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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: JLawson on October 20, 2013, 12:53:27 PM
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From the article:
The gun parts manufacturer Magpul Industries made headlines six months ago when it threatened to leave Colorado in protest of its new gun laws, but is still in its same location in Boulder County.
And many of its customers and supporters aren’t too happy about it.
“Hmmm. I hope I am wrong, but I’m starting to feel dumb for buying a bunch of your stuff to support your company during your move and beyond,” Arizona customer Michael Franklin wrote on the company’s Facebook page last week. “What happened to the principles you were passionate about?”
Six months? Is that enough time to move a company?
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/18/magpul-still-in-colorado-customers-starting-to-get-irked/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/18/magpul-still-in-colorado-customers-starting-to-get-irked/)
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I'd say no.
How many folks could move to a new house in 6 months...some probably if the circumstances were dire...
But I bet most would like that time to find the best buy in the best place where they want to move...once they have decided where it is they want to move.
Then they might want some time to get top dollar for the property they are leaving.
And they might want to be sure all working members of the family have a chance to find decent jobs...and the kids get spots in decent schools...
Given a choice, I'd say most folks would find the 6 months very beneficial.
I can only think a company would need more time than that.
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Six months? Is that enough time to move a company?
As Solus pointed out, they need a place to go first...then finance it, etc., etc.
I could easily move in six months but I'm not a company.
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you would be lucky to just find a location to fit your needs in 6 months. In town. Out of state it would be worse.
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now that i think about it, there is still tons of ex manufactoring space in central or. It use to be building materials, coachs(rv) and other smaller industrys. Still several million sqft empty. Might be a good place to relocate *wink* does anyone know how big their factory is?
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Another thing to keep in mind is that they deal in plastic products, there are a butt load of EPA regulations they need to comply with, paperwork, environmental studies etc. etc .
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It has been on the news here pretty frequently in the last few months, Gillette, WY has been lobbying them HARD to move there. I know people from both the city council (including the mayor) and the county commission have both met with MAGPUL repeatedly. We have our fingers crossed. It would be awesome to be hosting yet another industry hated by the left! Guns, Coal, Oil, Natural Gas! OH MY!!!!
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From what Magpul has said a good bit of their parts molding is done by subs. So you have to consider them too.
And you should be near a major shipment hub or at least on an interstate close to a UPS/Fedex distribution center. That is in a gun friendly state and county and city. Without ruinous taxes. Not looking at governmental bankruptcy. With a semi-skilled to skilled blue collar workforce needing jobs. With good inexpensive housing available. Decent schools. And cheap industrial space. With excess (and cheap) electrical capacity. That is fun to work and live in.
Kind of limits the possibilities.
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From what Magpul has said a good bit of their parts molding is done by subs. So you have to consider them too.
And you should be near a major shipment hub or at least on an interstate close to a UPS/Fedex distribution center. That is in a gun friendly state and county and city. Without ruinous taxes. Not looking at governmental bankruptcy. With a semi-skilled to skilled blue collar workforce needing jobs. With good inexpensive housing available. Decent schools. And cheap industrial space. With excess (and cheap) electrical capacity. That is fun to work and live in.
Kind of limits the possibilities.
I work in trucking and I can tell you that moving to Gillette, WY would significantly increase their shipping costs. The cost of getting raw materials shipped in would nearly double. The cost of shipping finished product out would decrease slightly or stay the same, but the availability of trucks in that area is almost zero.
As far as shipping out finished product goes, a quick search shows me that there are only 43 available trucks in the entire northern half of WY/western SD right now. Only 1 of them is within 100 miles and only 18 of them are within 250 miles. That won't be good for getting your product to market.
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Raw materails need not be shipped by truck, rail freight is much cheaper, but not always accessable. plastics almost always come in about bb sized pellets for injection moulding they come in barels and large sacks,( like pallet sized) so they can be shipped by almost means
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I work in trucking and I can tell you that moving to Gillette, WY would significantly increase their shipping costs. The cost of getting raw materials shipped in would nearly double. The cost of shipping finished product out would decrease slightly or stay the same, but the availability of trucks in that area is almost zero.
