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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Fatman on September 20, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
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FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
Friday, September 19, 2008
This week, the FBI released its crime report for 2007 and, once again, gun control supporters are taking it on the chin.
It's not just that the nation's violent crime rate decreased slightly between 2006 and 2007. It's that every year since 2002 it has been lower than anytime since 1974, leading the Justice Department to say that violent crime is "near a 30-year low." Since 1991, violent crime has dropped 38 percent. Murder is now at a 40-year low, lower than anytime since 1966 every year from 1999 to the present, and down 43 percent since 1991.
"More guns means more crime?" Only in anti-gunner "La-La Land." Violent crime has fallen as the number of guns has increased 4.5 million a year. There are more gun owners, owning more guns than ever before, and violent crime is lower than anytime since Gerald Ford became president!
We can hardly wait to see the Brady Campaign try to spin this one with its asinine "state grades" stunt. In 2007, the major U.S. cities with the highest murder rates were cities with severe gun control. The top three? Detroit (where Michigan law requires a permit to purchase a handgun), Baltimore (where Maryland law restricts private handgun sales and requires a seven-day waiting period on handgun sales by dealers), and the District of Columbia (with its handgun ban and its firearm registration law). Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and D.C. had the highest robbery rates.
In 2007, as in years past, Right-to-Carry states had lower violent crime rates, on average, compared to the rest of the country with total violent crime lower by 24 percent, murder by 28 percent, robbery by 50 percent, and aggravated assault by 11 percent. Further, in 2007, 32 percent of murders were committed without firearms of any sort--knives accounted for 12 percent, hands and feet six percent, and blunt objects four percent. Rifles and shotguns (semi-automatic and otherwise) accounted for three percent each, and typically "assault weapons" have accounted for about one percent.
Find this item at: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4181
Wow. You could have knocked me over with a feather. ;D And note, "assault weapons" is in 'what the hell does this mean?' quotes.
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I hate to pop your cherry... but guns, play little to no role in crime stats. I would be willing to bet that I could make a corollary between violent crime and the number of strawberry milk shakes sold.
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I hate to pop your cherry... but guns, play little to no role in crime stats. I would be willing to bet that I could make a corollary between violent crime and the number of strawberry milk shakes sold.
I would be willing to bet you would do the same thing. ::) Come on, man. I think that Cali air may be affecting the reasoning center.
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I would be willing to bet you would do the same thing. ::) Come on, man. I think that Cali air may be affecting the reasoning center.
If you mean affecting it by using logic and reason, not emotion. Then you are correct.
Guns are not "cuase and effect" for crime stats, never have been, never will be.
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If you mean affecting it by using logic and reason, not emotion. Then you are correct.
Guns are not "cuase and effect" for crime stats, never have been, never will be.
Sorry TAB, but California IS the land of Fruits and Nuts. Logic and reason is only found out there on the set of Star Trek.
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News flash, TAB. One of the cornerstones of anti rhetoric is more guns = more crimes. And CCW? We're obviously experiencing the Wild West scenario all over this country. Also a big Brady Bunch crowd prediction. ::)
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That report makes me proud to be one of the people who pack down here in Texas! ;D
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That report makes me proud to be one of the people who pack down here in Texas! ;D
And Florida!
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And NH ;D
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I hate to pop your cherry... but guns, play little to no role in crime stats. I would be willing to bet that I could make a corollary between violent crime and the number of strawberry milk shakes sold.
While I will submit that you can make statistics read any way you want them, the Crime Report is very specific in how a crime is committed as to type of crime to what type of weapon. Also just as Fatman mentions, the Brady Campaign to Disarm America uses those same numbers to say that violent crime IS directly tied to the number of firearms. Just because the greater report is contradictory to what Brady has said is irrelevant. They take the 1% of “assault weapons” and xx% of crime committed with handguns and uses that to say that crime is due to the weapon. They totally ignore, for the moment, that 12% are knives and 6% are bodily harm. No it isn’t a cause and effect relationship; but the Brady people want the general public to think so.
