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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TSB on December 30, 2008, 07:11:37 AM
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What did Oliver Winchester manufacture before he bought Volcanic Arms in 1855?
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Clothing.
Richard
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Clothing.
Richard
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding......Excellent! ;D
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Was it just shirts or other clothing too?
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Was it just shirts or other clothing too?
Encarta says the following;
"Trained as a carpenter, Winchester was employed from 1830 to 1837 in the construction business in Baltimore, Maryland, after which he opened a men’s clothing shop. This led to an interest in manufacturing, and in 1848 Winchester patented a shirt-making process and established a factory in New Haven, Connecticut, from which he amassed a fortune."
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I always heard that he made shirts but didn't know he patented anything for it. I love trivia and can't get enough gun trivia.
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What is the most sought after pistol for collectors and why?
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What is the most sought after pistol for collectors and why?
A .45 caliber luger? Think there might be only one or two in existence.
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A .45 caliber luger? Think there might be only one or two in existence.
;D
This is cool, lets keep the trivia going! I believe that the one that was used by the Army during trials against the M1911 and the Savage was destroyed by the Army. She was "run hard and put away wet"...
From some research there may have been four more made by DWM.
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;D
This is cool, lets keep the trivia going! I believe that the one that was used by the Army during trials against the M1911 and the Savage was destroyed by the Army. She was "run hard and put away wet"...
From some research there may have been four more made by DWM.
The one known to have survived was auctioned a couple (?) years ago, I think Christie's handled it, it brought $ 9 million.
What industry did Hiram Maxim start out in?
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The one known to have survived was auctioned a couple (?) years ago, I think Christie's handled it, it brought $ 9 million.
What industry did Hiram Maxim start out in?
Coachbuilding?
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Which firearms manufacturer is one of the oldest family owned businesses in the world?
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The one known to have survived was auctioned a couple (?) years ago, I think Christie's handled it, it brought $ 9 million.
What industry did Hiram Maxim start out in?
Coachbuilding?
Maxim was born in Sangerville, Maine in the United States of America. He became an apprentice coachbuilder at the age of 14 and ten years later took up a job at the machine works of his uncle, Levi Stephens, at Fitchburg, Massachusetts. He subsequently worked as an instrument maker and as a draughtsman.
Maxim is also credited with inventing the common mousetrap and, as a long-time sufferer from bronchitis, he also patented and manufactured a pocket menthol inhaler and a larger "Pipe of Peace", a steam inhaler using pine vapour, that he claimed could relieve asthma, tinnitus, hay fever and catarrh.[6] After being criticised for applying his talents to quackery, he protested that: "it will be seen that it is a very creditable thing to invent a killing machine, and nothing less than a disgrace to invent an apparatus to prevent human suffering".
Maxim developed and installed the first electric lights in a New York City building (the Equitable Insurance Company, 120 Broadway) in the late 1870s.
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Which firearms manufacturer is one of the oldest family owned businesses in the world?
Berretta.
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Berretta.
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Correct, circa 1526...
FABBRICA D'ARMI PIETRO BERETTA S.p.A.
Didn't Maxim also design the first recoil operated machine gun?
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Correct, circa 1526...
FABBRICA D'ARMI PIETRO BERETTA S.p.A.
Didn't Maxim also design the first recoil operated machine gun?
Maxim was reported to have said: "In 1882 I was in Vienna, where I met an American whom I had known in the States. He said: 'Hang your chemistry and electricity! If you want to make a pile of money, invent something that will enable these Europeans to cut each others' throats with greater facility' ".
As a child, Maxim had been knocked over by a rifle's recoil, and this inspired him to use that recoil force to automatically operate a gun. Between 1883 and 1885 Maxim patented gas, recoil and blow-back methods of operation. After moving to England, he settled in a large house formerly owned by Lord Thurlow in West Norwood where he developed his design for an automatic weapon, using an action that would close the breech and compress a spring, by storing the recoil energy released by a shot to prepare the gun for its next shot. He thoughtfully ran announcements in the local press warning that he would be experimenting with the gun in his garden and that neighbours should keep their windows open to avoid the danger of broken glass.
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I thought Berreta was the oldest manufacturing business, period, family owned or not. I have to look into it.
Kongo Gumi, a Buddhist temple construction company founded in 578, ranked as the world’s oldest family firm. But in 2006, Kongo Gumi closed, burdened with decreasing demand and $343 million in debt. Over 1,400 years in business. :o
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The one known to have survived was auctioned a couple (?) years ago, I think Christie's handled it, it brought $ 9 million.
