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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: jj on July 20, 2008, 03:41:06 PM
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Since the President in not elected by popular vote. (we the common people have no say).
IF BHO wins the electorial vote he would be the president. BUT would would happen if McCain wins the popular vote?
NOW REVERSE IT
McCain wins the electorial vote he would be the president. But BHO wins the popular vote?
Big change in the way we vote? Civil war? TSHTF?
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That scenario has happened before. Lost the popular vote but won.
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Yes, But not between a Black & White
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JJ,
I think that particular fact only matters to extremists on either side. Most of America couldn't care less about his color, only his policies.
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JJ,
I think that particular fact only matters to extremists on either side. Most of America couldn't care less about his color, only his policies.
I have to agree with Hazcat, I'd vote for Thomas Sowell or Condi Rice in a NY minute. But if B -Ho gets elected (which I doubt ) I will probably wind up living in the woods as a "Bandit".
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Instead of Robin Hood, it would be Tom n' Hood. And I think NH would be a better place for it too!
Civil unrest after the election is not likely ... no matter which way it turns.
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I have to agree with Hazcat, I'd vote for Thomas Sowell or Condi Rice in a NY minute. But if B -Ho gets elected (which I doubt ) I will probably wind up living in the woods as a "Bandit".
Need a roomate?
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I'm with Tom on this one. Tom can I be one of your merry men?
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Need a roomate?
I'm with Tom on this one. Tom can I be one of your merry men?
All I'll say is BRING COFFEE and ammo ;D
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NH is going to be accepting Hugo Chavez's fuel.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D920E39G9&show_article=1
Strange bedfellows indeed,. but I can make homemade wine and run a Dillon press, if someone makes coffee, I can cook too.
All I'll say is BRING COFFEE and ammo Grin
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As I remember, who ever wins the electoral votes gets the presidency, electoral trumps popular vote. BHO is scary. I don't care about color, I would vote for a black person if I felt they would be the right one for the country. Condi would get my vote. Already looking for hiding place for my black gun in case BHO wins the election. Can you imagine BHO with Democratic congress and idiots like Pelozi and Murtha as Speakers of House and Senate. Scary.
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Electoral more tham 'trumps' the popular vote. The popular vote counts for nothing at all.
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Electoral more tham 'trumps' the popular vote. The popular vote counts for nothing at all.
No doubt there will be controversy with this election just as there was with '00/'04. We can only hope it may start a movement for a Constitutional Convention to straighten this mess out.
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NH is going to be accepting Hugo Chavez's fuel.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D920E39G9&show_article=1
Strange bedfellows indeed,. but I can make homemade wine and run a Dillon press, if someone makes coffee, I can cook too.
All I'll say is BRING COFFEE and ammo Grin
The article pretty much tells the whole story, Fred Fuller is the local oil company here in Laconia.I have friends who may have to choose between Heating oil or gas to get to work.
I can make coffee !
Desert Marine, We have room in NH, it's cold but small enough to keep it free. (I hope)
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Keep in mind that the Electoral College is "supposed" to negate the large population states (Kali & New York) from being the deciding factor in the popular vote.
All the same ... count me in. I will grab my M1A and coffee grinder and head to NH.
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All I'll say is BRING COFFEE and ammo ;D
Ammo, check. Coffee, check. Hope we don't need them but we'll see.
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Backpack mounted, solar powered BLENDER.
And ammo. (back to the reason for 2A.)
Mac.
ps. couldn't we just go liberate Cuba? Nice place.
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Backpack mounted, solar powered BLENDER.
And ammo. (back to the reason for 2A.)
Mac.
ps. couldn't we just go liberate Cuba? Nice place.
Decent coffee, too.
Lots of ammo here and I only drink fresh gound so that solar cell better work. ;)
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I am not in favor of trashing the electoral college. Hitlery was screaming to disband it after 2000, never did one thing about it. After her ranting, I bought a T-shirt that read "Property of the Physical Education Dept. - Electoral College". Give it a minute . . . . ;)
The College is a protection not only to keep the high population states from controlling everything, but also to keep the mob at bay, keep a "populist" from railroading the high population states in the country. With b-ho on the prowl, and his "divine" presence on the cover of most of the popular so-called "news" magazines, we may well have to be giving thanks yet again for the College if he wins the popular vote but not the College votes.
And although the popular vote does not elect the President, it does - according to each states' rules - elect the electors to the College.
<edit> PS: I'd prefer Wyoming to NH, even to Cuba. Sorry, just the way it is.
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Desert Marine, We have room in NH, it's cold but small enough to keep it free. (I hope)
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Thanks for the invite. I roast and grind my own coffee, so that is part of my contribution. Be good to hear new sea stories. I thought I was going to get a chance for a vacation in Cuba in 62 but Ruskies backed down. Oh well.
Semper Fi
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ps. couldn't we just go liberate Cuba? Nice place.
Let's just buy it!
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Let's just buy it!
We'd have to get a loan from China, wonder who would co-sign?
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We'd have to get a loan from China, wonder who would co-sign?
Once we buy it then its ours, so we get our money back.
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I am not in favor of trashing the electoral college. Hitlery was screaming to disband it after 2000, never did one thing about it. After her ranting, I bought a T-shirt that read "Property of the Physical Education Dept. - Electoral College". Give it a minute . . . . ;)
The College is a protection not only to keep the high population states from controlling everything, but also to keep the mob at bay, keep a "populist" from railroading the high population states in the country. With b-ho on the prowl, and his "divine" presence on the cover of most of the popular so-called "news" magazines, we may well have to be giving thanks yet again for the College if he wins the popular vote but not the College votes.
And although the popular vote does not elect the President, it does - according to each states' rules - elect the electors to the College.
