to do something to save face.....
Personally, I'd glaze Pyongyang with a couple of stealth bombers, some strikes to their nuke plant, missle silo's, depots, fuel,
and go home. They don't have much but a lot of infantry. No real airforce, so let the A-10's and Spectre gun ships deal with that aspect.
But with BHO and John Kerry (he served in Vietnam BTW,), and Chuck "baggy eyes" Hagel, what,....me worry?
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If he hit LA, or San Francisco I might vote for him.
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If he hit LA, or San Francisco I might vote for him.
Bhwaaaa.
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The kicker is "little Un" has run his mouth so much they have to do something to save face.....
Personally, I'd glaze Pyongyang with a couple of stealth bombers, some strikes to their nuke plant, missle silo's, depots, fuel,
and go home. They don't have much but a lot of infantry. No real airforce, so let the A-10's and Spectre gun ships deal with that aspect.
But with BHO and John Kerry (he served in Vietnam BTW,), and Chuck "baggy eyes" Hagel, what,....me worry?
Agreed, except an estimated 1 million infantry to our 450,000 (including SK army) even with air superiority is no laughing matter. Going to need more than just Spectre and Hogs.
My concern is if it goes kinetic but stays conventional, does China stay out or do they jump in feet first.
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If the Norks fight like its 1953 they will lose this time. There are too many container ships with Wal-Mart inventory coming to our ports on the left coast.
They need those container ships to maintain flow..
I did realize that there are at least two Ohio Class Nuke subs probably somewhere in the vicinity as well. Lot easier than Stealth Bombers out of Missouri.
IMHO, I think China treats the Norks as the red-headed step-child and let them run their mouth and take an ass whoopin. My remaining concern is OUR Admin.....
Someone needs to slap the snot out this little young man,....
History repeating itself it would seem.
Or Tom B. gets a history professorship... ;D
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I remember reading about the leader of the Swiss Armed Forces gave when a German diplomat asked him what his army of 500,000 (probably the entire male population of age) would do against the 1,000,000 strong German Army.
His answer was "Shoot twice"
We can let our air/naval support make up the difference.
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Agreed, except an estimated 1 million infantry to our 450,000 (including SK army) even with air superiority is no laughing matter. Going to need more than just Spectre and Hogs.
My concern is if it goes kinetic but stays conventional, does China stay out or do they jump in feet first.
Numbers don't tell the true story.
The North Korean Army is starving less than the population, but they are starving.
All those NK tanks ?
If it were not for the oil that South Korea has donated they would not move.
China ?
Does not want the refugees they are getting now, never mind the whole civilian population running toward the food.
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The North Korean Army is starving less than the population, but they are starving.
An army runs on it's stomach. Their's are small enough to gain weight on Nutri-System.
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No Problem look where our leader is he's out companying for Gun Control, Amnesty and obamacare and has no clue how to lead our country and when does his next vacation start.
His ass should be in DC directing this country and not companying against America and we have to look why the low level voters voted for the Food Stamp King.
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I worry less about what North Korea will do than I do about how BHO and his cadre of dingbats, dipsticks, surendering Suzies, and bat crap crazy advisors will react to it. Probably launch another round of "strongly worded letters" and embargos of shipments of Jenny Craig meals to the starving people of NK. :D
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No Problem look where our leader is he's out companying for Gun Control, Amnesty and obamacare and has no clue how to lead our country and when does his next vacation start.
His ass should be in DC directing this country and not companying against America and we have to look why the low level voters voted for the Food Stamp King.
That is according to his plan.
There is no doubt that his performance in office is pathetic....but were it to be what it should be, it would benefit and help America. That is not his plan.
He is doing a great job of bringing the country down...maybe the best at the job in history. All his ineptitude at handling what is vital to the survival of America is a credit to achievement.
When he is disposed, he will be able to leave with "Mission Accomplished" as his farewell parting shot.
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How can you guys be certain he can't reach the US? Like I trust our government to tell us the truth under BHO. And the assumption is to put a nuke on a US target....without the heat shield and associated gear that lightens the load for more distance. Furthermore, if they have limited numbers then a single EMP would make more sense because it would kill more people and cause more chaos than taking out...a couple of cities.
Also...who can be certain what some lower echelon guy might misinterpret thinking he was following the big guy's orders? Pop an EMP over Japan or take out one of their cities and then it gets real...nuke a couple of our ships and then what?
Gee, I have such confidence in how this will turn out with a bowing pu$$y in control of our nation. I sure hope he has not expelled, arrested or otherwise run away all the good guys in the military.
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Nuke a carrier and you take out at least 90 air craft and 5,000 US personnel . plus what ever damage is done to nearby escort ships .
EMP from an airburst would effectively destroy South Korea, Japan, or large portions of the US West Coast, depending on where it went off.
Mean while Obama would "go all French on them".
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Nuke a carrier and you take out at least 90 air craft and 5,000 US personnel . plus what ever damage is done to nearby escort ships .
EMP from an airburst would effectively destroy South Korea, Japan, or large portions of the US West Coast, depending on where it went off.
Mean while Obama would "go all French on them".
