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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on January 01, 2016, 07:14:34 PM
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I was ready for 2015 to be over with and to start anew. It's been a heck of a meat grinder year, however 2016 is shaping up to be a bigger problem due to pending political wet dreams.
In the interest of fairness, I swiped A Solzhenitzyn's character in the gulag for that last poll question.
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Seeing as the news reports are quoting his aides, I believe that this announcement is for real. I am waiting to see where it stops. First was that those in the business of selling guns would have to do background checks for sales at gun shows (this is already the law - DUH), then the other show dropped, and today's report says there will be a refining of the description of who is a dealer.
Tin Foil Hat On
I believe that we will see an Executive Order that gun sale at a gun show will need to go through a background check; then we will see a redefinition of dealers to be a very low threshold that will cause issues of what the BATFE says a dealer is; then I foresee a time when every gun transaction will need to be done by an FFL holder, and the government will charge for the background checks.
Bottom line in my warped world:
Pres. BHO is using the Executive Order to bring about the Universal Background Check that our elected officials in this Democratic Republic refused. I believe that we are in for a year of hard hitting on guns as a set up for Hillary who cares about the poor victimized families, and they will use the GOP stance as being cold hearted, unfeeling, and owned by the NRA.
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I believe that we are in for a year of hard hitting on guns as a set up for Hillary who cares about the poor victimized families, and they will use the GOP stance as being cold hearted, unfeeling, and owned by the NRA.
Definitely.
Obama will do something. It will cause a lot of trouble and probably make firearm ownership the number one issue for the election.
Big mistake on their side.
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Only if we allow it.
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All blow no go.
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All III%er's, Oath keepers, and gun rights people, time to fish or cut bait, USE 'EM OR LOSE 'EM.
If Obama and the liberals are allowed to do this you will not have guns by the next new year.
If you allow it you don't deserve them either.
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He really has two choices:
1) Do something that is likely legal and constitutional, that will seem to do more than it actually does, such as:
a) Opening the NICS system to private persons doing private sales on a voluntary basis. There are several ways in which this can be done, and as long as it is not mandatory, I see nothing wrong with it as a policy. Can Obama legally do this on his own? Maybe.
b) He could direct his DOJ to consider anyone selling more than "X" number of firearms to be "engaged in the business of selling firearms", thus requiring them to have an FFL. This would have to be tested in criminal court. It likely could go either way - but Obama would be out of office before a legal precedent could be established.
2) Obama could do something much more radical and unconstitutional, such as:
a) Requiring a NICS check on all sales
b) Banning sales of some firearms
My gut feeling is that he will go with option one - something that will not be blatantly unconstitutional, but will allow him to say that he has taken action to greatly expand background checks. However, we shall all see very soon.
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Only if we allow it.
Exactly.
Making a law or EO is one thing.....actually being able to enforce it is another entirely.
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There are 100 million gun owners in America, gun laws are what we allow them to be. Obama has a phone and a pen. We have the power to shove them both up his ass.
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Got a thought here.
Can the Republicans in the House and the Senate work together to revoke the funding for Obama's security detail? (Like it was done in VA)
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My gut feeling is that he will go with option one - something that will not be blatantly unconstitutional, but will allow him to say that he has taken action to greatly expand background checks.
I think he'll push it just a little over the constitutional side. Just a little. Playing politics, because now the House and Senate will have to vote to over turn his EO and that will put a lot of people on record one way or another. Something a lot of them don't want right now.
I think who ever said it earlier is also right. Someone has convinced the Dems/Libs that gun control is a winning issue this year... WRONG.
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he will do something, what he will do is in question.
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Anything he does can be undone with another EO!
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Anything he does can be undone with a rope and a tree. The time for "reasonable debate" is gone . The time has come to either man up and live up to your oath of enlistment or get on the train car like a good little Jew.
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Here is how I see this playing out:
1. Pres. BHO will issue an Executive Order telling BATFE to regulate gun shows, and requiring all sales at gun shows go through a NICS check. This will pass legal, because it falls under the rules agencies can put in place much like when OSHA tried to stop reloading shipments under safety rules. The only way that went away was through the strength and influence of Pres. GWB;
2. H.R. 4269, The Assault Weapons Ban of 2015, https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text)will continue its way through the system;
3. Mrs. Clinton will continue and expand her attack on the NRA;
4. As WE fight the Executive Order, the current administration and Mrs. Clinton will play off of the so called 90% who want universal background checks, and they will claim that the NRA and gun nuts are out of control. They will take the 50% who think universal checks are good, and through spin doctoring and emotions grow it to 75%,
5. The Brady Campaign will join in with overblown emotional appeals for common sense;
6. Bloomberg will ramp up attack with hundreds of millions of dollars, smoke and mirrors, and a full on media blitz.
Unless we prepare, and prepare last week, with facts that the issue is about the actor and not the tool, we will be quickly dismissed as uncaring, cold hearted, redneck, neanderthals. We need to carry the facts that the gun is less of a threat than personal tools, hands and feet (see FBI Fact Sheet showing hands and feet more often used than long guns), and the failing of the legal system in cases like Dontray Mills.
