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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Lucas on June 12, 2008, 05:55:01 PM
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So I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get a G17. I have not been a big Glock fan (dont hurt me to bad) but I thought that I had better get one while the gettin is good. Found a good deal ($500) NIB, checked it out, like it, goin for it! Is there anything I should know? Any tricks of the trade I might weasel out of you G fans?
Thanks once again all!
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Yes, at that price when you don't like it you will not loose too much when you sell it.
Richard
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One of my favorites, can't go wrong with a 9mm Glock in the arsenal. The stock sights do leave something to be desired but there are plenty out there and that can be said for almost all accessories for Glock in general. That all being said my experience with handguns is very minimal when compared to about 99.9% of the people on this forum.
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Well, here is my 2 cents, since you asked.....
First off, I would not bother with the full size Glock in 9mm (Although the G17 is a damn fine gun). If you are looking for a full size Glock, get the .45
In my opinion, the full size Glock is not very concealable and because of this fact, my G17 has been designated to "night stand only" work (and for that role, I would much prefer it to be in .45). The compact and subcompact Glocks are much more versatile, and make for more practical concealed carry guns. So if you have a CWP, or ever think you might want to get one, then I would think long and hard about getting the subcompact - The G26 is a great carry gun, and 10+1 rounds of 9mm is more then enough firepower for concealed carry. They are just as accurate and shootable as the big boys, and you can get a finger extension for the mag if your hands are too big.
I would also recommend getting one of the uber-high capacity mags for which ever Glock you choose. My G17 is ready to engage the bad guys with a 33rd mag - and you can also get them for the .40 or.45 Glocks. It is also important to note that all of the compact and sub compact Glocks will take their larger counter parts mags as well (so I can even use the 33 rd mag or the 17 rd mag in my sub compact G26 :)). Oh, and they are fun as hell to rip through at the range!
Lastly.... I would not rule out buying a used Glock. I bought my G17 used from a gun store for about $250 a few years back.... It had a great deal of finish that had been worn away on the slide, but I sent it back to the factory and had it refinished for about $40. Now it looks as good as a new Glock and it has always run like a clock. So my point here is that most of the used Glocks out there are pretty much as mechanically perfect as a new one, and if you look hard enough I know that you can find them for a much lower price (probably around $350-$400).
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Don't drink the kool aid.
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What would be your primary use for the G17? I have had a G17 for 16 years and it is still one of my favorite guns (one smokestack jam is the only failure Ive ever had with it) and works like a champ. If you do want to conceal it then get a G19 for a good all around gun. I have a 17, 19, and 26 and I like the 19 because it is the best all around gun. Im not a die hard Glock fan but they work (the smokestack was due to cheap reloads and a weak 13 year old's wrist) and I just am partial to guns that go bang everytime. $500 is reasonable so dont worry about that.
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I have a G23 and the wife has a G17 that I use for USPSA and IDPA matches. The compact (19,23) size fits people's hands a little better but the 17 shoots a little better. For CCW the 26 is a good choice but be aware the recoil is a little stiff and the 27 is much worse. I replaced the 23s sights fairly soon after I bought it with MMC night sights and recently replaced both gun's with Warren Tactical sights (the 23 got two dot night and the 17 got a fiber front). I don't like the 20/21 frame, its to wide. The 21SF is much better. For a hide gun in 45 the 36 is a good choice but is the same capacity as a 1911 3.5in barrel (Para PDA, Springfield EMP) and the 30 is to fat to hide very well.
I have a box full of holsters (leahter and plastic/kydex) and have relied on a Blackhawk Serpa or a Galco 3-slot holster for a few years. I recently got a G-Code set and Blade-Tech IWB that I've been playing with and pretty happy.
As for price, $500 is about right. Here at the police supply they are $464 and the LGS is about $540. Gunbroker has a few lower but they are used and with transfer and shipping would be about that anyway.