What industry did Hiram Maxim start out in?
Gas Lighting fixtures
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Gas Lighting fixtures
Hiram's only schooling was what he gleaned from five years of learning in a one-room Sangerville schoolhouse. At the age of 14, he was apprenticed to Daniel Sweat, an East Corinth carriage maker who had recently returned to Sangerville. Hiram went to work for Mr. Sweat in Abbott and it was there that he perfected his first invention - an automatic mousetrap that soon rid the Abbot grist mill of mice. That invention was soon followed by others, including a silicate blackboard. Shortly afterward, young Maxim traveled through Canada, New England, and New York State, where he met Spencer D. Schuyler, founder of the United States Electric Lighting Co. Schuyler hired Maxim as his chief engineer and soon the former sheep-tender was busy working on dynamos, arc lamps and other electrical devices. In an impressive list of 271 patents filed, Maxim invented a prototype of a curling iron, an apparatus for demagnetizing watches, magno-electric machines, devices to prevent the rolling of ships, eyelet and riveting machines, aircraft artillery, a flying machine, smokeless powder, an aerial torpedo gun, coffee substitutes, and various oil, steam, and gas engines.
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Who developed the first .30-30 cartridge?
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Who developed the first .30-30 cartridge?
I don't know, but I bet he stuttered.
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Who developed the first .30-30 cartridge?
That's a trick question. I had to look it up to find the right answer. :o
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That's a trick question. I had to look it up to find the right answer. :o
It's no trick, just a question!
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Winchester invented the .30 WCF but their competition decided to call it .30-30 instead of .30 Winchester Center Fire. The correct answer would be that Marlin invented the .30-30 name for the .30 WCF cartridge that was invented by Wichester. Winchester invented the cartridge but not the name. Marlin invented the name but not the cartridge. So if you say Winchester you're wrong and if you say Marlin you're wrong. That's why I think it's a trick question.
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Winchester invented the .30 WCF but their competition decided to call it .30-30 instead of .30 Winchester Center Fire. The correct answer would be that Marlin invented the .30-30 name for the .30 WCF cartridge that was invented by Wichester. Winchester invented the cartridge but not the name. Marlin invented the name but not the cartridge. So if you say Winchester you're wrong and if you say Marlin you're wrong. That's why I think it's a trick question.
No trick Frank! True it was developed for the Marlin Co. for a knockoff of a Winchester design but who developed the cartridge for Marlin?
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From what I read they didn't develop anything, they just chambered their rifles in .30 WCF but called it .30-30 so it didn't have Winchester in the name. Like when the .357 SIG came out and somebody called it .357 Auto because they didn't want the SIG name on a Ruger or whatever pistol it was. I'll search again later and see what I can find. UMC made the ammo for Marlin since they didn't make their own. My 7th edition Cartridges of the World just says Winchester designed it. End of story.
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Here's some trivia. The US Govt. has adopted 3 .30 caliber rounds over the years, 30/40 Krag .30-06 and 7.62X51. Everytime they have used a different method of designation. .30/40 Krag, was designed as the last black powder cartridge, .30 caliber 40 grains of powder for the US Krag Jorgenson rifle. .30 -06 (actually there was a short lived .30-03 as well) .30 caliber adopted in 1906. Then of course the 7.62X51 is the metric measurement. According to my Sierra reloading manual, (I checked) all use the same diameter bullet, .308.
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Here's some trivia. The US Govt. has adopted 3 .30 caliber rounds over the years, 30/40 Krag .30-06 and 7.62X51. Everytime they have used a different method of designation. .30/40 Krag, was designed as the last black powder cartridge, .30 caliber 40 grains of powder for the US Krag Jorgenson rifle. .30 -06 (actually there was a short lived .30-03 as well) .30 caliber adopted in 1906. Then of course the 7.62X51 is the metric measurement. According to my Sierra reloading manual, (I checked) all use the same diameter bullet, .308.
If it wasn't hard enough to keep track of they had two .30s at the same time when the Carbine came out. In typical military fashion they wanted to call the first type of ammo for each rifle and carbine Caliber .30, M1 and the next type of ammo Caliber .30 M2. The carbine used a fourth type of designation since it didn't add any other numbers to the .30.
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Good point, I checked, it also uses a .308 diameter bullet. ( in looking up the carbine I noticed that 7.62x39 and .303 British both use a .311 dia. bullet)
What was the first sub .30 caliber cartridge rifle issued to US combat forces ?
