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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Timothy on February 13, 2016, 04:53:43 PM
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Very brief report, more to come..
This is a game changer...
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How long does the nomination process take to go through on average? I'm talking from selection to installation.
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Historically, they're getting longer but have happened in a matter of days.
I'd guess with the GOP controlling the Senate, the president has his work cut out for him to get this done before the election takes place in November. He could appoint a recess appointee however.
Either way, this makes it of paramount importance that the right, in whatever form, take the White House.
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Not to take away from the family's grief or what a sudden unexpected departure from either side means for our government, but this will show more of the true colors of the DFL. I expect this to be one of those tragedies that "we can't let go to waste."
My hopes are that the President would discuss with leaders from both houses and Chief Justice Roberts to discuss if there is a need for an interim appointment, or if it can wait for the next president and the next group in the houses to handle. This would not be kicking the can down the block. This would be respect for our system!
My prayers are for the family and friends left behind, and for us as a nation as we deal with change and try to remain civil and respectful.
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I talked briefly to Scalia…brilliant mind.
This is terrifying.
Michael B
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Going by his past behavior, Obama will move quickly, and as far to the left as he possibly can. It his last crack at, "Transforming America". He won't simply leave without trying.
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The Republican Clown Show that we elected had better find their balls…
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I fear what both Billt and Michael said.
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The Republican Clown Show that we elected had better find their balls…
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They'll need to search the K street offices of the donor class. I'm thinking this will get ugly.
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Republican leadership has already said that any Obama nominee will not get a vote. We need to make sure that they stick to it.
If that fails, we need to support the call for a Constitutional convention and make sure that we reinforce the 2nd Amendment as one of the actions taken at it. At this point 5 states have passed resolutions and they have been introduced in many more. If we lose SCOTUS, this may very well be our only hope.
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The Republican Clown Show that we elected had better find their balls…
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This is my biggest fear. Not what Obama will do, but what the Republicans won't. Thus far Paul Ryan is another gutless joke, just like Boehner, only without the tears. Ryan caved to most everything Obama wanted. He better not this time.
Obama is going to try every trick in the book to ram another Sotomayor or Kagen down our throat. The Republicans had better fight hard and stand their ground this time. The future of this country is at stake. Once the high court shifts, that will be it for the Second Amendment as we know it. They'll reverse everything they possibly can, as quickly as they can. And they won't be coy about it either. Giving liberals control of the Supreme Court will be worse than anyone could possibly imagine. They've been patiently waiting for it. They are going to go all out now that they have the opportunity.
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How many of you have read "The Pelican Brief"?
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I read an article this morning that, in the headline, described Justice Scalia as a "staunch defender of the Constitution". This is my fear: We have lost a staunch defender; and he may be replaced by another staunch reviser of the Constitution.
Our Constitution was purposely written to allow for changing times. It does not limit free press to single sheet reproductions or quill and ink, and it does not limit arms to flintlocks. It is open to allow for advancing technology. Sadly, modern revisionists put different values on different levels of life, only 18th century descriptions for arms, and somehow find bizarre items that are our rights while ignoring where the rights actually come from.
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How many of you have read "The Pelican Brief"?
Sorry to say I have not. Picked it up at the library many years ago, but returned it unread due to lack of time. Sounds like you are saying I should.
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Sorry to say I have not. Picked it up at the library many years ago, but returned it unread due to lack of time. Sounds like you are saying I should.
Not saying it's plausible but it revolves around manipulation of the SCOTUS for financial or other political motives.
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Not saying it's plausible but it revolves around manipulation of the SCOTUS for financial or other political motives.
And that is different than our modern society how?
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And that is different than our modern society how?
Exactly!
In the book, two SCOTUS justices were assassinated!
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Republican leadership has already said that any Obama nominee will not get a vote. We need to make sure that they stick to it.