It isn't too picky about cleaning and lube but it's pretty easy to disassemble/clean. Replace the springs every few years and it'll run forever (my G23 is about 13 years old). My only significant failure with either was an extractor that got blown out by a bad "factory reload."
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That way leads to the Dark Side....
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Yeah, get a Sig.
8)
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For CCW the 26 is a good choice but be aware the recoil is a little stiff and the 27 is much worse.
I would actually disagree. My 26 is a joy to shoot, and recoil is hardly even noticeable..... My wife even loves to shoot it.
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XDs are better.
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You can't go wrong with a Glock. One warning you will want more.
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Love my M+P!!! Damn wrong thread again,.... Where's Hawkfish? ::)
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Love my M+P!!! Damn wrong thread again,.... Where's Hawkfish? ::)
I think he is on vacation or something.
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Oh,
That way leads to the Dark Side....
Well since Hawkfish hasn't put in the official "G" blessing, I'll take the shot of Glock cheer, and wish you the best with the G17.
Post some pics and enjoy.
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Someone asked what I wanted it for. Well the short and long of it is I want a high capacity, full frame, Reliable, 9mm. I am not going to carry concealed, thats what my snubbie is for. I had narrowed it down to the PX4 and the Glock. I have a PX4 in .40 and I absolutely love it. Over 1,000 rounds with never a hiccup, feels great in the hand, and comes apart in about 5 seconds. Since I already have the Beretta I figured the Glock would be a nice addition and has a good reputation.
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That way leads to the Dark Side....
Not if saved by Dura - coat (http://www.mazeguy.net/expressive/meditate.gif)
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I would actually disagree. My 26 is a joy to shoot, and recoil is hardly even noticeable..... My wife even loves to shoot it.
New ad campaign for Glocks. "And women like them too!" ;D
Lot of people swear by Glocks. My only problem and proverbial 2ยข is that I don't like the trigger, the sights and they are butt ugly.
I agree with Pathfinder ... get a SIG. Hey! I hear SIG has a new promotion. Buy any "P" series pistol, SIG rifle or any three SIG magazines and get a date with the SIG spokesmodel ...
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Someone asked what I wanted it for. Well the short and long of it is I want a high capacity, full frame, Reliable, 9mm. I am not going to carry concealed, thats what my snubbie is for. I had narrowed it down to the PX4 and the Glock. I have a PX4 in .40 and I absolutely love it. Over 1,000 rounds with never a hiccup, feels great in the hand, and comes apart in about 5 seconds. Since I already have the Beretta I figured the Glock would be a nice addition and has a good reputation.
If that is your use then you've got the right gun. Certainly there are others that fit the bill but if you are leaning towards the glock then you wont be sorry. Get it and have fun!
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Lucas,
Whatever you are comfortable with and can shoot accuratly and safely is the gun to have. We're just a passionate bunch!
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I have owned 7 glocks, still own 4. Of my go to pistols, g17 at the night stand with night sights and crimson trace laser grips, g21 is my car gun, with a lasermax guide rod, g34 is my competition gun, and g20 my hunting pistol. None of the above is my carry pistol due to the width of the slides, some physiques can carry one well, mine does not, and my involvement with the public, in the positions I have to get in, would reveal any waistband carry regardless of make. So I front pocket carry a J frame Smith, to fight to my Glocks or rifle.
All of the above have 3.5 lb trigger connectors, don't let anyone tell you not to put them in your pistol, the true trigger weight is more like 4-5 lbs, but much superior to the 5lb or 8lb connectors which you can add 1 - 2 lbs to the stated trigger pull. Now my G34 has a much modified trigger and is honestly about 2.5 lbs with no creep or overtravel, I will not reveal how that is achieved as it must be done with some strong warnings, and someone who knows whats being done and why.
I've been a Glock armorer since 1991, that is a lot like being a Maytag repairman, I do 5% repairs and 95% modifications, sights, trigger jobs, etc...
In that time I have seen exactly 2 frame rail inserts break, it did not stop the gun, but was uncovered in routine cleaning.