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Good point, I checked, it also uses a .308 diameter bullet. ( in looking up the carbine I noticed that 7.62x39 and .303 British both use a .311 dia. bullet)
What was the first sub .30 caliber cartridge rifle issued to US combat forces ?
I was going to say .22 LR but that was for practice not combat. The first thing that came to mind was 5.56x45mm then I remembered the 6mm Lee Navy.
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What semi-rimless cartridge is based on the 6mm Lee Navy?
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I was going to say .22 LR but that was for practice not combat. The first thing that comes to mind is 5.56x45mm then I remembered the 6mm Lee Navy.
Da#@ I thought it would take longer than 3 1/2 minutes ;D, Yes, the Marines and Navy used the straight pull Lee "Navy" in 6mm during the Spanish American war. It had a design issue that caused the extractor to fall out during firing and the smokeless powder of the day was not able to get the best performance out of it but it was a much more "modern" design than the Krag that the Army used.
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From what I read they didn't develop anything, they just chambered their rifles in .30 WCF but called it .30-30 so it didn't have Winchester in the name. Like when the .357 SIG came out and somebody called it .357 Auto because they didn't want the SIG name on a Ruger or whatever pistol it was. I'll search again later and see what I can find. UMC made the ammo for Marlin since they didn't make their own. My 7th edition Cartridges of the World just says Winchester designed it. End of story.
"Union Metallic Cartridge Company (U.M.C.) located in Bridgeport, Connecticut. U.M.C. replicated the .30 WINCHESTER SMOKELESS cartridge but gave it a different name. Since 30 grains of smokeless powder was initially used in this cartridge, they named it the .30-30. Cartridges were head stamped U.M.C. / .30-30 S. The S was dropped from the headstamp within a few years."
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What semi-rimless cartridge is based on the 6mm Lee Navy?
The .243 Winchester?
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What semi-rimless cartridge is based on the 6mm Lee Navy?
Was it the .220 Swift?
From Wayne Van Zwoll:
What of the 6mms? If the .223 is too light for pronghorns, why is the .243 approved for elk? At 3,150 fps, velocity for the 55-grain .223 bullet equals that of a 90-grain .243 bullet. Muzzle energies: 1,200 and 2,200 foot-pounds. But a bull elk outweighs a pronghorn buck 6 to 1.
We think of 6mm (.243) cartridges as modern. But the first of them appeared in the 1895 Lee straight-pull bolt rifle. Also known as the .236 Navy, the 6mm Lee Navy was a semi-rimmed round chambered in about 15,000 military rifles. Its 112-grain bullet ambled along at only 2,560 fps but could have been driven much faster had modern powders been available. That bullet was very long; rifling twist was 1:7-1/2. The 6mm Lee Navy died in 1935. Shortly thereafter, the .220 Swift was born of the same case.
http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/RifleCart/Rifles/LittleSixes.htm
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Timothy got it, The 6mm evolved into the .243 and .244, the .220 swift uses the same case but a different caliber bullet.
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Timothy got it, The 6mm evolved into the .243 and .244, the .220 swift uses the same case but a different caliber bullet.
Thanks, that was pretty much a wild a$$ guess on my part!
Converted 6 x .03937 in my head and that was the closest I could guess! Actually, I never heard of a .236...so .243 worked for me....
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Check this from Wiki pedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6mm_Lee_Navy
It does not mention the .243, that came from a site I found about the Spanish American war, but I can't find it now.
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It does not mention the .243, that came from a site I found about the Spanish American war, but I can't find it now.
http://www.spanamwar.com/lee.htm
The T. Rooseveldt bio on the History Channel over the weekend was great. Old Teddy was quite a character...
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Dammit.
;D
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What was the original intent for adding rifling to a firearm barrel?
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Was it the .220 Swift?
From Wayne Van Zwoll:
What of the 6mms? If the .223 is too light for pronghorns, why is the .243 approved for elk? At 3,150 fps, velocity for the 55-grain .223 bullet equals that of a 90-grain .243 bullet. Muzzle energies: 1,200 and 2,200 foot-pounds. But a bull elk outweighs a pronghorn buck 6 to 1.
