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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on March 11, 2016, 07:49:29 AM
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You can skip to 2:20 in the video to just see the opening.
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Don't know anything about the safe locking mechanism, so feel free (like anyone wouldn't) to correct my assumption here.
Seems like if a powerful magnet could cause a electronic lock to retract the locking mechanism a second lock operating in reverse would engage it's mechanism when the magnet was applied?
How does the magnet know if the thrown bolts are engaging or releasing?
The primary mechanism engages/disengages by the control panel and disengages when a strong magnet is present.
The secondary mechanism is normally disengaged but engages when a strong magnetic field is present.
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Also, if there's not a mechanical override, electronic locks can fail and prevent you from entering the safe at all. I think MB experience this a while back.
Only electronics I have are my small pistol safes and that's mainly to keep the grand kids out. They have key overrides. My main safe is a standard dial, which a pro-safecracker could open, but not a typical robber with a magnet.
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My safes are standard dial...I learned my lesson. And, so, apparently, did Cannon, who offer safes with an electronic lock with dial back-up. Everyone learned to spell "EMP."
mb
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My safes are standard dial...I learned my lesson. mb
As are all of mine. I just can't see the advantage of employing electronics to do something manually mechanical. I give you the Remington Etronix as an example.
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Mine are not dial and I now find myself looking for a local lock smith to swap them out. Fun, fun, fun. :-[ :-[ :-[
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The S&G Dial Combination Locks have been around forever. And while they may not afford "bank vault" security..... They can't be opened in 3 seconds, by teenagers with a magnet either.
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The S&G Dial Combination Locks have been around forever. And while they may not afford "bank vault" security..... They can't be opened in 3 seconds, by teenagers with a magnet either.
Looked at some on amazon and just now sure if I could install it without destroying the safe. :(
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If you want to change it out, just call a local locksmith and tell him what you're looking to do. The price might not be so bad. Especially if he gives you a core credit for the electronic one he removes.
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Looked at some on amazon and just now sure if I could install it without destroying the safe. :(
If you haven't found it already, there is a detailed "how to" on Calguns forum, IIRC. I think I printed it to PDF in case I decided to buy a safe with one of these "advanced" locks.
Correction, it was on AR15.comhttp://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_46/372087_Replacing_an_Electronic_lock_with_Mechanical.html (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_46/372087_Replacing_an_Electronic_lock_with_Mechanical.html).
The pics are missing, so I posted a PDF version I saved a couple of years ago. It has the pics. Great tutorial. http://www.douloscomputer.com/Electronic_to_mechanical_lock_change.pdf (http://www.douloscomputer.com/Electronic_to_mechanical_lock_change.pdf)
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If you haven't found it already, there is a detailed "how to" on Calguns forum, IIRC. I think I printed it to PDF in case I decided to buy a safe with one of these "advanced" locks.
http://www.douloscomputer.com/Electronic_to_mechanical_lock_change.pdf (http://www.douloscomputer.com/Electronic_to_mechanical_lock_change.pdf)
Thank you very much. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Don't know anything about the safe locking mechanism, so feel free (like anyone wouldn't) to correct my assumption here.
Seems like if a powerful magnet could cause a electronic lock to retract the locking mechanism a second lock operating in reverse would engage it's mechanism when the magnet was applied?
How does the magnet know if the thrown bolts are engaging or releasing?
The primary mechanism engages/disengages by the control panel and disengages when a strong magnet is present.
The secondary mechanism is normally disengaged but engages when a strong magnetic field is present.
IMHO, the flaw in any electronic lack is that it has to have some servo method of opening and closing. It is a challenge to design a mechanism where this cannot be exploited.
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I let myself get talked into an electronic lock on the Canon. Wish I had a dial and yes, I can spell
E M P
I had a lapse few years ago though. So here I am with an electronic lock I don't want.
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It isn't just as drastic as EMP.
A severe solar flare can trash it and if I remember correctly MB's was taken out by a dead battery..
I would NEVER trust important items like access to guns to an electronic device if there a mechanical or manual option.
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Thankfully not everything fits in the safe... ;D