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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on January 23, 2009, 05:11:18 PM
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http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/23/obama-to-sign-eo-authorizing-aid-money-for-abortions-today/
President Barack Obama will sign an executive order later Friday ending the ban on federal funds for international groups that promote or perform abortion, officials said.
It is a move certain to please liberals and other abortion-rights advocates, and the reversal was expected in the Democrat’s first week as president.
The so-called “Mexico City policy” has been reinstated and then reversed by Republican and Democratic presidents since Repulican President Ronald Reagan established it in 1984. President Bill Clinton then ended the ban, but President George W. Bush re-instituted it in 2001 as one of his first acts in office.
By noon, the broadcast networks have their evening news well planned, and Americans as a rule go out to socialize. It’s not called the graveyard of news cycles for nothing.
It seems significant that the first such Friday afternoon news cycle of the Obama administration gets used for authorizing American tax dollars for abortions abroad. We’re spending a trillion dollars that we don’t have now for an economic stimulus that will likely make the economy worse as we pull capital out of the markets. With the federal budget deficit exploding to three times its previous size, thanks to the bailout, why should Americans pay for abortions overseas?
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I've got no problem with it. It's cheaper to kill the little America haters at -6 months than at +20 years.
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Well he is following up on one of his campaign promises. He clearly belongs to the culture of death.
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Interesting how the offspring of an unwed mother is so staunchly pro-abortion. Can you say "irony"?
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Interesting how the offspring of an unwed mother is so staunchly pro-abortion. Can you say "irony"?
I say he was the one that got away.
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I say he was the one that got away.
for how long though
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for how long though
He didn't become Pro abortion till after HE got born.
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I've got no problem with it. It's cheaper to kill the little America haters at -6 months than at +20 years.
most of those people end up being eaten by their brethren in Africa or caught in a landslide in Guatemala.
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American tax payers helping to pay for the murder of innocent babies in their mother's womb, the blood is on our hands.
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Tax dollars at work. The gov't sure is generous with the "people's" money. This is the same group that remarks the 2nd half of the TARP money, (which is "our" taxpayer money), should be distributed responsibly to those needy companies....
"Our money" whether we agree or not on abortion, is just the Gov't becoming involved with another part of society which can be handled in the private sector fine.
Carter started this, Reagan rescinded it, Clinton restarted it, Bush 43 rescinded the order, now BHO. catering to his leftists.
Don't ya just love it??? >:(
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I will just remind everyone that Planned Parent Hood enjoys tax exempt status.
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I will just remind everyone that Planned Parent Hood enjoys tax exempt status.
Typical >:( The people that enjoy the benefit of this the most don't even help pay for it >:(
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Typical >:( The people that enjoy the benefit of this the most don't even help pay for it >:(
They are the #1 abortion provider in this country, and YOU help subsidize it no matter what your religious and moral beliefs are. Here is a great read by Malkin about the issue:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/04/planned-parenthoods-obscene-profits/
Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels. That’s a third of Planned Parenthood’s budget.
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You know I'm glad he did that...
I'm not pro life or pro choice...I am; however, a big fan of removing as much reglion from the goverment as possible.
I do think Roe v wade is a joke, do to the fact that it sees abortion as contraception. Its not contraception... that would be proactive, not reactive.
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I am; however, a big fan of removing as much reglion from the goverment as possible.
I think you miss the point a little, the gov't should not sponsor religion, or impose religion. As far as not having religion in the gov't, good luck, not that I think having no religion within the gov't is good, I think religion has good morays, and to base a gov't on its morays rather than its scripture can be a good thing. Hell I think the United States of America did a good job of it.
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TAB, You need to go back and reread the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. They are NOT based on no religion in Govt. , but on no STATE religion. Both documents are strongly influenced by a belief in God as both the basis of our moral conduct and the source of our "unalienable" rights.
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TAB, You need to go back and reread the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. They are NOT based on no religion in Govt. , but on no STATE religion. Both documents are strongly influenced by a belief in God as both the basis of our moral conduct and the source of our "unalienable" rights.
TAB, another way to look at it (slightly different than what Tom said) is the 1A is there to guarantee free exercise of religion without government influence, not the free exercise of government without religious influence. It's always about the individual, not a group, and certainly not the government.
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I think you missed my point... like many "GOP values" pro life is based on regilous emotions, not conservative values... GOP values yes, conservative no.
