Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: CurrieS103 on May 15, 2008, 09:14:41 AM
Give 'em hell Uncle Ted! Really good interview on NRA Radio/2008 SHOT Show with him. Those can be found on YouTube also. Has 3 maybe 4 parts.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: Rastus on May 24, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RMoq3t6zVNo
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on May 25, 2008, 07:52:12 PM
In many ways I resepect The nuggee... when it comes to his stance on CCW I DO NOT RECPECT HIM. Not for where he stands, but his applcation of where he stands... IE he is a "full time LEO" which I call BS on.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tumblebug on June 07, 2008, 02:45:42 PM
HE CRACKS ME UP but I can't help it being a D A REDNECK.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: cookie62 on June 07, 2008, 08:38:09 PM
In many ways I resepect The nuggee... when it comes to his stance on CCW I DO NOT RECPECT HIM. Not for where he stands, but his applcation of where he stands... IE he is a "full time LEO" which I call BS on.
I didn't hear him say he was a "full time LEO", and you don't have to be full time to carry nation wide.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: twyacht on June 07, 2008, 09:28:07 PM
" I don't like repeat offenders,,, I like dead offenders,,,"
No gray area in that one!
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 08, 2008, 01:11:28 AM
I also would like to hear what he does that you don't like.
Now I know he is crazy as a shit house rat... but.........he puts on no airs. He is strong on what he believes and NEVER wavers from that. Some of the 'ways" he goes about it is a bit on the wild and strange side.. but ya gotta admit.. he is what he is..and he gets his point cross. :o
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: BigSaucy on June 08, 2008, 04:50:17 PM
In the beginning of Rastus' youtube link Uncle Ted talks about being a sworn LEO for the past 32 years and he can carry nationwide because of House Resolution 218. He didn't mention anything about 24 hour LEO, that I heard, but one might take that as implied. The only thing that irritates me about that is my CCW should be good everywhere if it's good in my state (and vice versa)... I shouldn't be forced to become a sworn LEO to get nationwide CCW privileges.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 08, 2008, 05:26:25 PM
I also would like to hear what he does that you don't like.
Now I know he is crazy as a shit house rat... but.........he puts on no airs. He is strong on what he believes and NEVER wavers from that. Some of the 'ways" he goes about it is a bit on the wild and strange side.. but ya gotta admit.. he is what he is..and he gets his point cross. :o
Yes, Does anyone NOT understand where Ted stands on gun control ? Both political parties are trying to sweep us under the rug, the dems because every time they spout anti gun rhetoric they lose, and the republicans because they don't want to admit that they owe us. But with "In your face" advocates like Ted Nugent, they are forced to speak up, and if they try BS they get called on it.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 08, 2008, 05:35:11 PM
I also would like to hear what he does that you don't like.
Now I know he is crazy as a shit house rat... but.........he puts on no airs. He is strong on what he believes and NEVER wavers from that. Some of the 'ways" he goes about it is a bit on the wild and strange side.. but ya gotta admit.. he is what he is..and he gets his point cross. :o
What I don't like is some one using a loop hole in the law, to get what they want. I do like, him becuase he says what he thinks, I just don't like what he does when it comes to CCWs.
As far as the post about CCWs being good anywhere, I disagree with that aswell. Not only from a USCONs of states rights, but from a pratical side... tell me, do you know every single state law when it comes to where and when its illegal to carry?
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 08, 2008, 05:41:04 PM
What I don't like is some one using a loop hole in the law, to get what they want. I do like, him becuase he says what he thinks, I just don't like what he does when it comes to CCWs.
As far as the post about CCWs being good anywhere, I disagree with that aswell. Not only from a USCONs of states rights, but from a pratical side... tell me, do you know every single state law when it comes to where and when its illegal to carry?
Not a relevant point. Federal law ALWAYS take precedence, That was the whole point of the Civil War. If the FEDERAL government says I can carry anywhere in the US then your state laws are irrelevant. Any law students here to verify this ?