No he won't. Same way he reinforced our forces in the sandbox, as a show of strength before pulling out. Its not that he's wise or a patriot, its just that he learned the Carter lesson. You can't look weak abroad and have credibility at home. He doesn't give two shats about the young Un. And every President wants to be a War President. Plus, in wartime? The POTUS gets what he wants. Even if its for the wrong reasons, I think he'll do the right thing here. It works to his advantage. We're the ones who should be singing Kumbaya, as BO with War Powers is a scary thought.
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A long long time ago, there was a novel entitled "The Chinese Ultimatum". It postulated scenarios, albeit fictional, of the intricacies of strategy, warfare and seemingly unrelated diplomatic and political events. The strategy applies more today than back then. It was set in a macho era when all leaders were "men". Obama breaks that equation, however. As for the NKA, I always thought the great fear was from their artillery, both long and short range that are hidden in caves and only exposed to fire then to take cover in the caves. Besides, their skinny soldiers are hard to hit.
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A long long time ago, there was a novel entitled "The Chinese Ultimatum". It postulated scenarios, albeit fictional, of the intricacies of strategy, warfare and seemingly unrelated diplomatic and political events. The strategy applies more today than back then. It was set in a macho era when all leaders were "men". Obama breaks that equation, however. As for the NKA, I always thought the great fear was from their artillery, both long and short range that are hidden in caves and only exposed to fire then to take cover in the caves. Besides, their skinny soldiers are hard to hit.
Their artillery is scarier than their "maybe" nukes. Seoul is in range and they can turn it to rubble within hours. That's a no BS for real threat. We won't do the same to Pyonyang as killing tens of thousands of civilians isn't in our playbook, and they just don't give a shat. Its what they do every day to their own people.Its what makes this so complicated.
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Mean while Obama would "go all French on them".
I agree. He is one of those liberal bullies backed up by his liberal PC bully friends and a rabidly progressive socialist/communist news media. When his nose has blood on it and things get real he'll bow and scrape.
Thus far you and others have been "on the mark" with prognostications of what BHO would do and how he would perform. I have no confidence in BHO supporters being right this time.
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Their artillery is scarier than their "maybe" nukes. Seoul is in range and they can turn it to rubble within hours. That's a no BS for real threat. We won't do the same to Pyonyang as killing tens of thousands of civilians isn't in our playbook, and they just don't give a shat. Its what they do every day to their own people.Its what makes this so complicated.
Which is why we haven't "won" a war since 1945 when killing as many as needed was still in our playbook.
War, means fightin', and fightin' means killin'.
Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest, CSA
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Which is why we haven't "won" a war since 1945 when killing as many as needed was still in our playbook.
War, means fightin', and fightin' means killin'.
Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest, CSA
General Forrest's tactics were studied by the Nazi's and are claimed to be a foundation for the blitzkrieg as his battles were studied by the German military. He went in fast and light with a small force in an unconventional manner.
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General Forrest's tactics were studied by the Nazi's and are claimed to be a foundation for the blitzkrieg as his battles were studied by the German military. He went in fast and light with a small force in an unconventional manner.
Interesting to me that Forrest's name would come up.. He's a hero around here. I went to a school named for him, across the street from a monument where a little girl told him where to cross a creek.. They named the High School after her.. (Emma Sansom)..
BO is gutless.. He won't help an ally. He won't help himself. He damn sure won't help (our) nation.
He'll equivocate and apologize for being antagonistic, blaming the move on his advisers or the Pentagon (who will have acted without his authorization).. He'll say (rightly so) that the US can't afford a war, and do some sort of BS mea culpa.. Japan will buy a military machine, China and the UN will step in to broker a "peace", (aka reunification) and the whole world will realign, at which point, we will truly, no longer matter..
BO could maybe stand with the South if it meant he could nationalize everything and get to his end game. That's the only way I could see him act like he has a nationalistic core, albeit at somebody else's expense..
We'll see soon enough..
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General Forrest's tactics were studied by the Nazi's and are claimed to be a foundation for the blitzkrieg as his battles were studied by the German military. He went in fast and light with a small force in an unconventional manner.
Forest's tactics were pretty much standard cavalry tactics of the day.
The most famous description of his tactical thinking was "Get there firstest, with the mostest".
Speed of maneuver has always been the hall mark of the better Generals in history.
Forest may be well known in the South, but in the Northern papers he could not compare to the tenacity of Jacksons "Foot Cavalry",
or the audacity of Moseby's Rangers.
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Plus there is that unfortunate little KKK thing. I admire the man, but I do like Moseby.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Mosby
Mosby is famous for carrying out a daring raid far inside Union lines at the Fairfax County courthouse in March 1863, where his men captured three Union officers, including Brig. Gen. Edwin H. Stoughton. Mosby wrote in his memoirs that he found Stoughton in bed and roused him with a "spank on his bare back." Upon being so rudely awakened the general indignantly asked what this meant. Mosby quickly asked if he had ever heard of "Mosby". The general replied, "Yes, have you caught him?" "I am Mosby," the Confederate ranger said. "Stuart's cavalry has possession of the Court House; be quick and dress." Mosby and his 29 men had captured a Union general, two captains, 30 enlisted men, and 58 horses without firing a shot.[13][14]