I have seen guide rod breakage and the same thing, pistol running fine, found when the pistol was disassembled.
I have seen 3 Sig 226's with cracked frames, right above the slide release hole.
A Glock is a lot like a 4lb ballpeen hammer, not the right tool for everything, but I doubt your gonna break it, and when you do use it, it's gonna get the job done.
As for the sights, you can get excellent replacements, My pistols have the Warren sights which I do like for competition , Mepro light adjustables on my G21 which I like because it has a very tall front sight, Bomars on the G20 for hunting and accurate adjustability, and Trijicon for the bedside gun.
Enjoy your 4lb hammer.
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Yes, You can even get "Gangsta" sights that mount to the SIDE of the slide (http://www.mazeguy.net/happy/number1.gif)
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You can't break the darn things!
mb
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You can't break the darn things!
mb
I wouldn't say that... I've seen more then few cracked slides( breach face normally) trigger groups, not to mention thier plastic sights.
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Thanks m25operstor, for the "unleashing of technical knowledge", it seems the evolution of the the G pistols happens on the consumer side. The manufacturer lays the foundation with a great pistol design, and the consumer builds custom enhancements on top.
I have,, keyword: YET to get one, although I have shot many different models because so many of my shooting friends have at least one.
I own many models of handguns and prefer classic, reliable, and simple designs, the only time I deviated from that was with my M+P. But it too has quickly gone into that category.
Picked it up and had a instant "bonding". It is utterly simple and reliable, and I have had no issues. But getting my rebate mags is taking forever,... :P
When I have that moment with a Glock, I'll get it.
Thank you again m25, sometimes reading the intricate extent of one's knowledge and specific data is what us pistol geeks can't get anywhere else. You probably could learn how to tweak a washer by talking to the Maytag repairman. ;D
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I've only shot 2 Glocks, I don't know the model numbers but the compact .45 had much more muzzle flip than my 1911, the full size 9mm was REAL nice. Since most of my shooting has been SA I thought the trigger pull was long but I know that is just me and my preference, had no complaints about grip size. All in all I was favorably impressed regardless of how I may give Hawkfish a hard time (http://www.mazeguy.net/happy/number1.gif)
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I wouldn't say that... I've seen more then few cracked slides( breach face normally) trigger groups, not to mention thier plastic sights.
The slides cracking I haven't heard of. Any particular model prone to this?
To my way of thinking, a broken plastic sight that should have been replaced when the gun was bought is not a "broken gun".
Just buy them with the factory tritiums and all is good or replace them with a plain steel sight if glow in the dark is not your thing!
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First off.... not a kool aid drinker ;D
I hated Glocks when they first came out, until I shot one. For the last seven years I have carried a Glock 22 as a duty weapon. It has performed 100% and is quite accurate. I really put the gun through it's paces with all kinds of ammo and it see's every kind of weather when i'm on bike patrol.
The only thing I do not like about it is the grip angle but I have grown used to that. If you like the feel of the Glock it will serve you well.
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The slides cracking I haven't heard of. Any particular model prone to this?
To my way of thinking, a broken plastic sight that should have been replaced when the gun was bought is not a "broken gun".
Just buy them with the factory tritiums and all is good or replace them with a plain steel sight if glow in the dark is not your thing!
I don't think model had anything to do with it, I'm sure round count was more of an issue. They were all guns that people had 10k ish rounds in, I've heard alots of reason why this might have happend. I really don't care why it happend, it happend. When it comes to the sights, you should not have to replace anything on a gun to make it work for you.
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interesting posting topic :) What should you know? ....... Know that you are getting a wonderful gun. Don't listen to the haters out there. Get it and give it a fair chance. Then, I think you'll be happy you got it. Keep the barrel clean and don't shoot "higher than factory power loads"-unless you change out the barrel... and you should have thousands and thousands of trouble free round shooting to do. Having had the "fortunate pleasure" of breaking in many Glocks, I would recommend shooting at least 400-500 rounds through it before I would consider it "broken in." After that you should be Golden! 8)