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Title: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: jpr9954 on July 01, 2008, 09:15:12 AM: If he doesn't think he can protect Second Amendment civil rights, then Mueller should step down. He took an oath to protect the Constitution, afterall.

John

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HARTFORD, Conn. - Last week's landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling that upheld a constitutional right to own guns for self-defense and hunting may harm efforts to deter violent crime in communities and college campuses, FBI Director Robert Mueller said Monday.

Speaking at a convention of the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators in Hartford, Mueller criticized the ruling, which he said "does throw a lot of things up in the air."

Last year, a gunman killed 32 people at Virginia Tech in the nation's worst mass shooting in modern history, prompting some states to consider new laws to tighten campus security. Earlier this year, a gunman killed five people at Northern Illinois University.

By a 5-4 vote last week, the nation's highest court struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns, the first major pronouncement on gun rights in history. It upheld the right for communities to license guns.

Mueller said communities will have to determine their own license programs. As a former Marine who served in Vietnam, he said "I tend to believe weapons harm people and more often than not they harm the people carrying them."

With his grandchildren going to college, Mueller said he hopes "those campuses will be weapons free."

Mueller said the FBI's top priority remains counterterrorism, counter- intelligence and protecting the secrets of the United States.

He said college campuses and small communities could be "potential incubators of terrorism" even while major cities such as New York and Los Angeles remain primary targets for terrorists.

"The fact is we can't rule out any community in the United States as a potential incubator of terrorism," Mueller said.
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: Solus on July 01, 2008, 09:21:27 AM: Wasn't it an FBI instructor that shot himself in the leg while giving a class on Glock pistols?

If so, I can understand why this guy thinks folks harm themselves with guns.

He shouldn't judge everyone by the company he keeps.
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: Hazcat on July 01, 2008, 09:31:12 AM: Solus, That was the DEA.

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Last year, a gunman killed 32 people at Virginia Tech in the nation's worst mass shooting in modern history, prompting some states to consider new laws to tighten campus security. Earlier this year, a gunman killed five people at Northern Illinois University.
Mueller said communities will have to determine their own license programs.

Which shows how well the law has been working! ::)

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As a former Marine who served in Vietnam, he said "I tend to believe weapons harm people and more often than not they harm the people carrying them."

Yep, those gunman really hurt themselves. ::)

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With his grandchildren going to college, Mueller said he hopes "those campuses will be weapons free."

Must hate his kids.

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He said college campuses and small communities could be "potential incubators of terrorism" even while major cities such as New York and Los Angeles remain primary targets for terrorists.

"The fact is we can't rule out any community in the United States as a potential incubator of terrorism," Mueller said.

Which has exactly what to do with American citizens going about their daily lives and taking advantage of a prior, existing right, codified by the constitution? Add to the fact that most states only issue concealed carry after a lengthy process that includes instruction and a background check.

If he worked for me today would be his last day on the job!
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: 1776 Rebel on July 01, 2008, 11:55:59 AM: Haz, the problem is all these guys know that they have only a couple of months left. So there is no longer any pretense at all of loyalty, integrity etc...These are their true colors. McClelland, Mueller et al.

It seems like they have been regularly embarrassing every adult that voted for them. Do they take pride is this?

I just know that when I vote for McCain I will be similarly disappointed. Please just give me a couple of months honeymoon Senator !!!
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: ellis4538 on July 01, 2008, 12:53:37 PM: Typical "Head in the sand or wherever" attitude. We will keep hearing this because they will never believe any opinion about the 2nd amendment and self defense but their own or someone who agrees with them. I go to church and believe "God helps those who help themselves" and was a Boy Scout who believed "Be Prepared" that's why I got my CCW and a cell phone and hope to be around after the fight to dial 911.

Richard

PS: Haz, if McCain picks Bloomberg as VP (which he has talked about) the honeymoon's already over!
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 01, 2008, 12:57:25 PM: I thought Mueller was a Clinton appointee ? Either way, his headis in the sand and his butt is so far up in the air he might as well get it tattooed "Welcome aboard". ???
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: jnevis on July 01, 2008, 01:19:36 PM: Quote from: tombogan03884 on July 01, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
I thought Mueller was a Clinton appointee ? Either way, his headis in the sand and his butt is so far up in the air he might as well get it tattooed "Welcome aboard". ???

