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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TAB on October 14, 2021, 11:18:10 AM
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In Norway.
5 people dead, radical Islam convert.
I give it 2 days before some pos in thr usa calls for bow control
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In Norway.
5 people dead, radical Islam convert.
I give it 2 days before some pos in thr usa calls for bow control
2 sticks and a string ?
Good luck with that. ;D
On a vaguely related topic, I ran across this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uRDFhLZhDQ
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In Norway.
5 people dead, radical Islam convert.
I give it 2 days before some pos in thr usa calls for bow control
When bows are outlawed, only outlaws will have bows. :P
Crusader Rabbit
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I need to go and buy up arrows right now. They will probably go up x5 times in the next little while.
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When bows are outlawed, only outlaws will have bows. :P
Crusader Rabbit Robin Hood
Fixed it for you. ;D
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I guess that would make crossbows "Assault" bows?
$200.00 tax stamp and 6-month waiting time.
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I need to go and buy up arrows right now. They will probably go up x5 times in the next little while.
Have you priced arrow recently?
The arrows i like victory ripxv are 200/dozen with the ss inserts bare shafts.
More news on the story, turns out the guy was a recent convert to .... yep the religion of peace, and was known to be radicalized.
All the victims were between 50-70 years old.
Most people would not recognize a bow going off as a danger sound. The arrow impact is way louder than the bow. Unless you are seeing them shoot, most people would not know what is happening until people start hitting the ground.
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Ran into a pair of jerks yesterday talking about regulations and controlling bows. One commented that it would be easy, because there is "no bow and arrow amendment." This is the point I couldn't control myself, and I found myself asking them what part of "arms" did they not understand. Everything went south from there, but it was fun.
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;D They said "arms" instead of "guns" specifically to include bows, swords, pikes, bayonets along with the firelocks, muskets, fowling pieces , pistols, volley guns, blunderbuss , arquebus, musketoons and rifles.
Damn.
We come up with a LOT of shit to kill each other with .
Did any one ever suggest that people maybe aren't actually that social after all ? ::) ;D
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;D They said "arms" instead of "guns" specifically to include bows, swords, pikes, bayonets along with the firelocks, muskets, fowling pieces , pistols, volley guns, blunderbuss , arquebus, musketoons and rifles.
Damn.
We come up with a LOT of shit to kill each other with .
Did any one ever suggest that people maybe aren't actually that social after all ? ::) ;D
The training i had in the coast guard after 911, let's just say a crazy person with a gun is so far down on my list of things a crazy person could use its not even funny
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The training i had in the coast guard after 911, let's just say a crazy person with a gun is so far down on my list of things a crazy person could use its not even funny
But, that doesn't fit the current talking points and agenda. WE MUST CONTROL, er, I mean get rid of those scary nasty weapons of war.
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But, that doesn't fit the current talking points and agenda. WE MUST CONTROL, er, I mean get rid of those scary nasty weapons of war.
Yep. Let's just take 1 shooting form a few years ago... the Miami guy night club. By many accounts he brought a 50# back pack full of ammo. A loaded ar mag is just over a pound( gi mags) do the math.
He killed about 50 people and injured about another 50. We have no idea how many of those were pass thru, but let's just assume they were all aimed shots.
How many people would have got out of there if he had used 25# of black powder in a 6" metal pipe and the rest of the weight in nails?
What if he had 40# of anfo?( commercial fertilizer and diesel) which has a energry density of 3.7 million jouls per kg. By comparison black powder just under 3mj/kg.
Anfo has a pressure of ~25 kbar. Thats 25000 x 14.5 psi
Black powder has a max pressure of 27000 psi..
Just to give you some idea of the difference in power levels. They weigh almost exactly the same ( 1 gram/cm3 difference black powder being heavier) if he had used either of those 2 things in his back pack the rates would have been much higher, I doubt the building would be fixable with black powder, it would not have been standing with anfo.
The federal building bombing was made with super crude anfo and about 5k # of it.
Oh yeah, did I mention no one would bat an eye from some one buying a 50# bag of ammonium nitrate and 1 gallon of diesel. Its about 94/6% ratio by weight. If you have half a brain and a chemistry book you could even remove the filler from the fertilizer and basicly make commercial grade anfo. With stuff available at every hardware store in the us.
Lets not forget the worst solo terrorist attack was in fancy and he used a stolen medium duty truck.
I could go on about chemical agents, and fire bombs, but I think I made my point.
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Dang Tab. The feds will be on your behind now...
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Yep. Let's just take 1 shooting form a few years ago... the Miami guy night club. By many accounts he brought a 50# back pack full of ammo. A loaded ar mag is just over a pound( gi mags) do the math.