If that fails, we need to support the call for a Constitutional convention and make sure that we reinforce the 2nd Amendment as one of the actions taken at it. At this point 5 states have passed resolutions and they have been introduced in many more. If we lose SCOTUS, this may very well be our only hope.
A constitutional convention would give the liberals a chance to write the second amendment out of the constitution. Between the Democrats and weak kneed Republicans we wouldn't stand a chance of improving it. The constitution isn't broken it's just not being followed.
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A constitutional convention would give the liberals a chance to write the second amendment out of the constitution.
If that happens, there will be blood. Americans have had enough.
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Historically, at least for the past 80 years, POTUS has not nominated a SCOTUS replacement during his last year in office. During the final 8 or 9 months, previous POTUS have not even nominated an appellate judge. It's a traditional rather than a Constitutional issue. Our currant egocentric megalomaniac White House resident has shown no respect for either tradition or the Constitution, so I don't know what to expect from him. I do know that Rubio and McConnell have stated that no nominee will move through the Senate until next year. Pray they find some balls. I think that's the best we can hope for.
If either Bernie or Shrillery gain the office, our Constitution is dead as is this great experiment. Bernie keeps talking about revolution, and that just might bring it on.
We live in dire times and the outlook got a lot bleaker with Scalia's passing. I have long admired the man, but he picked a helluva time to go.
Crusader Rabbit
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The only bright side I see to this is that this is one more event that will help to bring out conservatives to the polls.
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The only bright side I see to this is that this is one more event that will help to bring out conservatives to the polls.
I thought we had enough before this happened. It does, however, increase the need to educate more conservatives about the importance of this upcoming election. While I was thinking this election might be a chance to increase the conservative margin in the court it now s a must win just to maintain the narrow margin. Not to mention Ginsberg and other aging Justices. The next president will impact the country for decades to come.
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This is my biggest fear. Not what Obama will do, but what the Republicans won't. Thus far Paul Ryan is another gutless joke, just like Boehner, only without the tears. Ryan caved to most everything Obama wanted. He better not this time.
Ryan can go pound sand. He has nothing to do with confirming a Supreme Court Justice. This fight is between the Senate and the White house.
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Ryan can go pound sand. He has nothing to do with confirming a Supreme Court Justice. This fight is between the Senate and the White house.
Correct!
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The next president will get to appoint a replacement for Ginsburg, she said she would not leave wile Obama was in office. Of course the old bat has to LIVE that long.
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I've heard that the next President will appoint as many as 3 Justices.
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That is what I have been reading as well Bill. Prior to this weekends events they were talking two and possibly three, now I am hearing most likely three with a slim chance of only two.
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Frankly, I'm confused about what the republicans have said...that no matter who Obama nominates they will not approve them. It doesn't make any sense to me, as those kinds of statements give the left and the media (same thing) ammo. Huge asshat talking points against the obstructionist right.
In my mind it would have been better to state that Obama had better nominate someone in the mold of Scalia, or they will not be approved.
If they said that, then they could gleefully smack down his douchebag nominations like Holder, Loretta Lynch, his wife, or any other bonehead progressive he comes up with. If he actually came up with someone good, which I seriously doubt, they could approve them and look like heroes.
I just don't get it.
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Jay, They don't want to be bothered with the fight while they are busy with the campaign. Frankly, considering how poor the Dem field is I would be surprised if Obama was willing to generate any more hatred toward himself and his party.
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It's pretty simple. It's total political war this time. Neither side can give in. If Obama does, and appoints someone "just like Scalia", (which he'll NEVER do), the court remains the same, with a slight conservative advantage. If Obama appoints another Kagen or Sotomayor, (which he almost for sure WILL DO), it shifts the Supreme Court to a liberal advantage.
The stage is set, and everyone who hasn't been living in a cave for the last 40 years knows and accepts what is on the line this time..... Namely the entire country. Let the name calling and accusations begin. None of it matters. Trump is right yet again. The Republicans have to DELAY, DELAY, DELAY. It really is just that simple.
