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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: 2HOW on March 07, 2009, 11:32:35 AM
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Friday, March 6, 2009
Oath Keepers
About Oath Keepers:
Oath Keepers is an association of currently serving military, veterans, and peace officers who will fulfill the oath we swore to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.
Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the President, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law and deprive them of their ancient right to jury trial.
We Oath Keepers have drawn a line in the sand. We will not “just follow orders."
Our motto is “Not on our watch!”
If you, the American people, are forced to once again fight for your liberty in another American Revolution, you will not be alone. We will stand with you.
There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But you can rest assured that many others in the military do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution, and understand what that means.
The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers. We are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our own troops. To win that battle, Oath Keepers will use written and video testimony of active duty military, veterans (especially combat vets), and peace officers to reach, teach, and inspire our brothers in arms in the military and police to fulfill their oaths and stand as guardians of the Republic.
If you are currently in the military, are a veteran, or are a peace officer, please submit you written and/or video testimony on your oath, so you can help us win that battle for hearts and minds. Your submission may be anonymous.
Guardians of the Republic, fulfill your oath. Join us.
Go to http://www.oath-keepers.blogspot.com
Help spread the word, and submit your testimony.
Be an Oath Keeper.
From Western Rifles Shooters Blog
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2HOW...along the same lines. I remember reading a while back whare one of our guys was in trouble for refusing to wear the colors of the UN and take orders from them stating that the President was his CIC and not the UN! Do you have any idea what happened to him? I never heard.
Richard
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2HOW...along the same lines. I remember reading a while back whare one of our guys was in trouble for refusing to wear the colors of the UN and take orders from them stating that the President was his CIC and not the UN! Do you have any idea what happened to him? I never heard.
Richard
I believe he was courtmartialed and dishonorably discharged. I could be wrong. He really did not have a legal argument because of the practice of "seconding" individuals to foreign armies for cross training. Also he was sunk on Constitutional grounds by our treaties with the UN
Article 6
Clause 2:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstandin
It's why we need to get out of that and abrogate all treaties and agreements with them.
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Michael New
10 October 1995, the day his unit was supposed to be in formation in the U.N. uniforms, Michael showed up in his regulation U.S. Army uniform." However, some 549 U.S. Army soldiers did show up in formation, wearing a United Nations emblem on their baby-blue caps and U.N. patches on their right shoulders! Michael was immediately removed from the parade ground, where he was informed that he would be facing a court-martial. He was read his rights. And this began the chain of events that continues sending shock waves around the country and the world.
Since that time Michael received a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) from the Military, in January 1996, and has begun a life as a private citizen. But that was not the end; it was only the beginning, as the case continues to this day. There have been briefs and counter briefs, appeals and appeals of the appeals. As the case slowly makes its way through the courts, Michael New will not back down. And he has the United States government in something of a quandary. If they let him off, then they'll have to let anyone off who refuses to serve the United Nations. If they hammer him, they have to admit in public that Americans are no longer free to serve their own country exclusively - an admission they do not want to make. No doubt, if he had it to do over again, Michael New would do the same thing. But the Army would also no doubt give him the transfer he requested in the first place.
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He won't win. US troops have never had "the right to exclusively serve the US. The US first Division origanaly served under a French General and Later the US forces served under Marshal Foch who was the overall front commander. US troops serving during the Korean war were serving under UN command, The fact that the UN Commander in that theater was an American was merely because we were the only ones with a General in the vicinity. US troops Also served under UN command in the Sinai peace keeping force. All this coupled with the Constitutional quote in my last post says this guy is wasting time and money
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New to this whole DRTV with its forums - and is my first post...
I heard the founder (or one of the founders of this "Oath Keepers" blog) on the Alex Jones show the other day and couldn't agree more with the feelings I had regarding these oaths we take (those of us who serve and/or served take) and how it means every bit as much to me today as it did when I took my oath back in 1983.
Actually, I've been watching this whole evolution America's been going through since around about 1981 or so - and can see now how it is folks like Alex Jones, Alan Stang (and other writers over at newswithviews.com), Steve Quayle and so many others are truly working to expose the fraud being perpetrated against the American people by those it elects...most is knee jerk and emotionally driven in nature which keeps Americans divide on many very petty issues (issues like race, gender, age etc...not that those aren't important - but not to the degree it keeps us distracted) which is how those ruling out of Washington DC are then able to usurp power and freedom away from the American people and centralizing it in DC...
BTW I don't mean to say Alex Jones, Alan Stang, Steve Quayle are knee-jerk-emotionally-driven -- but folks who listen to politicians, politicians using their double-speak, who'll tell folks what it is folks want to hear and getting people to react from emotions rather than facts will sink this nation faster than fraud that is the Obamanation thing going on now...
More later; I can just admonish folks to continue fighting for those things that made our nation great with or without Washington DC - many more folks pushing 9th and 10th Amendments within states to do what states should have been doing all along: not being hamstrung by the Feds out of DC via subsidies etc...