We need to remember how we look when we make "funny" comments and posts, and push the facts that gun owners and users are safe, reasonable, and law abiding. Remember boys and girls, Facebook is not your man cave, and gun phobes and gun haters read your jokes.
This has the ability to become the perfect storm that will distract and divide the nation over the next 10 months.
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Anything he does can be undone with a rope and a tree. The time for "reasonable debate" is gone . The time has come to either man up and live up to your oath of enlistment or get on the train car like a good little Jew.
The Oath also requires that I obey the orders of the president and the officers appointed over me!
How's that gonna work? ;)
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The Oath also requires that I obey the orders of the president and the officers appointed over me!
How's that gonna work? ;)
Lawful orders....
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Hi;
Yes Timothy; Lawful Orders ! If the military ever gets into a power struggle or "put on the spot" I will bet that the military will Stand Down due to mass refusals to obey an unlawful order - there are just too many people in the military that know that they will not oppress people/citizens that are just like their Mom/Dad/brother/sister/aunt/uncle and neighbor back home. Military members will not stand for other military members oppressing family and friends, Therefore, the Military stand down and refusal by the combined JCS - for the good of the service(s) !
besides, Congress has to approve the funding of any such action(s) against the American People - and that is not going to happen - Just too many people out here with guns and enough out here to use those weapons - when backed up against the wall or SHTF !
Even Schumer,Polosi,Boxer and Harry Reid want to live and know the score !
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Lawful orders....
True, but the SCOTUS hasn't been too predictable these days.
Whatever he does will be there while he's building his library unless we fight it at the polls.
Will it come down to a rebellion?
I'll fight and die for my family but most of the populous no longer deserves my attention.
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Hi;
Yes Timothy; Lawful Orders ! If the military ever gets into a power struggle or "put on the spot" I will bet that the military will Stand Down due to mass refusals to obey an unlawful order - there are just too many people in the military that know that they will not oppress people/citizens that are just like their Mom/Dad/brother/sister/aunt/uncle and neighbor back home. Military members will not stand for other military members oppressing family and friends, Therefore, the Military stand down and refusal by the combined JCS - for the good of the service(s) !
besides, Congress has to approve the funding of any such action(s) against the American People - and that is not going to happen - Just too many people out here with guns and enough out here to use those weapons - when backed up against the wall or SHTF !
Even Schumer,Polosi,Boxer and Harry Reid want to live and know the score !
Don't have a warm happy feeling about the JCS these days, either! After 7 years, the asshat has replaced the real grunts with his "grunt lite" sort of generals and admirals..
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The Oath also requires that I obey the orders of the president and the officers appointed over me!
How's that gonna work? ;)
True, but the SCOTUS hasn't been too predictable these days.
Whatever he does will be there while he's building his library unless we fight it at the polls.
Will it come down to a rebellion?
I'll fight and die for my family but most of the populous no longer deserves my attention.
And that right there is why you have a treasonous Muslim piece of shot disgracing the country as apologized in chief.
Just go home and see on your yellow star.
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And that right there is why you have a treasonous Muslim piece of shot disgracing the country as apologized in chief.
Just go home and see on your yellow star.
Yup! It's all my fault...and your Patriots lost again...
:)
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Is there any way this can be used by us to modify the process of the EO's to limit them or outright dissolve the entire process? I just don't believe the entire EO process itself is legal.
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Timothy, you're starting to sound like a liberal. We're trying to have a discussion on saving what's left of the Republic, and the best you can come up with is cowering subservience and insulting a football team ?
Pathetic.
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Timothy, you're starting to sound like a liberal. We're trying to have a discussion on saving what's left of the Republic, and the best you can come up with is cowering subservience and insulting a football team ?
Pathetic.
I was participating in the discussion, Tom!
You're the one that becomes insulting, not me... I didn't insult the Patriots, just made an observation that they lost, again...
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Yes, a valuable contribution to a discussion on combating gun control by presidential edict.
People who profess a "belief", but refuse to make any meaningful sacrifices to uphold it not only make me say bad words, they make me regret the lack of worse ones.
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My original comment was that anything the asshat in chief does can be undone by the next administration.
You attacked with insults..
I'm not going to apologize if I don't care to engage in a seditious conspiracy at this point in history.
You remember the Boston Marathon bombing? They shredded the 4th Amendment like an Enron financial statement. Your vitriol will find you face down on the pavement or dead on the first day of your rebellion...
Now, you can have the last word.....
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I'm pretty sure they said the same thing to the Adam's cousins back in the day.
The nay Sayers were happy enough to latch onto their coat tails after they won though.
No matter how it ends though, I will have stood by what I believe.
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Now that we see what it is....I'm sticking with my vote of Shams & Lies.
You can change your vote....I didn't lock it. At least, I think you can change your vote.