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 08, 2008, 05:59:27 PM
in this case its a states rights...
10 Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 08, 2008, 07:30:28 PM
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Like Highway regulations ? Such as that swine carters MANDATORY 55 ? How ever the feds would over ride that by citing the 2A (when it suits their purpose) "Shall NOT be infringed", Thats Constitution, It's Federal so has precedence, and it's been on the books longer, which I THINK adds to the validity of the precedent. Of course this is just theoretical.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: cookie62 on June 08, 2008, 07:43:48 PM
What I don't like is some one using a loop hole in the law, to get what they want. I do like, him becuase he says what he thinks, I just don't like what he does when it comes to CCWs.
Some might consider it a "loop hole", but for some like me who live in a state without CCWs its the only way I can leagaly carry. Loop hole or not it keeps me and my family safe.
Steve Part-time LEO
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 08, 2008, 07:49:00 PM
a big part of the prob is there are several other parts of the USCONS that trump the "Bill of Rights" all of our rights have resitrictions.
using the federal highway system is a privalage, not a right.
Most of the "medical pot" guys like to tump thier state laws saying its legal... In this case federal superseeds the state law, why?
It has to do with how they outlawed drugs... they placed a tax stamp( the NFA stamp is the same deal) only they never releasted any of the stamps... this has been upheld several times in the court system. Since the federal gov is using a power that is expressly given to them, that being the power to tax.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 08, 2008, 07:53:06 PM
Some might consider it a "loop hole", but for some like me who live in a state without CCWs its the only way I can leagaly carry. Loop hole or not it keeps me and my family safe.
Steve Part-time LEO
Thats an issue you need to take up with your state, not use a federal law to bipass a state one.
While my state allows CCWs, my sherriff will not issuse them unless your a LEO, retired LEO, work for the DOJ or gave larage ammounst of cash to thier relection fund.( in fact recently he was nailed giving out permits to people that were prohibated from even owning guns, but had given thousands to him)
It also needs to be said, that if you beleave the only thing that will protect you and your family is a gun, chances are it won't.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 08, 2008, 08:09:04 PM
Thats an issue you need to take up with your state, not use a federal law to bipass a state one.
While my state allows CCWs, my sherriff will not issuse them unless your a LEO, retired LEO, work for the DOJ or gave larage ammounst of cash to thier relection fund.( in fact recently he was nailed giving out permits to people that were prohibated from even owning guns, but had given thousands to him)
It also needs to be said, that if you beleave the only thing that will protect you and your family is a gun, chances are it won't.
FIRE EXTINGUISHER and gun will though ;D One question though TAB, Why do you think the loophole is there in the first place. Besides, you can always do like I did and get the heck OUT of Ca.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 08, 2008, 08:21:07 PM
Simple. I beleave LEO should not be a class, its an ouccpation...They should have to go thru the same process as every one else. In other words, if the average person can not get one, a leo should not get one.
Also for the same reason why I don't think CCWs should be good in every state... the laws change from state to state, not only on where and when, but who.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: Rastus on June 08, 2008, 09:49:54 PM
From what I've seen, if we put proficiency requirements out there, real requirements, a significant portion of the police force would have to be disarmed. Not the guys you bump into at competitions or training at places like Gunsite or USSA (you never know who your instructor will be....or classmate)! Not to turn things around, but prohibiting CCW anywhere is in my book going against the 2nd Ammendment.
We should not need another federal law to allow us to do something we should already be able to do.
My belief is that I am the person/entity most responsible for protecting my family....not the state. What we have here in the US are a bunch of people who have abdicated their rights and who would watch their family being terrorized or killed just because they were, at least at some point, afraid of breaking a law. I mean c'mon, look at who they are supporting for President.