As far as shipping out finished product goes, a quick search shows me that there are only 43 available trucks in the entire northern half of WY/western SD right now. Only 1 of them is within 100 miles and only 18 of them are within 250 miles. That won't be good for getting your product to market.
What about rail? There are MAJOR railways going through Gillette due to the coal mines being there. I would think that would be a cost efficient way to bring in resin.
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THats only half of it. Remember finished products are much more bulky.
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What about rail? There are MAJOR railways going through Gillette due to the coal mines being there. I would think that would be a cost efficient way to bring in resin.
I'm sure rail is an option. I was just giving a perspective from the trucking side of things.
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What about rail? There are MAJOR railways going through Gillette due to the coal mines being there. I would think that would be a cost efficient way to bring in resin.
Still need trucks to move supplies and product between depot and plant.
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unless there is a track that runs too them. A long time client was a printer( 7 color web, several offsets and tons of stichers) they would drop off 2 rail cars be hind his build, it would be empty the next day. Crazy quantiys of paper.
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Remember something. When Mag-Pul announced this, their products were selling faster than they could make them. Faster than any time in their history. P-Mags were out of stock just about everywhere. The places that had them were selling them for scalpers prices. Assault Weapons Ban fear was everywhere, as state after state announced new gun control measures, most of which included magazine capacity limitations. The fact is IF they are going to move, they're not going to do it at a time when business has never been better. It would be plain stupid to do so. Too much profit would be lost.
Now supply is quickly catching up with demand. I'm seeing P-Mags pretty much everywhere, and with very good prices attached. Even the 7.62 P-Mags are in stock now at a lot of places, again with low prices attached. To move they would need to stockpile and warehouse a very large supply of product to hold them over, until they can get equipment moved, up and running again. That is costly to have a lot of dead money tied up in product, while the entire company makes a very costly move.....If they even do. My guess is they won't.
This is all about principal. There is no way the Colorado legislature would not allow them to produce and sell their product where it is legal. Mag-Pul doesn't have much to gain here, and a lot to lose if they in fact make this move. It's one thing to make a broad statement like that. It's another to act on it. Especially after they find out what the actual cost will be.
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[1]This is all about principal.
[2]There is no way the Colorado legislature would not allow them to produce and sell their product where it is legal.
1-Yes it is. Magpul said that. You said it. Doesn't sound like there is much disagreement there. Principal ≠ Profit. Sometimes they happen at the same time, sometimes not.
2-What? I don't understand this sentence. I am sometimes smart like rock, so can you explain this to me? Most Magpul magazines are now illegal in Colorado. They make other things that aren't illegal in Colorado. What am I missing and not understanding in your sentence?
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What? I don't understand this sentence. I am sometimes smart like rock, so can you explain this to me? Most Magpul magazines are now illegal in Colorado. They make other things that aren't illegal in Colorado. What am I missing and not understanding in your sentence?
They can produce them there. They just can't sell to their customers there. That won't change regardless of where they move.
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No doubt about it... they produce fine products. However, they are not the only game in town. Many people purchased P-mags - during the frenzy and since - just because of their hard-line stance. If they do not move within a reasonable amount of time then they will have quite a PR mess on their hands. People have long memories when it comes to lies, deceit, and dishonesty... I still have friends who won't buy a S&W because of the Clinton-era deal. I'm not saying that Magpul was disingenuous when making their announcement to move. I'm just saying that many current customers will become ex-customers if Magpul backs away from their promise.
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i disagree with people having long memorys, some do, but most don't.
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i disagree with people having long memorys, some do, but most don't.
You aren't kidding about that. I'd be interested to see how Cheaper Than Dirt No One is doing now.
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You aren't kidding about that. I'd be interested to see how Cheaper Than Dirt No One is doing now.
Have you noticed they advertise on just about every shooting show? In fact on American Rifleman, the host says "brought to you by Cheaper Than Dirt blah, blah, blah...".
Never did buy from them and never will.
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THey never were cheaper lol price is always the last thing i look at. I am funny like that. I pay for custmer service 1st. Thats one thing i hate about moving to bend. I lost all of my really awesome venders. some i still call and have them ship stuff. I know it costs alot more but i don't care. I want great cs.
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I'm partial to Troy mags. I hope Magpul follows through with what they said, but it doesn't affect me not buying their product.