Then pray to God a Republican gets in this November. If it's Hillary or Sanders, forget the country as you now know it. It will be gone forever.
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I agree with jaybeth. Words have power. We want someone like we had, so why not say that we will look at and "consider" nominees? Doesn't mean we will approve or even vote on, but it is more civil and sends a coperative message.
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Who do you expect to score points with by "being cooperative" with the blood enemies of everything Western civilization is based on ?
Are you actually naive enough to think the liberal propaganda organs that pass as modern media will report positively on it ?
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Who do you expect to score points with by "being cooperative" with the blood enemies of everything Western civilization is based on ?
Are you actually naive enough to think the liberal propaganda organs that pass as modern media will report positively on it ?
Exactly. If the Republicans do anything other than rubber stamp Obama's nomination without uttering a single word, they'll be called names and demeaned by the press. So piss on all of them right out of the starting gate. Trump has shown they can be called every name in the book, and the Republicans won't lose an ounce of support. Hell, they'll probably gain it, much like Trump has. They need to come out swinging like there is no tomorrow.
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Keep in mind that right now Barak Obama is a far worse threat to the well being of this country, than Vladimir Putin could ever hope to be. He should be treated as such.
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I agree guys. We should just keep acting like jerks and ass holes and expect things to change. I'm not saying we needs to give up our principles, buy it is time for someone to act like a mature adult.
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I agree guys. We should just keep acting like jerks and ass holes and expect things to change. I'm not saying we needs to give up our principles, buy it is time for someone to act like a mature adult.
The Republicans have been acting "mature", and trying to remain civil with these ass wipe Democrats for how long now? And where has it gotten them? The hell with civility. I'm sick and tired of these people. The liberal socialists are a far worse enemy to the United States, than any foreign leader is... Including Putin. As far as I'm concerned, if they got shot it would be doing America a great service. Who would miss Obama, Clinton, or Pelosi? I would like the Flu. I'll vote for Trump based on the fact he calls them exactly what they are. And judging from his poll numbers I'm not alone.
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As far as their motivations I'm thinking BillT might be onto something. Maybe they just said, "Hey, it has worked great for Trump, so 'F*** you, Obama'". The big O has certainly crapped on them enough to give them incentive. Maybe it IS all over...put up or shut up.
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Some people never learn.
We ave been reasonable, and civil to these pieces of shit for 50 years and have continuous lot ground.
The reason Trump is doing so well is because he has quit the BS and says what he thinks and damn the consequences.
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Nowhere have I said give in. What I am saying is shut up, and act like adults. And Tom, we have not been civil for several years. Neither have they, but they know how to do it in a way that makes us look like idiots - Look at how they handled the entire birth certificate situation. They didn't do anything except verbally deny and let our rants make us look stupid. To this day there is no proof Pres. BHO is legally in office, but don't dare even question it, because we handled it poorly.
We need to remember that the President has the responsibility to lead, and he has the right to make a nomination. Let the system work! This is the same system we accuse them of ignoring, so why should we deny the right when they actually want to follow it. Once the nomination is made, we can go through the same process and do what is right with the nomination.
Stop and think for just a moment what this does for the image of conservatives. When I teach hunter education I use the national statistics: 11% of the population is anti-hunting, 10% is pro-hunting, and the other 89% are neutral. How we act determines where the neutral are next time they are exposed to a hunter and hunting. What does the immature ranting and blind statement that we will obstruct the Constitutional process do to the attitudes of the "89%" in this matter?
Quite frankly, I am fed up with the pre-school brats who can't play in the sandbox. Sit down and do you jobs within the system, and quit running around like frat boys at a kegger bragging about how big and tough they are. Think of the worst case in this one: 1. We stop Pres. BHO cold; 2. We offend people on both sides; 3. We are faced with the reality that the DFL are much better communicators than the GOP (while we were in business, economics, and political science classes, they were taking speech, debate, and theater, and learning how to communicate in effective ways), and they will make us look like idiots (birthers all over again); 4. We could lose vital positions in the election; and 5. Hillary Dillary will come up with someone beyond your worst nightmare ... and they will be confirmed.