What the numbers DON’T say is the number of violent crimes that are not committed due to the possibility of a weapon being present. Those statistics are not reported because we can’t know 100% the target selection criteria of a criminal. There is documented evidence that criminals have and do break off possible crimes when presented with less than favorable conditions, including the presence or possible presence of a firearm. That is why most burglaries are during the daylight hours while homeowners are at work. Nobody is there to defend the property.
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....And SC
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While I will submit that you can make statistics read any way you want them, the Crime Report is very specific in how a crime is committed as to type of crime to what type of weapon. Also just as Fatman mentions, the Brady Campaign to Disarm America uses those same numbers to say that violent crime IS directly tied to the number of firearms. Just because the greater report is contradictory to what Brady has said is irrelevant. They take the 1% of “assault weapons” and xx% of crime committed with handguns and uses that to say that crime is due to the weapon. They totally ignore, for the moment, that 12% are knives and 6% are bodily harm. No it isn’t a cause and effect relationship; but the Brady people want the general public to think so.
What the numbers DON’T say is the number of violent crimes that are not committed due to the possibility of a weapon being present. Those statistics are not reported because we can’t know 100% the target selection criteria of a criminal. There is documented evidence that criminals have and do break off possible crimes when presented with less than favorable conditions, including the presence or possible presence of a firearm. That is why most burglaries are during the daylight hours while homeowners are at work. Nobody is there to defend the property.
Might add I just checked Brady's website (with my eyes squinted, a clothespin on my nose and a garlic necklace on) they had a section on CCW and how they said it was ineffective because # The number of crime victims who successfully use firearms to defend themselves is quite small. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports and the Centers for Disease Control, out of 29,569 Americans who died by gunfire in 2004, only 229 were shot in justifiable homicides by private citizens with firearms.9
# More guns = more crime, or at the very least they impede reduction of the crime rate. A 1999 study by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence (formerly the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence), using FBI crime statistics, demonstrated that relaxing CCW laws may have an adverse effect on a state's crime rate.
Interesting to see the Brady Bunch only consider self defense w/ a firearm successful if you kill the criminal. And there's the more guns = more crimes statement.
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I'd also like to point out that in some states CCWs are public record( by name in states like OR) Some are just listed by number, and others are Can not be released by state law. Places like AK and vermont do have CCW permits... There are way to many "road blocks" to get any type of solid stats when it comes to CCW, or firearms in general.
As much as I would love to say that X ammount of CCW stops Y ammount of crime, its does not work that way.
Just something to think about for all you "true beleavers"
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...............and Iowa.
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...............and Iowa.
Where? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/fragend/confused-smiley-013.gif)
;D
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I'd also like to point out that in some states CCWs are public record( by name in states like OR) Some are just listed by number, and others are Can not be released by state law. Places like AK and vermont do have CCW permits... There are way to many "road blocks" to get any type of solid stats when it comes to CCW, or firearms in general.
As much as I would love to say that X ammount of CCW stops Y ammount of crime, its does not work that way.
Just something to think about for all you "true beleavers"
The "total" number of licenses issued are not covered by confidentuality laws, because the states that issue them must account for the money recieved for the license. So there is an available number to use in the crime stats. Besides, the origonal article only made the corrollary between the number of violent assaults (down) to the number of guns sold (up) in the states with less restrictive gun laws on the books. States with increases in violent assauts have more restrictive firearms laws.
I hate to bust your bubble, but when you step on something squishy, and it smells like s**t. You can call it anything you want, but it's still s**t.
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Actually they could just lump it all into one lump sum with out giving exact numbers. Some states take privicy very serious, others do not.
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Where? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/fragend/confused-smiley-013.gif)
Iowa. You know, that place between Minnesocold and Misery. It's not Heaven, it's Iowa. lol
;D
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....... and KY
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Actually they could just lump it all into one lump sum with out giving exact numbers. Some states take privicy very serious, others do not.
Actually they can't. It's called book keeping or accounting. States that don't do it have financial crises. Oh wait, that's California. ;D
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Add Kansas to the list. ;)
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Add Kansas to the list. ;)
Kansas is always on my list. 2 of the girls live near Wichita.