We think of 6mm (.243) cartridges as modern. But the first of them appeared in the 1895 Lee straight-pull bolt rifle. Also known as the .236 Navy, the 6mm Lee Navy was a semi-rimmed round chambered in about 15,000 military rifles. Its 112-grain bullet ambled along at only 2,560 fps but could have been driven much faster had modern powders been available. That bullet was very long; rifling twist was 1:7-1/2. The 6mm Lee Navy died in 1935. Shortly thereafter, the .220 Swift was born of the same case.
http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/RifleCart/Rifles/LittleSixes.htm
You got it. The .220 Swift is the only caliber I know of based on a 6mm Lee Navy case. See where it says parent case in the box on the right side of the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.220_Swift Most people don't know the Swift is semi-rimmed, even some people who shoot it. One guy was really surprised when I told him that about his own rifle. The rim is the same diameter as the .30-06 and over 100 other calibers, but the body of the case is skinnier.
The .243 Winchester is based on a .308 Winchester case and it's rimless, not semi-rimless, but thanks for playing, guys. ;D
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What was the original intent for adding rifling to a firearm barrel?
To make it easier to load. Think "fouling" and "muzzle-loader" and you get the picture.
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Check this from Wiki pedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6mm_Lee_Navy
It does not mention the .243, that came from a site I found about the Spanish American war, but I can't find it now.
The 6mm served as the basis for the .220 Swift, which used a necked-down 6mm case. That's what I was talking about. :)
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To make it easier to load. Think "fouling" and "muzzle-loader" and you get the picture.
Yes, it was done to prevent fouling of the barrel from lead build up giving the shooter more loads between cleanings of the barrel. The first rifled barrel dates back to about 1498-1500. The increased accuracy achieved was purely by accident as are most great inventions.
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Who invented the 450 Bushmaster cartridge?
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Who invented the 450 Bushmaster cartridge?
Why Tim LeGendre of LeMag Firearms...of course.......... :)
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Yep. One day at work he showed me his .45 Professional cartridge that the 450 is based on. It's made from .284 Winchester cases cut off at the neck. He was making .475 Wildey Magnum cases from .284 and had a flash of genius - make it as long as possible and stick it in an AR-15. And he said that Gene Stoner told him it wouldn't work.
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What unit of measurement were Russian rifle sights callibrated for prior to 1930?
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Here's a hint. It's equal to 28 inches. Now you know it's not a yard or a meter.
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Here's a hint. It's equal to 28 inches. Now you know it's not a yard or a meter.
A lunar month?
What's that, he said inches? Never mind . . . ;)
PS: Having 3 of your avatars on the screen at the same time is both annoying and mesmerizing.
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A cubit, measurement from fingertip to elbow, as in Noah.
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A cubit, measurement from fingertip to elbow, as in Noah.
No, a cubit is 45.72 cm or about 18 inches.
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Arshins.
An Arshin equals .71 meters or .78 yards, which equates to 28 inches.
After 1930 Russia moved to the metric system and began utilizing meters when calibrating rifles.
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Rods?
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Rods?
Nope ... a rod is 16.5', and four rods is one chain (66'). More trivia - if you are planting a field that is a full 1/2 mile in length, one rod in width equals one acre.
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Pace or Step ?
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What unit of measurement were Russian rifle sights callibrated for prior to 1930?
Arshins
Darn, I answered the question on the previous page did not see where CDR got it. ;D
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Arshins.
An Arshin equals .71 meters or .78 yards, which equates to 28 inches.
After 1930 Russia moved to the metric system and began utilizing meters when calibrating rifles.
Congratulations.
You too Tom.
Actually they went metric in 1924 but it took until 1930 to update the rifle sights. That was the second update of the Mosin-Nagant M1891 and was known as the Mosin-Nagant 1891/30.
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Congratulations.
You too Tom.
Actually they went metric in 1924 but it took until 1930 to update the rifle sights. That was the second update of the Mosin-Nagant M1891 and was known as the Mosin-Nagant 1891/30.
Here's a good link (pdf) to a rifle and carbine ordnance manual from 1954 that describes the differences in the various Soviet Mosin-Nagant models.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/other/mosin.pdf
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What unit of measurement was used to determine the gauge of a shotgun barrel?
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What unit of measurement was used to determine the gauge of a shotgun barrel?
It is the number of solid lead balls with the same diameter as the barrel that could be made from one pound of lead.
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It is the number of solid lead balls with the same diameter as the barrel that could be made from one pound of lead.
Outstanding.....!! ;D
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Outstanding.....!! ;D
Firearm Safety ... Third night ;D
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Firearm Safety ... Third night ;D
I know, I've lived all over the country and every time I move to another state I have to go through the "Safety", "Hunting", "Boating" courses all over again. Stuff that in the 60's and 70's, was required by every 6th grader in the MI public schools. Pretty much know the stuff by heart.....but a refresher never hurts when safety is concerned...