<edit> PS: I'd prefer Wyoming to NH, even to Cuba. Sorry, just the way it is.
Hey Pathfinder! I just sent a resume to a company in Dickinson. How far from there are you?
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Hey Pathfinder! I just sent a resume to a company in Dickinson. How far from there are you?
Got stuck in Wyoming at 40 below. Let's pick some place warmer. We got tall mountains with lots of forest and some good remote areas that you can only get to by foot or horse back.
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Got stuck in Wyoming at 40 below. Let's pick some place warmer. We got tall mountains with lots of forest and some good remote areas that you can only get to by foot or horse back.
2 questions, is there water, and hows the humidity ?
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2 questions, is there water, and hows the humidity ?
Water is where you find it. The North Platte River runs through the eastern part of the state. And humidity? What's that? Ne ver heard of that! :D
I could live with remote NM though, more grass in WY for the animals.
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There is plenty of water in the mountains and lots of grass. How about 20 % and below for normal on humidity. Get plenty of snow in some areas of the mountains and northern plains of the state. You can go from mountains to the plains to the desert in a matter of hours. Plenty of clean air.
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There is plenty of water in the mountains and lots of grass. How about 20 % and below for normal on humidity. Get plenty of snow in some areas of the mountains and northern plains of the state. You can go from mountains to the plains to the desert in a matter of hours. Plenty of clean air.
I'm in, if there's space available!! :)
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I'm a pretty picky eater. I stick to the Men's Four Food Groups. How far to the supply store?
Mac.
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Still plenty of room in the rural areas. Cities are being ruined by too many people. Desert areas are being drilled for oil and gas like crazy but still plenty room left.
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Still plenty of room in the rural areas. Cities are being ruined by too many people. Desert areas are being drilled for oil and gas like crazy but still plenty room left.
That would be out west...where you are. It's disappearing rapidly in other places.
Oil and gas will be gone in 25-50 years.....I worked the stuff out of Farmington and Durango a while....there's going to be a lot of those wells going to start getting plugged out in 10-15 years. Then we'll have to restore the land.
New Mexico is a beautiful state...what part are you in?
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I am in Carlsbad, the southeast part.
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That would be out west...where you are. It's disappearing rapidly in other places.
Oil and gas will be gone in 25-50 years.....I worked the stuff out of Farmington and Durango a while....there's going to be a lot of those wells going to start getting plugged out in 10-15 years. Then we'll have to restore the land.
New Mexico is a beautiful state...what part are you in?
From what I've seen passing through Texas and Ca. oil drilling areas that doesn't seem like much of a job, take down the pumps and cover the holes and you're done. Or did I miss something.*
* I passed through these areas, you work in the industry. If I'm wrong, please set me straight. ;D
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From what I've seen passing through Texas and Ca. oil drilling areas that doesn't seem like much of a job, take down the pumps and cover the holes and you're done. Or did I miss something.*
* I passed through these areas, you work in the industry. If I'm wrong, please set me straight. ;D
Working on, around, with oil rigs is diry hard work. Welders are making a killing on oil rigs, lots of work. I have friends and nephews working on the rigs. I would not want to do it.
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How about this?
http://www.thepickensplan.com/
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From what I've seen passing through Texas and Ca. oil drilling areas that doesn't seem like much of a job, take down the pumps and cover the holes and you're done. Or did I miss something.*
* I passed through these areas, you work in the industry. If I'm wrong, please set me straight. ;D
Oh, you have to pull the rods, if any and tubing. Set plugs, pump cement. Then you cut the casing off below plow depth...greater than 3' anyway. Cost is about $60k to $80k per well for those gas wells from 5,000 to 8,000 feet deep around Farmington and Durango. That includes money to remove all of the equipment, clean up everything and reslope and plant the area where the well was.
Not bad...the worst thing is getting the permits to abandon and the overall government relations...then of course the government must approve your procedure...then every now and then you get some jerk like Michael ran into on the shooting range and they try to layer a couple of hundred thousand dollars in improvements to their area on you until you get a lawyer and tell them to pound sand. Mostly the government guys are really good to work with....it's just when they send out some starry eyed idiot from DC to straighten things out the real problems start....then you have to acquaint them with contract law and criminal law to show them how exposed they are to damages for being stupid. Asked an MMS representative once to confirm he was instructing me to perform a felony to avoid issuance of a fine and so long as his legal department delivered the demand I was alright with it...well, that one went away pretty quick....
Offshore, cost is about $180k to $300k per well, if on a platform with other wells in shallow water. Costs offshore can easily top $1,000,000 and that doesn't include platform removal which can be several million more. I had to cut the wells off 16 feet below the mudline. If you have to mob out for a single well that can't be abandoned without a rig...you can spend that million plus some.
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[Not bad...the worst thing is getting the permits to abandon and the overall government relations...then of course the government must approve your procedure...then every now and then you get some jerk like Michael ran into on the shooting range and they try to layer a couple of hundred thousand dollars in improvements to their area on you until you get a lawyer and tell them to pound sand. Mostly the government guys are really good to work with....it's just when they send out some starry eyed idiot from DC to straighten things out the real problems start....then you have to acquaint them with contract law and criminal law to show them how exposed they are to damages for being stupid. Asked an MMS representative once to confirm he was instructing me to perform a felony to avoid issuance of a fine and so long as his legal department delivered the demand I was alright with it...well, that one went away pretty quick....
I was one of those government guys, not in oil though, and you are right. Starry eyed idiots just out of college or the enviornmentals are something else. Hard part is how many abandoned oil/gas wells are out there that were not restored at all. I have been out of it for eight years, so I am not up to date as to what is going on.
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Knew I'd get the straight scoop from you guy's. Thank you for the education. I keep telling people, this site should be worth college credit ;D