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one question though
are they still funding retrospective abortions ;) ;) ;D heheh
caus I got a list.......
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I think you missed my point... like many "GOP values" pro life is based on regilous emotions, not conservative values... GOP values yes, conservative no.
I think the main reason we all get into these arguments with you, TAB, is that you confuse the GOP with Libertarians.
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I think the main reason we all get into these arguments with you, TAB, is that you confuse the GOP with Libertarians.
No, Your trying to contort conservatism to GOP standards. The GOP does not partice Republicanism as well, The libertains are more republican( true meaning of the word) then the GOP.
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No, Your trying to contort conservatism to GOP standards. The GOP does not partice Republicanism as well, The libertains are more republican( true meaning of the word) then the GOP.
So libertarians are more republican then republicans? See, you just proved my point.
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Pelosi & Stephanopolous discuss the hundreds of millions of dollars (pork) in the stimulus plan for family planning services (condoms and abortions)
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/26/maybe-its-all-that-talk-about-stimulus/
STEPHANOPOULOS: Hundreds of millions of dollars to expand family planning services. How is that stimulus?
PELOSI: Well, the family planning services reduce cost. They reduce cost. The states are in terrible fiscal budget crises now and part of what we do for children’s health, education and some of those elements are to help the states meet their financial needs. One of those - one of the initiatives you mentioned, the contraception, will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So no apologies for that?
PELOSI: No apologies. No. we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy. Food stamps, unemployment insurance, some of the initiatives you just mentioned. what the economists have told us from right to left. There is more bang for the buck, a term they use, by investing in food stamps and in unemployment insurance than in any tax cut.
Yes, San Fran Nan wants to throw even more money at Planned Parenthood......Mike Pence has introduced a bill to block all funding to Planned Parenthood. Contact your Representative and tell them to support HR 614
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.00614:
One more observation: Did anyone else notice the callousness of the way she refers to the unborn.... Abortions are necessary to reduce costs to the government? We are not talking about stray dogs and cats at the animal shelter here. These are unborn babies. If that is the approach we are going to start taking then why not write in some more pork to euthanize the elderly, or the homeless.... perhaps we could give free sterilizations to people on welfare...... Maybe we should have a universal "do not recessitate" law put into place...... or perhaps we should impose a 1 child per family law like China has........ good grief, I have always said that if I wanted to live in San Fransisco I would have moved there, but with Pelosi, Reid and Obama now running things I guess I no longer have a choice. GO AMERICA!
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one question though
are they still funding retrospective abortions ;) ;) ;D heheh
caus I got a list.......
Don't we all ?
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So libertarians are more republican then republicans? See, you just proved my point.
Go back to the root of the word... Its why I said true meaning of the word.
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There is more than one way some people are contributing to Planned Murderhood. The Komen-Planned Parenthood Link
# The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation (SGK)
Many people, families and organizations around the world have been writing about the shocking financial relationship beween SGK and Planned Parenthood, the Abortion Death Machine.
The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation has been funding Planned Parenthood: ( in 2003 alone: $475,000 from 21 affiliate grants.
AND they plan to continue funding Planned Parenthood. Komen claims they are paying for breast services only, BUT 2003 Planned Parenthood recodrs show that in that same year
BREAST SERVICES WENT DOWN and ABORTIONS WENT UP
MONEY IS FUNGIBLE
The Komen Foundation is supposed to be a life affirming organization:
WHY ARE THEY THEY FUNDING
PLANNED PARENTHOOD's DEATH MACHINE
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Let me get this straight - "O"no is closing Gitmo because it's cruel to "torture" people that want to kill you and I anyway that they can, then he goes and ok's the use our tax dollars abroad to rip life out of the womb? And that's not torture for that child? Oh yea he also calls himself a Christian- NOT! - I stick with he's muslim in sheeps clothing
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One more observation: Did anyone else notice the callousness of the way she refers to the unborn.... Abortions are necessary to reduce costs to the government? We are not talking about stray dogs and cats at the animal shelter here. These are unborn babies.
What you may not realize is to abortion rights activists, and those like Pelosi and BHO, a fetus is not thought of as an unborn, living thing, baby. They are merely meat sacks until the birth canal is breached. So in that respect her callousness is justified.
