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Re: Trivia
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2008, 11:45:47 PM »
What semi-rimless cartridge is based on the 6mm Lee Navy?
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2008, 11:50:09 PM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on December 30, 2008, 11:42:49 PM
I was going to say .22 LR but that was for practice not combat. The first thing that comes to mind is 5.56x45mm then I remembered the 6mm Lee Navy.

Da#@ I thought it would take longer than 3 1/2 minutes  ;D, Yes, the Marines and Navy used the straight pull Lee "Navy" in 6mm during the Spanish American war. It had a design issue that caused the extractor to fall out during firing and the smokeless powder of the day was not able to get the best performance out of it  but it was a much more "modern" design than the Krag that the Army used.
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2008, 06:09:50 AM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on December 30, 2008, 11:07:51 PM
From what I read they didn't develop anything, they just chambered their rifles in .30 WCF but called it .30-30 so it didn't have Winchester in the name. Like when the .357 SIG came out and somebody called it .357 Auto because they didn't want the SIG name on a Ruger or whatever pistol it was. I'll search again later and see what I can find. UMC made the ammo for Marlin since they didn't make their own. My 7th edition Cartridges of the World just says Winchester designed it. End of story.

"Union Metallic Cartridge Company (U.M.C.) located in Bridgeport, Connecticut. U.M.C. replicated the .30 WINCHESTER SMOKELESS cartridge but gave it a different name. Since 30 grains of smokeless powder was initially used in this cartridge, they named it the .30-30. Cartridges were head stamped U.M.C. / .30-30 S. The S was dropped from the headstamp within a few years."

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Re: Trivia
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2008, 07:04:09 AM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on December 30, 2008, 11:45:47 PM
What semi-rimless cartridge is based on the 6mm Lee Navy?

The .243 Winchester?
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2008, 11:28:48 AM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on December 30, 2008, 11:45:47 PM
What semi-rimless cartridge is based on the 6mm Lee Navy?

Was it the .220 Swift?



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What of the 6mms? If the .223 is too light for pronghorns, why is the .243 approved for elk? At 3,150 fps, velocity for the 55-grain .223 bullet equals that of a 90-grain .243 bullet. Muzzle energies: 1,200 and 2,200 foot-pounds. But a bull elk outweighs a pronghorn buck 6 to 1.

We think of 6mm (.243) cartridges as modern. But the first of them appeared in the 1895 Lee straight-pull bolt rifle. Also known as the .236 Navy, the 6mm Lee Navy was a semi-rimmed round chambered in about 15,000 military rifles. Its 112-grain bullet ambled along at only 2,560 fps but could have been driven much faster had modern powders been available. That bullet was very long; rifling twist was 1:7-1/2. The 6mm Lee Navy died in 1935. Shortly thereafter, the .220 Swift was born of the same case.

http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/RifleCart/Rifles/LittleSixes.htm
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #35 on: Today at 10:04:48 AM »
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2008, 11:34:38 AM »
Timothy got it, The 6mm evolved into the .243 and .244, the .220 swift uses the same case but a different caliber bullet.
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2008, 12:41:49 PM »
Quote from: tombogan03884 on December 31, 2008, 11:34:38 AM
Timothy got it, The 6mm evolved into the .243 and .244, the .220 swift uses the same case but a different caliber bullet.

Thanks, that was pretty much a wild a$$ guess on my part!

Converted 6 x .03937 in my head and that was the closest I could guess!  Actually, I never heard of a .236...so .243 worked for me....
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2008, 04:02:01 PM »
Check this from Wiki pedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6mm_Lee_Navy

It does not mention the .243, that came from a site I found about the Spanish American war, but I can't find it now.
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Re: Trivia
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2008, 04:08:15 PM »
Quote from: tombogan03884 on December 31, 2008, 04:02:01 PM
It does not mention the .243, that came from a site I found about the Spanish American war, but I can't find it now.

http://www.spanamwar.com/lee.htm

The T. Rooseveldt bio on the History Channel over the weekend was great.  Old Teddy was quite a character...

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Re: Trivia
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2008, 04:30:26 PM »
Dammit.






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