Sure do miss the Mid-west.....
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It is the number of solid lead balls with the same diameter as the barrel that could be made from one pound of lead.
Where's a 410 come in under this? BB gun? :)
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Where's a 410 come in under this? BB gun? :)
More or less the only true "caliber" shotgun...don't count one out. I watched a ten year old girl back in '73 drop a doe, dead in her tracks with a .410 from about 75 feet.
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More or less the only true "caliber" shotgun...don't count one out. I watched a ten year old girl back in '73 drop a doe, dead in her tracks with a .410 from about 75 feet.
True.
Now a little legal disclaimer - I do not advocate, advise, suggest or guarantee the following information. It is never safe to load and or fire ammunition from a firearm that was not designed for the ammunition or load ammunition into a firearm it was not designed for. Children, and kitty cats, do not do this at home or away!
You can load and fire a .45 Long Colt in a .410 shotgun (many experts that know nothing more than which end of a beer can to drink from swear that this is how the Taurus Judge came about). I don't know about all states, but I do know that Minnesota Conservation Officers, and several surrounding States, will not cut you any slack if they catch you hunting during slug season with a .410. Their experience is that you are more than likely shooting a rifle or handgun cartridge than shotgun slug.
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Where's a 410 come in under this? BB gun? :)
It's a 68-gauge shotgun. Somewhere between 67 and 68 gauge, but not quite equal to either.
Next question. ?
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More or less the only true "caliber" shotgun...don't count one out. I watched a ten year old girl back in '73 drop a doe, dead in her tracks with a .410 from about 75 feet.
Compare the ballistics of a .410 slug and a .38 Special and you won't believe what the charts say. I've seen a deer killed by a .410 once. But only once. There used to be 9mm shotguns too, so there were at least 2 "caliber" shotguns. I don't know if they still make them but maybe they do in Europe. Ammo is still available whether the guns are or not. http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#9mm%20Rimfire%20____-_
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Compare the ballistics of a .410 slug and a .38 Special and you won't believe what the charts say. I've seen a deer killed by a .410 once. But only once. There used to be 9mm shotguns too, so there were at least 2 "caliber" shotguns. I don't know if they still make them but maybe they do in Europe. Ammo is still available whether the guns are or not. http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#9mm%20Rimfire%20____-_
Were they true "shotguns, or just smooth bores ?
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Were they true "shotguns, or just smooth bores ?
Shotguns. I've only seen pictures of single shots. They called them GARDEN GUNS and they're apparently still popular in Europe and Great Britain. Winchester made them too about 80 years ago. Other companies made them at least into the mid-'60s. People didn't need a 12 gauge to keep rabbits from nibbling their lettuce go they got a cheap little 9mm. Some rimfire blanks are the length of the fat section of the case and the odd shape has me wondering how it came to be. Maybe the skinny part used to be paper and the fat part made it a high brass shell. Maybe it was something else necked down. It's not in my book.
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Besides 10, 12, 16, 20, 28, and .410 there are 2 other shotgun gauges still being manufactured within this range. What are they? Bill T.
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Besides 10, 12, 16, 20, 28, and .410 there are 2 other shotgun gauges still being manufactured within this range. What are they? Bill T.
14 and 24 gauges...
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14 and 24 gauges...
Half right. 24 and 32 Gauge. Bill T.
http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=3&categoryId=19410&categoryString=653***9217***
http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=3&categoryId=19409&categoryString=653***9217***
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Half right. 24 and 32 Gauge. Bill T.
I'll go two thirds...14 gauge is still used in Europe! ;D, forgot about the 32 though...
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there is also a 9 mm rim fire shot gun, but those are extremly rare. I handled one about 5 years ago, when I found out shells were around $75/ 50 I handed it back to the clerk.
New question time( this one is easy)
What was the 1st production rifle cartridge to break 3000 fps?
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New question time( this one is easy)
What was the 1st production rifle cartridge to break 3000 fps?
Savage 250-3000
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there is also a 9 mm rim fire shot gun, but those are extremly rare. I handled one about 5 years ago, when I found out shells were around $75/ 50 I handed it back to the clerk.
New question time( this one is easy)
What was the 1st production rifle cartridge to break 3000 fps?
The 9mm rimfire is the one I was talking about. Ammo is $21.99 for a box of 50 at Midway.
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Savage 250-3000
Here's another easy one. What caliber is based on the .250-3000 and hits over 4,000 fps?
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22- 250
but it was called the 22 varmator at 1st.