Obeying laws are fine....but if I say, and I do, that I am willing to die to protect my family, then me going down for some miscreant law designed to placate the sheep is just fine with me. If going to prison or the chair is what it takes to keep my family alive then you will for sure know I mean what I say. I don't know any man who says he wouldn't die for his family (but we all know better than that) I'm not saying die stupid, but sacrifice is called for every now and then. So in the light of sacrificing one's self for their family...why is the fear of prosecution such a big deal if the situation demanded action?
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 08, 2008, 11:19:14 PM
Simple. I beleave LEO should not be a class, its an ouccpation...They should have to go thru the same process as every one else. In other words, if the average person can not get one, a leo should not get one.
Also for the same reason why I don't think CCWs should be good in every state... the laws change from state to state, not only on where and when, but who.
You sound like the dog in the manger TAB. I cant carry nation wide so NO ONE should be able to carry nation wide. BULL. You are approaching it from the wrong direction. Used to be NO ONE could carry nation wide, now LEO's can, it's a start. Besides, considering you live in the Sacramento area you probably can't carry any where, my NH permit is good in like 10 or 20 states. Like I said it's a start. And as for your other beef, laws vary, so what, so do traffic laws, some states you can turn right on red after a stop as long as there is no sign saying not to, Ca. allows U turns, NH does not. It sounds like sour grapes to me.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 08, 2008, 11:41:43 PM
You sound like the dog in the manger TAB. I cant carry nation wide so NO ONE should be able to carry nation wide. BULL. You are approaching it from the wrong direction. Used to be NO ONE could carry nation wide, now LEO's can, it's a start. Besides, considering you live in the Sacramento area you probably can't carry any where, my NH permit is good in like 10 or 20 states. Like I said it's a start. And as for your other beef, laws vary, so what, so do traffic laws, some states you can turn right on red after a stop as long as there is no sign saying not to, Ca. allows U turns, NH does not. It sounds like sour grapes to me.
there is a big diffrence between a infraction( ticket) and a felony.
your right about if the average person can't, then a leo should not be able to. Do you really think all of the LEO groups that are behind gun control would still be behind them if they applied to them?
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: Rastus on June 09, 2008, 06:37:25 AM
............Do you really think all of the LEO groups that are behind gun control would still be behind them if they applied to them?
There ya' go....dead on. I've often thought these "targeted laws" like gun control, dumb OSHA laws (not all), environmental laws (not all), were applied equally to everyone there would be a positive effect...as in waking up sheep. At least they would want a different sheep herder.
For instance, while I worked offshore we were allowed to put a little bit of oil in the water by design...that level about 1 shot glass of oil mixed in a tanker truck amount of water or our behinds were grass. Outboard motors dirtied up the water far more than that. And rich peoples yachts...a heck of a lot more than an outboard...ever notice that sheen behind a boat? And, oh yeah, you know how a lot of those millionaires save money, instead of having the oil changed back at the marina, they'd just drain it in their bilge, mix it with Dawn soap and pump it overboard...still do. For that matter, how much oil and gas washes away from a filling station with every rain...a lot more than is put overboard offshore from a typical platform and no reprecussions.....
I am not saying to not make persons or companies responsible for taking advantage of a situation. My point...make the laws apply equally to everyone, enforce the laws equally and watch them go away.....
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 09, 2008, 06:56:34 AM
your preaching to choir about enviro laws...
I a certifed gross polluter, as such I have permits, certs, lic, ins, and bonds... I also have 10s of thousands in "equipment".
Yet I am very limited on the ammount and kind of solvents I can use. Any guy can walk into any hard ware/ paint store and buy things that I can not. Even just a normal contractor can buy stuff I can't. they can spray stuff it homes that I would be fined in the 5 digets for if I sprayed it in my booth.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: Rastus on June 09, 2008, 10:02:33 PM
You mean like Methyl-ethyl-ketone and such? :D
Maybe a little bit of Draino, or hydroflouric acid, etc., etc....?