Other way around, rectal cranial inversion :o
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: DDMac on July 01, 2008, 02:43:09 PM: Ocular rectalosis!
Mac.
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: pioneer on July 01, 2008, 05:37:12 PM: That's what you get when you appoint someone to head the FBI, who's never been a cop. He's never even been a Special Agent, for that matter. I respect his Vietnam service, but there is no comparison between that war, any war, and American society. Because he saw people killed with firearms in Nam, it is beyond the pale to compare that to guns on campus.

Any veteran cop who is being honest, will agree that citizens are on their own for self defense. Sure, the police will get there as fast as possible and try their best to identify, find and prosecute the killer, but they can do nothing to prevent your death.

When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/pioneer461/police.png)
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: Ron J on July 01, 2008, 05:59:51 PM: Quote from: pioneer on July 01, 2008, 05:37:12 PM
That's what you get when you appoint someone to head the FBI, who's never been a cop. He's never even been a Special Agent, for that matter. I respect his Vietnam service, but there is no comparison between that war, any war, and American society. Because he saw people killed with firearms in Nam, it is beyond the pale to compare that to guns on campus.

Any veteran cop who is being honest, will agree that citizens are on their own for self defense. Sure, the police will get there as fast as possible and try their best to identify, find and prosecute the killer, but they can do nothing to prevent your death.

When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/pioneer461/police.png)

+1 Respect the man's service in the military and DOJ but he sounds a little off with his comments on self defense.

I can kind of understand where he is coming from. My late father was LE for 32 years in So. Cal. He never could understand my fascination of firearms because he hated them. Had he a wish, it would have been to drop all of them in the ocean. HOWEVER ... he also realized that such a utopia will never exist and the bad guy/gal will have a weapon so people NEED to defend themselves with guns.
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: Rastus on July 04, 2008, 10:35:20 AM: Quote from: jpr9954 on July 01, 2008, 09:15:12 AM
HARTFORD, Conn. - Last week's landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling that upheld a constitutional right to own guns for self-defense and hunting may harm efforts to deter violent crime in communities and college campuses, FBI Director Robert Mueller said Monday.

Speaking at a convention of the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators in Hartford, Mueller criticized the ruling, which he said "does throw a lot of things up in the air." ......................
Mueller said communities will have to determine their own license programs. As a former Marine who served in Vietnam, he said "I tend to believe weapons harm people and more often than not they harm the people carrying them."

With his grandchildren going to college, Mueller said he hopes "those campuses will be weapons free."

Mueller said the FBI's top priority remains counterterrorism, counter- intelligence and protecting the secrets of the United

Just another mean-spirited anti-gun bigot.

And he doesn't mind lying, either. The top priority remains counterterrorism, counter-intelligence..blah, blah, blah. I've known several FBI agents (mostly retired working on the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve)...primary task is "enforcing IRS collections". Not that they don't do some great things in those other fields...it's just mostly about enforcing tax collection.
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: ericire12 on July 04, 2008, 01:21:56 PM: what a loon
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 04, 2008, 01:41:19 PM: Quote from: Rastus on July 04, 2008, 10:35:20 AM
Just another mean-spirited anti-gun bigot.

And he doesn't mind lying, either. The top priority remains counterterrorism, counter-intelligence..blah, blah, blah. I've known several FBI agents (mostly retired working on the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve)...primary task is "enforcing IRS collections". Not that they don't do some great things in those other fields...it's just mostly about enforcing tax collection.

They do some really crappy work on protecting America's secrets, Hannson, Pollard, Walker, and that sieve on Capital hill.
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: tumblebug on July 04, 2008, 03:13:49 PM: WELL WE KNOW WHAT HE IS FULL OF.
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: Neon Knight Anubis on July 04, 2008, 04:25:41 PM: For a man whose in charge of an agency that protects both American citizens and the Constitution, he sure doesn't like American citizens and the Constitution.
Title: Re: FBI chief: Gun ruling makes campuses less secure
Post by: CJS3 on July 04, 2008, 05:21:13 PM: The worst thing about the break-up of the Soviet Union, is that they didn't have the courtesy to nuke WashDC before they fell apart.