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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on November 21, 2008, 06:17:55 PM
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http://www.tauntongazette.com/opinions/x1720662840/Gun-rights-could-stand-more-limitations
Gun rights could stand more limitations
By Charles Winokoor, Staff Writer
GateHouse News Service
Posted Nov 20, 2008 @ 05:45 PM
Today’s headline may indeed be tomorrow’s distant memory, but the accidental shooting death last month of 8-year-old Christopher Bizilj was a story that should not be easily forgotten.
Bizilj was the Ashford, Conn. youngster who died as a result of a “machine gun shoot” held at a Western Mass. gun club.
He died after the Micro Uzi machine gun he fired at the Westfield Sportsman’s Club recoiled backwards and shot him once in the jaw.
How any sane adult, be they gun enthusiast or recreational hunter, could be a party to such a bizarre event is itself inexplicable.
Immediately after the tragic accident, John Rosenthal, founder of a non-profit called Stop Handgun Violence (but also a gun owner himself), said that a loophole in the federal assault weapons ban needed to be plugged, so that a specific age limit for handling such a weapon is on the books.
State Rep. Michael Costello of Newburyport said he would draft a bill banning anyone under 21 from legally firing an automatic weapon.
And that begs another question: Why in the world is anyone of any age without formal, military training allowed to shoot a machine gun at an outside range?
I know, I know. It’s our Second Amendment right to bear arms and protect ourselves and our property (”The British are coming, the British are coming!”), and God bless the National Rifle Association for going that extra mile to ensure our freedom to amass a personal arsenal and fire at will.
With apologies to the late Charlton Heston, I just don’t get it.
If I could submit a bill this January it would be one restricting anyone from buying an assault weapon unless first undergoing a special training course, something that in a perfect world the NRA would stand behind.
...if some guy with a single-shot rifle can make a deadly mistake, then likewise very few people among the general population should have the liberty of shooting off a machine gun.
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And whats your answer to that question?
Oh yeah, I don't have a prob with people owning machine guns. I've shot every thing from a american 180 to a ma duce.
I don't think they are fun to shoot, even less when your buying the ammo and loading the mags.
They also have no real role in the civilan world.( other then people that think its fun to shoot them)
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Quote from TAB:
They also have no real role in the civilan world.( other then people that think its fun to shoot them)
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Its the Zombies! For those that go through the ass probing regulations and costs of getting a "machine gun" permit process ALREADY in place,... Good Grief this is America!
Last time I checked anyway,... maybe some would prefer Europe version 2.0
I hear England has some gun laws that this gov't wants to model itself after,... kinda makes the American Revolution worthless won't it?
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I think you have a better chance of aliens anally probing you then you do of being attacked by zombies.
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They also have no real role in the civilan world.( other then people that think its fun to shoot them)
"A well armed militia" is no longer feasible with muskets.
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"A well armed militia" is no longer feasible with muskets.
yeah... thats why the arm issuses full auto to every one... oh wait, the M4 is not full auto.
Still waiting for your answers to his question.
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I'll give you an answer TAB. There is no compromise on civil rights. As long as the 1st amendment is considered to allow Flag desecration, then no one has any legal grounds to infringe on my exercise of the second amendment.
Now go back to your bridge before the Billy goats get you.
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yeah... thats why the arm issuses full auto to every one... oh wait, the M4 is not full auto.
Still waiting for your answers to his question.
Tab, are you ex/current military/law enforcement?
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Tab, are you ex/current military/law enforcement?
He was an "Officer" in the Coast Guard, Probably an Ensign or Lt. JG as he "Commanded" a big (11 Meter) Zodiac.
We all know about Ensigns and Lt's JG.
Question, who is the most dangerous man afloat ? Ans. A Lt. JG with a compass. ;D
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He was an "Officer" in the Coast Guard, Probably an Ensign or Lt. JG as he "Commanded" a big (11 Meter) Zodiac.
We all know about Ensigns and Lt's JG.
Question, who is the most dangerous man afloat ? Ans. A Lt. JG with a compass. ;D
ooo rah!!
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Dudes! Am I hearing you guys bagging on TAB because he was Coast Guard? Didn't we just have a thread talking about how great the guard was?