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Guess Nancy Pelosi wants to stop Americans from having kids so all that money the states save can be used to pay for all the anchor babies from the illegal aliens ;) To bad Pelosi's parents didn't use protection
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Guess Nancy Pelosi wants to stop Americans from having kids so all that money the states save can be used to pay for all the anchor babies from the illegal aliens ;) To bad Pelosi's parents didn't use protection
No, it's too bad they didn't abort her. I say if the abortion activists like really support abortion, the ought to abort themselves, by means of post-birth abortion.
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Capital punishment is bad , Abortion is good.
Can some one please explain the logic there ?
By the way Frosty, Muslims don't approve of abortion either.
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As with most things "liberal", it is not about abortion, it is about 2 other things: destroying American values to weaken the country leading to a one-world structure; and it is also about control over people's lives to a detail level. Any lie, and half-truth, any spin that can achieve those 2 things can never be wrong so long as it advances "the cause".
Pay no attention to this issue, it is just the water in the pot we are in being heated a couple more degrees. No big deal. Move along now, nothing to see here.
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Capital punishment is bad , Abortion is good.
Can some one please explain the logic there ?
By the way Frosty, Muslims don't approve of abortion either.
Its all at what you think of as a humen life...
I personally don't think most people on death row as humen, just trash that needs to be taken out.
I also don't think of a child that can not survie on its own as "alive". yes there are many that are in thier 40s that I don't think of as alive. ;D
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Its all at what you think of as a humen life...
I personally don't think most people on death row as humen, just trash that needs to be taken out.
I also don't think of a child that can not survie on its own as "alive". yes there are many that are in thier 40s that I don't think of as alive. ;D
TAB, where do you believe that life begins?
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I guess you missed the joke...
Its at about the point where the fetuis could survie outside the mother.
IIRC thats about the middle of the thrid trimester.
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I guess Pelosi and the other Dem leadership also view these potential future lives as trash that needs to be taken out (Costs that need to be cut)..... I guess they think that it is ok to fund and facilitate abortions for these potential future lives because statistically speaking, they will probably just go on to be unproductive citizens who will not actually contribute and pay taxes but rather just suckle at the govt teet (Is Pelosi being racist?).
Here is an idea..... if you are trying to cuts costs, how bout instead of eliminating possible "future govt expenses" we instead downsize the entitlement programs...... or hey, maybe stop killing unborn Americans and instead stop subsidizing illegal immigrantion and encouraging anchor babies?
Its all academic now anyway..... Pelosi and the Dems once again cant take the heat of public opinion:
Contraception removed from bill
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/27/no-more-safe-stimulation-contraception-removed-from-bill/
Democratic leaders in the House are nearly certain to drop federal funding for new contraceptive services and on-going programs to stop sexually transmitted diseases from the $825 billion economic stimulus bill due to hit the floor Tuesday, a senior official told FOX News.
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I personally FULLY support a woman's right to choose. I support her right to choose whether or not she will engage in activities that a reasonable person could logically assume might result in a pregnancy. After that choice is made she needs to live with the consequences of that choice.
That's one of the major problems with the current "I want what I want when I want it" generation.....there are no longer any such thing as consequences for one's actions.
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That's one of the major problems with the current "I want what I want when I want it" generation.....there are no longer any such thing as consequences for one's actions.
Abortion for convenience.
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http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/27/obama-nominee-taxpayer-funded-abortion-is-a-free-speech-right/
GOP Sen. Jim DeMint flags the testimony of deputy Secretary of State nominee James Steinberg, who believes that abortion subsidies are constitutionally protected.
James B. Steinberg, President Obama’s nominee to be the next Deputy Secretary of State, claimed in written testimony to the Foreign Relations Committee that Congress cannot constitutionally restrict taxpayer funding to perform or promote abortions. Mr. Steinberg stated that the Mexico City policy, which bars taxpayer funding of abortions overseas, “is an unnecessary restriction that, if applied to organizations based in this country, would be an unconstitutional limitation on free speech.”
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Never ceases to amaze me how the left is able to find Constitutional protection for, not only abortion, but government funding of abortion, yet can't seem to grasp "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Is it arrogance or ignorance? I'm going with the former.
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Never ceases to amaze me how the left is able to find Constitutional protection for, not only abortion, but government funding of abortion, yet can't seem to grasp "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Is it arrogance or ignorance? I'm going with the former.
DING DING DING.