He killed about 50 people and injured about another 50. We have no idea how many of those were pass thru, but let's just assume they were all aimed shots.
How many people would have got out of there if he had used 25# of black powder in a 6" metal pipe and the rest of the weight in nails?
What if he had 40# of anfo?( commercial fertilizer and diesel) which has a energry density of 3.7 million jouls per kg. By comparison black powder just under 3mj/kg.
Anfo has a pressure of ~25 kbar. Thats 25000 x 14.5 psi
Black powder has a max pressure of 27000 psi..
Just to give you some idea of the difference in power levels. They weigh almost exactly the same ( 1 gram/cm3 difference black powder being heavier) if he had used either of those 2 things in his back pack the rates would have been much higher, I doubt the building would be fixable with black powder, it would not have been standing with anfo.
The federal building bombing was made with super crude anfo and about 5k # of it.
Oh yeah, did I mention no one would bat an eye from some one buying a 50# bag of ammonium nitrate and 1 gallon of diesel. Its about 94/6% ratio by weight. If you have half a brain and a chemistry book you could even remove the filler from the fertilizer and basicly make commercial grade anfo. With stuff available at every hardware store in the us.
Lets not forget the worst solo terrorist attack was in fancy and he used a stolen medium duty truck.
I could go on about chemical agents, and fire bombs, but I think I made my point.
This is what I point out every week. Like many others on here, I grew up in the 60's/70's. We know what deadly weapons are. Enter the 80's and a popular TV show that emphasized the power of items in every home kitchen.
It all still comes down to England's knife ban. Long before you ban enough, you eliminate everything in our daily lives.
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Turnsout the dead were stabbed.
Achmed Tell l wasn't so great with his bow after all.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/norway-attack-killings-latest-1.6214907
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Says only the cop was hit with an arrow... I still bet liberals want to ban bows.
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One of the most successful recent European mass attacks was with a truck. A U-Haul, Home Depot, or other large pickup or panel truck would do more damage than any firearm short of a crew-served weapon, and it's harder to stop. Police on foot are essentially powerless while the vehicle's in motion.
I won't even mention the mass attacks with kitchen knives, machetes, etc. that have been carried out in train stations and other public places in China, with casualties comparable to the Orlando nightclub attack. US media doesn't cover those, but the UK Daily Mail does, in detail.
Dirty Bob
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I won't even mention the mass attacks with kitchen knives, machetes, etc. that have been carried out in train stations and other public places in China, with casualties comparable to the Orlando nightclub attack. US media doesn't cover those, but the UK Daily Mail does, in detail.
Dirty Bob
Then of course there is gun free Japan.
Almost no shootings at all, despite double our suicide rate.
The favored method is gas stoves and damn the explosions.
Their largest mass murder ?"
Sarin gas in the subway, basicly bad chicken soup and a science project.
If you want to kill some one there is ALWAYS a tool available.
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Then of course there is gun free Japan.
Almost no shootings at all, despite double our suicide rate.
The favored method is gas stoves and damn the explosions.
Their largest mass murder ?"
Sarin gas in the subway, basicly bad chicken soup and a science project.
If you want to kill some one there is ALWAYS a tool available.
House hold bleach and ammonia mixed produce chloramine. When you use reagent grade (chemical company grade)hypochlorate and nh4. It goes from being dangerous, to raging Karen with pms bad.
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House hold bleach and ammonia mixed produce chloramine. When you use reagent grade (chemical company grade)hypochlorate and nh4. It goes from being dangerous, to raging Karen with pms bad.
It seems that we may be drinking it.
https://www.epa.gov/dwreginfo/chloramines-drinking-water
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Yes, it is in very small quantities, it also destroys copper pipe as it can react with in and form small pockets of cl2 - that that binds with the copper. It is also very dangerous to fish/ anfibs
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This is what makes me so disgusted with the A holes.
Anything can be a weapon.
And it's not like that's a big friggin' secret.
Sept 11 rubbed their noses in it .
Box cutters ?
Really ?
It won't even stab, but you're going to kill a couple thousand people with 20 of them ?
Did you ever sit and consider how many devices we have invented just to kill A holes ?
I don't mean generalities like "spears, and guns", I mean specifically purpose designed items like, Lance, Javelin, Pilum, and Pike.
Or Firelock, Arquebus, Musket, Musketoon, rifle, carbine, and Short rifle.
The problem is not the tools.
The fact is that humans are just a murderous bunch of bastards and if they can't bash you with a rock they will build a civilization to develop something that can kill you.
And then put a Hello Kitty sticker on it. ;D