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 10, 2008, 01:46:18 AM
here is a run down on the max ammounts of solvents I can use per year
5 gallons of laq thiner 15 gallons of mineral spirts( which for cleaning brushes is not alot) 1 quart, of mek 1 gallon of actone. There are a several other chemicals that are part or addatives to those above that is limited not in volume but it wieght. Some of it is litterly less then a fluid oz. not to mention there is alot of stuff I can't even touch. now whats funny is thats just what I can use in my booth... I can spray an unlimited ammount of sovlents in a open air... it makes gun laws look simple.
I can how ever use a unlimited ammount of alky. now john Q publec is litmed to 40 gallons of sovlents combined per year.
what really kills me is the VOC limits, all the better products are several times the limits I can legally spray in my booth... yet you can spray them inside of a house.
there are products I can buy in a dry kit form, and mix the solvent with them on the job site, but I can't buy them pre mixed... ::)
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 10, 2008, 02:04:57 AM
here is a run down on the max ammounts of solvents I can use per year
5 gallons of laq thiner 15 gallons of mineral spirts( which for cleaning brushes is not alot) 1 quart, of mek 1 gallon of actone. There are a several other chemicals that are part or addatives to those above that is limited not in volume but it wieght. Some of it is litterly less then a fluid oz. not to mention there is alot of stuff I can't even touch. now whats funny is thats just what I can use in my booth... I can spray an unlimited ammount of sovlents in a open air... it makes gun laws look simple.
I can how ever use a unlimited ammount of alky. now john Q publec is litmed to 40 gallons of sovlents combined per year.
what really kills me is the VOC limits, all the better products are several times the limits I can legally spray in my booth... yet you can spray them inside of a house.
there are products I can buy in a dry kit form, and mix the solvent with them on the job site, but I can't buy them pre mixed... ::)
I did some painting in my last job, How the h3ll can you stay in business ? I went through about 4 gallons of thinner in 4 months. 15 gallons of Mineral spirit would not even 1/2 fill our parts washer. I don't mean to be a smart a$$ at all but it stinks to be in your shoes. Is there any way you can move to another state and have the parts shipped to you ? or would increased cost keep you from being competitive ? We may disagree ON TOPIC but dude I feel for you on this. These types of agravation are why I work for "The other guy" He may make more but I don't have an ulcer.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: Rastus on June 10, 2008, 06:56:06 AM
Well, it all boils down to politicians making a show (and sucking $'s). They go out and tell their sheep that they are doing something great and mighty, then they hang a few poor hard working dudes and suck in the $'s. It's about the votes....they know if they had the law apply to the sheep that 1) they would alienate their voters 2) it would be impossible to police.
I know your regulations include paying for permits and licenses as well as training. Yet the sheep can go out and buy this stuff by the tons as there is no viable tracking system for this.
Slight rant....seems along the Texas-Louisiana Gulf Coast the USCG is being misused and their primary mission is hammering companies for oil spills. Any visible sheen must reported...if an oilfield worker or transportation company sees a sheen they have to report it or face fines and worse. After hurricane Katrina, I had them come back with aerial pictures and accuse me of several unreported spills that drifted through our fields that we had reported (blamed on someone else) to stay in compliance. The USCG had taken samples and fingerprinted the oil and were charging us massive fines saying we were the source. We had to hire a bunch of lawyers because it wasn't our oil.... Nevermind the fingerprint said it was not our oil as their aerial photos (had those to) caught it drifting in our field (dang good thing we reported it). Game is they say it's you the truth be damned and you are guilty as sin....none of this innocent until proven guilty stuff even when you can prove you are innocent. You have to pay the fine(s) (to stay out of jail) then fight it in the courts....doesn't work the other way around.
