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FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« on: September 20, 2008, 10:05:59 PM »


 
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FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
 
Friday, September 19, 2008
 

This week, the FBI released its crime report for 2007 and, once again, gun control supporters are taking it on the chin.

 

It's not just that the nation's violent crime rate decreased slightly between 2006 and 2007.  It's that every year since 2002 it has been lower than anytime since 1974, leading the Justice Department to say that violent crime is "near a 30-year low."  Since 1991, violent crime has dropped 38 percent.  Murder is now at a 40-year low, lower than anytime since 1966 every year from 1999 to the present, and down 43 percent since 1991.

 

"More guns means more crime?"  Only in anti-gunner "La-La Land."  Violent crime has fallen as the number of guns has increased 4.5 million a year.  There are more gun owners, owning more guns than ever before, and violent crime is lower than anytime since Gerald Ford became president!

 

We can hardly wait to see the Brady Campaign try to spin this one with its asinine "state grades" stunt.  In 2007, the major U.S. cities with the highest murder rates were cities with severe gun control.  The top three?  Detroit (where Michigan law requires a permit to purchase a handgun), Baltimore (where Maryland law restricts private handgun sales and requires a seven-day waiting period on handgun sales by dealers), and the District of Columbia (with its handgun ban and its firearm registration law).  Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and D.C. had the highest robbery rates.

 

In 2007, as in years past, Right-to-Carry states had lower violent crime rates, on average, compared to the rest of the country with total violent crime lower by 24 percent, murder by 28 percent, robbery by 50 percent, and aggravated assault by 11 percent.  Further, in 2007, 32 percent of murders were committed without firearms of any sort--knives accounted for 12 percent, hands and feet six percent, and blunt objects four percent.  Rifles and shotguns (semi-automatic and otherwise) accounted for three percent each, and typically "assault weapons" have accounted for about one percent.

 

Find this item at: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4181

Wow. You could have knocked me over with a feather.  ;D  And note,  "assault weapons" is in 'what the hell does this mean?' quotes.
Anti: I think some of you gentleman would choose to apply a gun shaped remedy to any problem or potential problem that presented itself? Your reverance (sic) for firearms is maintained with an almost religious zeal. The mind boggles! it really does...

Me: Naw, we just apply a gun-shaped remedy to those extreme life threatening situations that call for it. All the less urgent problems we're willing to discuss.

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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2008, 11:07:37 PM »
I hate to pop your cherry... but guns, play little to no role in crime stats.  I would be willing to bet that I could make a corollary between violent crime and the number of strawberry milk shakes sold. 
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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 12:42:41 AM »
I hate to pop your cherry... but guns, play little to no role in crime stats.  I would be willing to bet that I could make a corollary between violent crime and the number of strawberry milk shakes sold. 

I would be willing to bet you would do the same thing. ::)  Come on, man.  I think that Cali air may be affecting the reasoning center.
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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 12:48:47 AM »
I would be willing to bet you would do the same thing. ::)  Come on, man.  I think that Cali air may be affecting the reasoning center.

If you mean affecting it by using logic and reason, not emotion.  Then you are correct. 

Guns are not "cuase and effect" for crime stats, never have been, never will be.
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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 10:12:40 AM »
If you mean affecting it by using logic and reason, not emotion.  Then you are correct. 

Guns are not "cuase and effect" for crime stats, never have been, never will be.

Sorry TAB, but California IS the land of Fruits and Nuts. Logic and reason is only found out there on the set of Star Trek.
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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2008, 07:31:20 AM »
News flash, TAB. One of the cornerstones of anti rhetoric is more guns = more crimes. And CCW? We're obviously experiencing the Wild West scenario all over this country. Also a big Brady Bunch crowd prediction.   ::)
Anti: I think some of you gentleman would choose to apply a gun shaped remedy to any problem or potential problem that presented itself? Your reverance (sic) for firearms is maintained with an almost religious zeal. The mind boggles! it really does...

Me: Naw, we just apply a gun-shaped remedy to those extreme life threatening situations that call for it. All the less urgent problems we're willing to discuss.

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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 09:39:35 AM »
That report makes me proud to be one of the people who pack down here in Texas! ;D
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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 09:41:46 AM »
That report makes me proud to be one of the people who pack down here in Texas! ;D

And Florida!
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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2008, 11:15:27 AM »
And NH  ;D

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Re: FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 12:23:55 PM »
I hate to pop your cherry... but guns, play little to no role in crime stats.  I would be willing to bet that I could make a corollary between violent crime and the number of strawberry milk shakes sold. 

While I will submit that you can make statistics read any way you want them, the Crime Report is very specific in how a crime is committed as to type of crime to what type of weapon.  Also just as Fatman mentions, the Brady Campaign to Disarm America uses those same numbers to say that violent crime IS directly tied to the number of firearms.  Just because the greater report is contradictory to what Brady has said is irrelevant.  They take the 1% of “assault weapons” and xx% of crime committed with handguns and uses that to say that crime is due to the weapon.  They totally ignore, for the moment, that 12% are knives and 6% are bodily harm.  No it isn’t a cause and effect relationship; but the Brady people want the general public to think so. 

What the numbers DON’T say is the number of violent crimes that are not committed due to the possibility of a weapon being present.  Those statistics are not reported because we can’t know 100% the target selection criteria of a criminal.  There is documented evidence that criminals have and do break off possible crimes when presented with less than favorable conditions, including the presence or possible presence of a firearm.  That is why most burglaries are during the daylight hours while homeowners are at work.  Nobody is there to defend the property. 
When seconds mean the difference between life and death, the police will be minutes away.

You are either SOLVING the problem, or you ARE the problem.

 

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