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8) I didn't know about the varminter name.
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The 9mm rimfire is the one I was talking about. Ammo is $21.99 for a box of 50 at Midway.
Not when I was looking to buy the shot gun in question... If I knew it was going to be that cheap I would have bought the gun. Its kind of like 5mm rem mag... if I knew they were going to start remaking the ammo I would have bought up all the guns I could find.
The 22-250 started out life as a wild cat. :)
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Wasn't there an 8 gauge shotgun way back in the day?
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8 gauges are still being made, but I think it was outlawed for sporting puposes. They have special loads for blowing cinders out of industrail kilns.
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8 gauges are still being made. They have special loads for blowing cinders out of industril kilns.
yep. remington still makes the gun and the ammo. The gun is pump action and is mounted on a tripod.
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What gun is this?
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1412-1.jpg)
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Dunno, but it looks like a pellet gun.
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It looks like a Crossman pellet gun
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CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR, ONLY MADE 1 YEAR, 1968
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Daisy VL-22. Fires caseless .22 ammo which is worth almost as much as the gun. Bill T.
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What gun is this?
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1412-1.jpg)
Dammit, Bill...you beat me to it....I type slow.... ;D
Daisy V/L rifle. These were made a very short time in 1968 and and by 1969 were gone. They shoot the 22 caliber caseless air ignited V/L ammunition. Daisy was the first company to introduce a production caseless ammunition and rifle, the V/L Rifle, in 1968. The V/L ammunition consisted of a .22 caliber bullet with a small disk of propellant on the back, and no primer. The rifle resembled a typical spring-air rifle, but the hot, high pressure air served not only as a power source but also to ignite the propellant on the back of the V/L cartridge. The V/L guns and ammunition were discontinued in 1969 after the BATF ruled that they constituted a firearm, and Daisy, which was not licensed to manufacture firearms, decided to discontinue manufacture rather than become a firearms manufacturer. About 23,000 of the rifles were made before production ceased.
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If you want to doll it up a bit, here are some really nice drop in, finished Walnut stocks for only $75.00. Bill T.
http://macongunstocks.net/daisy_vl_22_fajen_gunstocks_108.html
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CORRECTAMUNDO ;D Believe it or not, I have 3900 rounds of ammo and it still go's bang. 8)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1412.jpg)
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CORRECTAMUNDO ;D Believe it or not, I have 3900 rounds of ammo and it still go's bang. 8)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1412.jpg)
I was gonna say that the other half is gonna kill ya when she finds out you spilled white paint all over her couch!...
Anyone have any idea of the value of this particular little gem?
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If you have a magnum spring-air pellet rifle the compressed air has more than enough heat to ignite gun oil. It's called dieselling and will make a pellet gun into a real gun until it blows the seals out. That's what I read anway. If I ever get a good pellet rifle I'm going to try NOT to wreck it. I've had my eye of a couple RWS air rfles for
years decades but don't want to part with my hard earned cash. Now I wish I had bought one when $US were still worth something.
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CORRECTAMUNDO ;D Believe it or not, I have 3900 rounds of ammo and it still go's bang. 8)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1412.jpg)
Could you post a close up of a round, this is really cool, I'd never heard of this.
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Found one at gunbroker.com.
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Does the bullet have a hollow base filled with propellant or is it like a pill stuck on the bottom ?
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It's a compressed primer/powder charge bonded in some way to the base of the bullet.
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There may be a little stud sticking out the back of the bullet. I saw some other caseless ammo that was made that way. Kind of like the Hornady Lock-N-Load Speed Sabot except only half the length of the propellant. M25operator, could you dissect a round for us?
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OK JFrank, done, but will have to post pics tomorrow from work. The bullet base does have a very small spud that the powder/primer compound cleaves to.
Timothy, the rifle fetches 100 - 200 bucks, ( sold for 40 new ) but the ammo is 85 - 100 bucks per 1,000. So my rig is worth 400 - 500 bucks at this time. I like that I have enough ammo to play with it. ;D I know your gonna ask, so here it is, paid a hundred bucks for the whole deal, but I'm not looking to sell, it came from the estate of a great friend of mine. It and a few other guns I got, remind me of him and his wife everytime I shoot them. ;D :'(
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Thanks m25 for sacrificing a round just for curiousity's sake.
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Thanks m25 for sacrificing a round just for curiousity's sake.
What he said . And for the rest of the lesson as well.
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As promised.
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Cool, to bad no one ever followed up on this.
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Does anyone know what the compound is that is used as a propellant?