Now the thing about the oil spills, we lost our entire tanker fleet that existed at the start of WWII off the Gulf Coast to German subs. That information is still tight-holed, but it did happen. There were blimp bases up and down the coast to support the blimps that found them and turned the tide. Point is...that's what the USCG's primary mission (defending U.S.) is and all that oil washed ashore. The old timers talk about walking in the oily muck (people off Louisiana's coast were paid to search for tanker survivors), yet there is no long term damage. I don't like spills, but all that concrete and urban sprawl is more permament and damaging than an oil spill.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: cookie62 on June 10, 2008, 09:57:55 PM
the reason a LEO can and do (most LEOs) carry offduty is because if you put some dirt bag away, when he gets out you and your family can become a target of revenge. If they know you are unarmed it puts that officer in more danger. As far as the nationwide ccw is concerned, it was passed because they saw a need to have more people out there. Hopefully it will lead to a national ccw for all who have a permit to carry. Sometimes you have to take it one step at a time. Pollitical winds blow back and forth. If we can get the right people in office maybe we can get it blowing our way.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 10, 2008, 10:40:17 PM
trust me the same LEO groups that wanted CC for off duty officers nation wide will be against it for every one else.
There are alot of other professions that are at risk or more so then a LEO when it comes to people coming after them. what about them?
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 11, 2008, 02:18:55 AM
trust me the same LEO groups that wanted CC for off duty officers nation wide will be against it for every one else.
There are alot of other professions that are at risk or more so then a LEO when it comes to people coming after them. what about them?
Use them as an arguement for the next step, thats what about them. This is all just kicking around thoughts now, but it becomes less theoreticle after the Supreme Court dicision the end of this month. Then we will either have more ammo to work with or we will have to fight to hold the ground we HAVE.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: TAB on June 11, 2008, 02:22:20 AM
I really doubt we will have more ammo after heller comes down.
Chance are they will make a very narrow ruling that only applys to DC. depening on how they worde it, it may or may not be usable for place like chicago. I would not get your hopes up.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 11, 2008, 02:49:01 AM
It is what you MAKE of it.
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: ronrdrcr on July 02, 2008, 04:34:20 AM
There ya' go....dead on. I've often thought these "targeted laws" like gun control, dumb OSHA laws (not all), environmental laws (not all), were applied equally to everyone there would be a positive effect...as in waking up sheep. At least they would want a different sheep herder.
For instance, while I worked offshore we were allowed to put a little bit of oil in the water by design...that level about 1 shot glass of oil mixed in a tanker truck amount of water or our behinds were grass. Outboard motors dirtied up the water far more than that. And rich peoples yachts...a heck of a lot more than an outboard...ever notice that sheen behind a boat? And, oh yeah, you know how a lot of those millionaires save money, instead of having the oil changed back at the marina, they'd just drain it in their bilge, mix it with Dawn soap and pump it overboard...still do. For that matter, how much oil and gas washes away from a filling station with every rain...a lot more than is put overboard offshore from a typical platform and no reprecussions.....
I am not saying to not make persons or companies responsible for taking advantage of a situation. My point...make the laws apply equally to everyone, enforce the laws equally and watch them go away.....
Working in the Coast Guard Command Center in St. Petersburg, I learned a lot about the pollution laws and what is allowed and what isn't. Anytime soap is mixed with oil it is a major fine. Dumping soap into water to clean up a mess of oil just spreads the oil out more. The rich people in their yachts with a sheen behind them do get fined, when they are caught. We can't catch all of them because we can't be everywhere at once. That is where you come in. If you spot an oil sheen behind a vsl or near one, call the National Response Center at 1-800-424-8802 or 877-24WATCH. They will ask some questions and forward the report to all involved agencies. The Coast Guard will respond immediately if it is in our jurisdiction. Sorry, just had to throw that in here.
I honestly believe the 2nd ammendment gives me the right to bear arms anywhere I am. It says nothing about restricting my right to my home or property. I should be able to carry concealed anywhere in the U.S. without a CCW, for my personal protection.
Ron
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: Ruger-55 on July 03, 2008, 07:21:12 PM
;D shit house rat ??????? lol lol lol lol lol god i have tears coming out of my eyes.........
Title: Re: Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy
Post by: tumblebug on July 04, 2008, 03:10:51 PM
And become a polution NAZI ratting on my brothers up your's./.,;HEAD