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Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:49:29 AM »
You can skip to 2:20 in the video to just see the opening.

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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2016, 10:41:22 AM »
Don't know anything about the safe locking mechanism, so feel free (like anyone wouldn't) to correct my assumption here.

Seems like if a powerful magnet could cause a electronic lock to retract the locking mechanism a second lock operating in reverse would engage it's  mechanism when the magnet was applied?

How does the magnet know if the thrown bolts are engaging or releasing?

The primary mechanism engages/disengages by the control panel and disengages when a strong magnet is present.

The secondary mechanism is normally disengaged but engages when a strong magnetic field is present.
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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2016, 11:08:07 AM »
Also, if there's not a mechanical override, electronic locks can fail and prevent you from entering the safe at all.   I think MB experience this a while back. 

Only electronics I have are my small pistol safes and that's mainly to keep the grand kids out.  They have key overrides.   My main safe is a standard dial, which a pro-safecracker could open, but not a typical robber with a magnet.
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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2016, 11:42:47 AM »
My safes are standard dial...I learned my lesson. And, so, apparently, did Cannon, who offer safes with an electronic lock with dial back-up. Everyone learned to spell "EMP."

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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2016, 01:08:24 PM »
Quote from: Michael Bane on March 11, 2016, 11:42:47 AM
My safes are standard dial...I learned my lesson. mb

As are all of mine. I just can't see the advantage of employing electronics to do something manually mechanical. I give you the Remington Etronix as an example.
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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 01:31:46 PM »
Mine are not dial and I now find myself looking for a local lock smith to swap them out. Fun, fun, fun. :-[ :-[ :-[
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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2016, 01:41:50 PM »
The S&G Dial Combination Locks have been around forever. And while they may not afford "bank vault" security..... They can't be opened in 3 seconds, by teenagers with a magnet either.
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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2016, 02:17:11 PM »
Quote from: billt on March 11, 2016, 01:41:50 PM
The S&G Dial Combination Locks have been around forever. And while they may not afford "bank vault" security..... They can't be opened in 3 seconds, by teenagers with a magnet either.

Looked at some on amazon and just now sure if I could install it without destroying the safe. :(
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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2016, 02:59:52 PM »
If you want to change it out, just call a local locksmith and tell him what you're looking to do. The price might not be so bad. Especially if he gives you a core credit for the electronic one he removes.
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Re: Why It's A Good Idea To Avoid Electronic Locking Safes
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2016, 03:03:05 PM »
Quote from: ar154me on March 11, 2016, 02:17:11 PM
Looked at some on amazon and just now sure if I could install it without destroying the safe. :(

If you haven't found it already, there is a detailed "how to" on Calguns forum, IIRC.  I think I printed it to PDF in case I decided to buy a safe with one of these "advanced" locks.

Correction, it was on AR15.comhttp://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_46/372087_Replacing_an_Electronic_lock_with_Mechanical.html.

The pics are missing, so I posted a PDF version I saved a couple of years ago.  It has the pics.  Great tutorial. http://www.douloscomputer.com/Electronic_to_mechanical_lock_change.pdf
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