Remain calm, act civil, work the system, and live to play on our field next January*.
*We are demanding a wait until January anyway, so why not do it in a civil manor that leaves a good taste in the mouths of the voter making the choices in November?
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Damn well put, Michael!
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Remain calm, act civil, work the system, and live to play on our field next January.
Too late for that.
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M58 I didn't say you said give in.
I said that you , like the liberals, want to keep doing the same things that have never worked before. .
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Where did I say that Tom? I just said that we need to act like adults. Conservatives have struggled with that for many years.
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You keep talking about being polite to America hating assholes who advocate rioting, looting, racism and killing cops.
That's just plain stupid.
If you don't get that then you'll never get and further comment is a waste of my time.
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Read my earlier comment: It isn't about the person we are dealing with as much as it is about the perception and attitude developed by the on looker. Those we are fighting are excellent about making us look like irrational, hate mongers, who can't tell time or tie our shoes without a nursemaid. We can fight the fight while using multi syllable words that consist of more than four letters, and wouldn't require a long string of beeps with broadcast over the airwaves.
What have we gained by ranting that any Pres. BHO nominee will not get a chance and that we will stop the process? What have we lost in terms of respect by ranting to any microphone that we will not even consider the Pres. doing his job as detailed in the Constitution?
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On another note, and a prime chance for a calm clear minded commentator:
Pres. BHO is not going to attend the funeral on Saturday. In the release it was not stated why, and when questioned they did not know what he had planned.
A good chance to use our inside voice and discuss the importance of showing respect for the life that was lived and for the family left behind. Time to lead by example and participate in the funeral process for an American leader.
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Pres. BHO is not going to attend the funeral on Saturday. In the release it was not stated why, and when questioned they did not know what he had planned.
A good chance to use our inside voice and discuss the importance of showing respect for the life that was lived and for the family left behind. Time to lead by example and participate in the funeral process for an American leader.
What do you think Trump would say if asked to comment on Obama not attending Scalia's funeral? He would no doubt call Obama an asshole, or words to that effect. The harsher his ripping of Obama, the higher his poll numbers would climb. If there is one thing that can be said for certain about this election, is the harsher liberals are treated by Republicans, the more the public likes it. This whole concept of "being gentlemanly" to Democrats, goes over like a turd in a punch bowl. Republicans are sick and tired of being shit on for being nice to Democrats. It doesn't work, and it never will.
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As much as I am overly sensitive to how the community at large looks at gun owners, I have to agree that in a political sense, tactics are and maybe should be changing. No matter what tact we take, Dems simply lie, call us names, and threaten our culture with a bigotry of beliefs that is every bit as vehement as the racial bigotry they profess to hate.
No matter how we try to frame a conversation, they call us a name and tell us to go f*** ourselves. So, maybe it is time to dismiss them as ignorant, bigoted morons. Things are already ugly, it's just that we've been on the receiving end way too often.
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Very brief report, more to come..
This is a game changer...
Not much else matters to gun owners.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/us/politics/scalias-death-offers-best-chance-in-a-generation-to-reshape-supreme-court.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/us/politics/scalias-death-offers-best-chance-in-a-generation-to-reshape-supreme-court.html)
Professor Ginsburg said a court dominated by liberals could reshape Second Amendment rights without overruling the Heller decision and its 2010 successor, McDonald v. Chicago.
“If we got a fifth liberal on the court, the pendulum would swing pretty quickly on gun control,” he said. “I expect that we’d see a major shift in the kind of gun control laws that get approved by the court. Look for enhanced registration requirements as the first step.”
Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion in Heller, and he grew frustrated by what he saw as lower courts’ lawless refusal to follow it by sustaining all manner of gun control laws.
A new Obama appointee would make successful Second Amendment challenges to gun control laws even less likely,