Ted Nugent on gun control, the police, and Ted Kennedy

[TAB]

Simple. I beleave LEO should not be a class, its an ouccpation...They should have to go thru the same process as every one else.  In other words, if the average person can not get one, a leo should not get one.

Also for the same reason why I don't think CCWs should be good in every state... the laws change from state to state, not only on where and when, but who.

[Rastus]

From what I've seen, if we put proficiency requirements out there, real requirements, a significant portion of the police force would have to be disarmed.   Not the guys you bump into at competitions or training at places like Gunsite or USSA (you never know who your instructor will be....or classmate)!  Not to turn things around, but prohibiting CCW anywhere is in my book going against the 2nd Ammendment.

We should not need another federal law to allow us to do something we should already be able to do.

My belief is that I am the person/entity most responsible for protecting my family....not the state.  What we have here in the US are a bunch of people who have abdicated their rights and who would watch their family being terrorized or killed just because they were, at least at some point, afraid of breaking a law.  I mean c'mon, look at who they are supporting for President.

Obeying laws are fine....but if I say, and I do, that I am willing to die to protect my family, then me going down for some miscreant law designed to placate the sheep is just fine with me.  If going to prison or the chair is what it takes to keep my family alive then you will for sure know I mean what I say.  I don't know any man who says he wouldn't die for his family (but we all know better than that) I'm not saying die stupid, but sacrifice is called for every now and then.  So in the light of sacrificing one's self for their family...why is the fear of prosecution such a big deal if the situation demanded action?

[tombogan03884]

Simple. I beleave LEO should not be a class, its an ouccpation...They should have to go thru the same process as every one else.  In other words, if the average person can not get one, a leo should not get one.

Also for the same reason why I don't think CCWs should be good in every state... the laws change from state to state, not only on where and when, but who.

You sound like the dog in the manger TAB. I cant carry nation wide so NO ONE should be able to carry nation wide. BULL.  You are approaching it from the wrong direction. Used to be NO ONE could carry nation wide, now LEO's can, it's a  start. Besides, considering you live in the Sacramento area you probably can't carry any where, my NH permit is good in like 10 or 20 states. Like I said it's a start. And as for your other beef, laws vary, so what, so do traffic laws, some states you can turn right on red after a stop as long as there is no sign saying not to, Ca. allows U turns, NH does not. It sounds like sour grapes to me.

[TAB]

You sound like the dog in the manger TAB. I cant carry nation wide so NO ONE should be able to carry nation wide. BULL.  You are approaching it from the wrong direction. Used to be NO ONE could carry nation wide, now LEO's can, it's a  start. Besides, considering you live in the Sacramento area you probably can't carry any where, my NH permit is good in like 10 or 20 states. Like I said it's a start. And as for your other beef, laws vary, so what, so do traffic laws, some states you can turn right on red after a stop as long as there is no sign saying not to, Ca. allows U turns, NH does not. It sounds like sour grapes to me.

there is a big diffrence between a infraction( ticket) and a felony.   

your right about if the average person can't, then a leo should not be able to.    Do you really think all of the LEO groups that are behind  gun control would still be behind them if they applied to them?     

[Rastus]

............Do you really think all of the LEO groups that are behind  gun control would still be behind them if they applied to them?     

There ya' go....dead on.  I've often thought these "targeted laws" like gun control, dumb OSHA laws (not all), environmental laws (not all), were applied equally to everyone there would be a positive effect...as in waking up sheep.  At least they would want a different sheep herder. 

For instance, while I worked offshore we were allowed to put a little bit of oil in the water by design...that level about 1 shot glass of oil mixed in a tanker truck amount of water or our behinds were grass.  Outboard motors dirtied up the water far more than that.  And rich peoples yachts...a heck of a lot more than an outboard...ever notice that sheen behind a boat?  And, oh yeah, you know how a lot of those millionaires save money, instead of having the oil changed back at the marina, they'd just drain it in their bilge, mix it with Dawn soap and pump it overboard...still do.  For that matter, how much oil and gas washes away from a filling station with every rain...a lot more than is put overboard offshore from a typical platform and no reprecussions.....

I am not saying to not make persons or companies responsible for taking advantage of a situation.  My point...make the laws apply equally to everyone, enforce the laws equally and watch them go away.....

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[TAB]

your preaching to choir about enviro laws...


I a certifed gross polluter, as such I have permits, certs, lic, ins, and bonds... I also have 10s of thousands in "equipment".