Maybe you're just joshing him...I've spent most of my life near a CG base, and they go out in the MOST horrible crap you can imagine to rescue dumbass sportsmen who don't know when to come in out of the storm.
I've seen them protect a whole town after a Nor'easter...look what they did in New Orleans when the Feds couldn't get out of their own way enough to get bottled water down there.
Just can't sit here and see that without commenting. They may not storm hills or drop into enemy territory on a regular basis, but the Coast Guard does work that takes some big brass ones.
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Dudes! Am I hearing you guys bagging on TAB because he was Coast Guard? Didn't we just have a thread talking about how great the guard was?
Maybe you're just joshing him...I've spent most of my life near a CG base, and they go out in the MOST horrible crap you can imagine to rescue dumbass sportsmen who don't know when to come in out of the storm.
I've seen them protect a whole town after a Nor'easter...look what they did in New Orleans when the Feds couldn't get out of their own way enough to get bottled water down there.
Just can't sit here and see that without commenting. They may not storm hills or drop into enemy territory on a regular basis, but the Coast Guard does work that takes some big brass ones.
I respect the Coast Guard and the job that they do..... I'm giving TAB crap for living in California for too long ;D..... "If you lie down with dogs...."
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I respect the Coast Guard and the job that they do..... I'm giving TAB crap for living in California for too long ;D..... "If you lie down with dogs...."
Two good points.
Rant on.
As for the CG...they have some great guys who put it all on the line to help...but they do have their desk flying bureaucrats advancing by using the CG as the EPA's environmental wing to hang oil companies and generate $$$$'s. Fatcat fishing boats and yacht's changing their oil, mixing it with Dawn soap and pumping it overboard everywhere and if they spot the motor oil floating up by a platform they nail the oil company...which of course did not get a sample to prove it was a refined product...some poor working guy loses his job and the CG gets a political atta boy.
Off rant.
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Not ragging TAB for being in the CG, The war those guy's fight (against the sea and all it can do) NEVER ends. I'm ragging on TAB for being a junior officer (they don't put Admirals in charge of Zodiacs ). There is a reason that the Services put junior officers with Senior NCO's and it isn't to remind the NCO where he left his coffee cup ;D
Junior officers who are going to be any good will listen to the voice of experience. This is TAB we are discussing, what do YOU think ?
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The best training is experance, no doubt about that.
I took a medical discharge to avoid riding a desk...
For all of you people that say the USCG is a envormental ,gov... Law enforcement is a a big part of the USCG dutys, They didn't pass the laws... thank washington for that. Most people that are discharging things they should not be, know they are doing it and know( as it there has to be a plate in the engine compartment telling them its illegal) it is illegal.
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The reason I asked about TAB's background is that his statements about machine gun owership echoes what I have heard from those who are a part of or have been a part of those communities. I am NOT saying that ALL military/LE shares his views. I'm saying it has been my experience that is where I have encountered the most resistance to legal machine gun ownership.
Based upon the type of posts he's made, I've noticed most are designed to yank our chains more than anything. It's kind of like someone has to take the other view point, so it might as well be him. At the worst, I think he is posing as a 2A supporter, but is in fact, a "plant" by the anti-2A orgs to agitate on our site. At the most benign, I think he is just a GRSINO- Gun Rights Supporter In Name Only.
I think he does contribute valuable material to our site though. How? He keeps us thinking about our positions and that only makes us sharper. It's kind of like how a knife is sharpened.....
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TAB's last post brings to mind an interesting historical note. The modern Coast Guard was formed when the "Life Boat Service" was combined with the Treasury Dept.'s "Revenue Cutter Service", effectively putting life saving and law enforcement together in one service.
As to TAB himself,a little story, One time Davy Crockett took a vote among his Tenn. Volunteers that came out with only 1 no vote, when he asked that guy why he voted no the answer was " In popular Govt. no vote should ever be unanimous" , but he can still be darned annoying.
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I've done both.
I never liked aresting people or writing tickets. only one time we had to fish some one out of the water... most calls were got for help were for things like running out of gas or broken down ( those were only in emergencys, or in the shiping lane) I also enjoyed the complementry safety checks that were offered as community service. I am and always will be a life long boater, lots of great people, limited number of ass holes.