Yet I am very limited on the ammount and kind of solvents I can use.  Any guy can walk into any hard ware/ paint store and buy things that I can not.  Even just a normal contractor can buy stuff I can't.   they can spray stuff it homes that I would be fined in the 5 digets for if I sprayed it in my booth.

[Rastus]

You mean like Methyl-ethyl-ketone and such? 

Maybe a little bit of Draino, or hydroflouric acid, etc., etc....?

[TAB]

here is a run down on the max ammounts of solvents I can use per year

5 gallons of laq thiner
15 gallons of mineral spirts( which for cleaning brushes is not alot)
1 quart, of mek
1 gallon of actone.
There are a several other chemicals that are part or addatives to those above that is limited not in volume but it wieght.  Some of it is litterly less then a fluid oz.   not to mention there is alot of stuff I can't even touch.  now whats funny is thats just what I can use in my booth... I can spray an unlimited ammount of sovlents in a open air...  it makes gun laws look simple.

I can how ever use a unlimited ammount of alky.
now john Q publec is litmed to 40 gallons of sovlents combined per year.


what really kills me is the VOC limits, all the better products are several times the limits I can legally spray in my booth... yet you can spray them inside of a house.

there are products I can buy in a dry kit form, and mix the solvent with them on the job site, but I can't buy them pre mixed...

[tombogan03884]

here is a run down on the max ammounts of solvents I can use per year

5 gallons of laq thiner
15 gallons of mineral spirts( which for cleaning brushes is not alot)
1 quart, of mek
1 gallon of actone.
There are a several other chemicals that are part or addatives to those above that is limited not in volume but it wieght.  Some of it is litterly less then a fluid oz.   not to mention there is alot of stuff I can't even touch.  now whats funny is thats just what I can use in my booth... I can spray an unlimited ammount of sovlents in a open air...  it makes gun laws look simple.

I can how ever use a unlimited ammount of alky.
now john Q publec is litmed to 40 gallons of sovlents combined per year.


what really kills me is the VOC limits, all the better products are several times the limits I can legally spray in my booth... yet you can spray them inside of a house.

there are products I can buy in a dry kit form, and mix the solvent with them on the job site, but I can't buy them pre mixed...

I did some painting in my last job, How the h3ll can you stay in business ? I went through about 4 gallons of thinner in 4 months.
15 gallons of Mineral spirit would not even 1/2 fill our parts washer.
I don't mean to be a smart a$$ at all but it stinks to be in your shoes. Is there any way you can move to another state and have the parts shipped to you ? or would increased cost keep you from being competitive ?
We may disagree ON TOPIC but dude I feel for you on this. These types of agravation are why I work for "The other guy" He may make more but I don't have an ulcer.

[Rastus]

Well, it all boils down to politicians making a show (and sucking $'s).  They go out and tell their sheep that they are doing something great and mighty, then they hang a few poor hard working dudes and suck in the $'s.  It's about the votes....they know if they had the law apply to the sheep that 1) they would alienate their voters 2) it would be impossible to police.

I know your regulations include paying for permits and licenses as well as training.  Yet the sheep can go out and buy this stuff by the tons as there is no viable tracking system for this. 

Slight rant....seems along the Texas-Louisiana Gulf Coast the USCG is being misused and their primary mission is hammering companies for oil spills.  Any visible sheen must reported...if an oilfield worker or transportation company sees a sheen they have to report it or face fines and worse.  After hurricane Katrina, I had them come back with aerial pictures and accuse me of several unreported spills that drifted through our fields that we had reported (blamed on someone else) to stay in compliance.  The USCG had taken samples and fingerprinted the oil and were charging us massive fines saying we were the source.  We had to hire a bunch of lawyers because it wasn't our oil....  Nevermind the fingerprint said it was not our oil as their aerial photos (had those to) caught it drifting in our field (dang good thing we reported it).  Game is they say it's you the truth be damned and you are guilty as sin....none of this innocent until proven guilty stuff even when you can prove you are innocent.  You have to pay the fine(s) (to stay out of jail) then fight it in the courts....doesn't work the other way around.

Now the thing about the oil spills, we lost our entire tanker fleet that existed at the start of WWII off the Gulf Coast to German subs.  That information is still tight-holed, but it did happen.  There were blimp bases up and down the coast to support the blimps that found them and turned the tide.  Point is...that's what the USCG's primary mission (defending U.S.) is and all that oil washed ashore.  The old timers talk about walking in the oily muck (people off Louisiana's coast were paid to search for tanker survivors), yet there is no long term damage.  I don't like spills, but all that concrete and urban sprawl is more permament and damaging than an oil spill.