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hmmm wonder if they are related to my mate Ken Oath
Welcome to DRTV VinBea :)
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hmmm wonder if they are related to my mate Ken Oath
Welcome to DRTV VinBea :)
Thanks for the welcome philw - you Aussies sure have your problems with your leaders huh? heard crime jumped a mile high after the banning of guns down under - not to mention world history showing what happens to a people when its elected leaders bans the people's means of protection etc...BTW I do like your custom/title at the bottom of your posts
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Thanks for the welcome philw - you Aussies sure have your problems with your leaders huh? heard crime jumped a mile high after the banning of guns down under - not to mention world history showing what happens to a people when its elected leaders bans the people's means of protection etc...BTW I do like your custom/title at the bottom of your posts
hehe yep we have our fun over here,
yes crime did go up a little
have a look at some of my early posts here on DRTV I have some threads on what it is like and some info over here
hehe the Sig is a good one ;) I was going to start a thread about them hehe
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He won't win. US troops have never had "the right to exclusively serve the US. The US first Division origanaly served under a French General and Later the US forces served under Marshal Foch who was the overall front commander. US troops serving during the Korean war were serving under UN command, The fact that the UN Commander in that theater was an American was merely because we were the only ones with a General in the vicinity. US troops Also served under UN command in the Sinai peace keeping force. All this coupled with the Constitutional quote in my last post says this guy is wasting time and money
[/quott Thats a bunch of crap, My unit the 2nd cavalry fought exclusivly under the president in a war against the Seminole Indians. you ned to get your facts straight Tom
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He won't win. US troops have never had "the right to exclusively serve the US. The US first Division origanaly served under a French General and Later the US forces served under Marshal Foch who was the overall front commander. US troops serving during the Korean war were serving under UN command, The fact that the UN Commander in that theater was an American was merely because we were the only ones with a General in the vicinity. US troops Also served under UN command in the Sinai peace keeping force. All this coupled with the Constitutional quote in my last post says this guy is wasting time and money
[/quott Thats a bunch of crap, My unit the 2nd cavalry fought exclusivly under the president in a war against the Seminole Indians. you ned to get your facts straight Tom
You need to post when you are sober or stay on your meds.
ALL military service is "exclusively under the command of the President. DUH, It's why he is called the COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
What does one of the "Indian Wars" have to do with serving under UN command ? Is the UN older that I thought it was ?
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You just cant throw out a blanket statement like "US troops have never had "the right to exclusively serve the US." How can you say that ? Thats not a correct statement. Until the U.N. came into existance they always exclusively served the U.S. as a matter of fact whatever entity they are attatched to (however illegal it is) they still serve the U.S.
As you know, President Clinton's order to U.S. troops to wear a U.N. uniform was extremely controversial, unpopular, and alleged to be illegal and unconstitutional. House Majority Whip Rep. Tom Delay sponsored a bill to prohibit the wearing of a U.N. uniform by U.S. service personnel. This bill was a reaction to the case of U.S. Army soldier Michael New, who had refused to wear a U.N. uniform and was court-martialed and discharged for bad conduct by Clinton. His lawyers continue to argue in the courts that his order to wear a U.N. uniform was in violation of his sacred oath, U.S. law and the U.S. Constitution
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You just cant throw out a blanket statement like "US troops have never had "the right to exclusively serve the US." How can you say that ? Thats not a correct statement. Until the U.N. came into existance they always exclusively served the U.S. as a matter of fact whatever entity they are attatched to (however illegal it is) they still serve the U.S.
As you know, President Clinton's order to U.S. troops to wear a U.N. uniform was extremely controversial, unpopular, and alleged to be illegal and unconstitutional. House Majority Whip Rep. Tom Delay sponsored a bill to prohibit the wearing of a U.N. uniform by U.S. service personnel. This bill was a reaction to the case of U.S. Army soldier Michael New, who had refused to wear a U.N. uniform and was court-martialed and discharged for bad conduct by Clinton. His lawyers continue to argue in the courts that his order to wear a U.N. uniform was in violation of his sacred oath, U.S. law and the U.S. Constitution
First of all I wouldn't be taking legal advice from indicted felon Tom Delay. The man was a dollar chasing demagogue (no reflection on his ideology, just him being the kind of politician who will exploit any excuse to grandstand and raise money). He used the New case to rally the black helicopter set in east Tx., nothing more. The basic principle is that as CINC the pres does have the legal authority to secund our forces to an ally. You might review a military history of both world wars. Its not like Americans give orders and the Brits obey, it does happen the other way around as well. This is a decision that is well within the purview of the CINC. The UN (unless the anti-christ or Jane Fonda or Sean Hannity really is in charge) is nothing more than a treaty organization CREATED by the US. Yes they are a pain, thats kind of the point, better to argue in NY than fight in the Fulda gap. The fact is they they are necessary to deal with brush fire messes like Timor, Congo, Siani ,Somalia maybe Darfur before they they spread. The US can't just expect to always be in charge. There have been and will be times our guys take orders from a theatre commander who is Dutch, Angolan or what have you. So what? I really fail to see a problem, because the only way we getto make all the decsions is if we act alone. Thats the way empires fall. Its called Imperial Overeach, cf. your nighly news,. It means that we absorb all the cost, bleeding ourselves dry, while uniting the world against us out fear. Simple balance of power. We have a vested interest in supportingt he status quo. That takes blood and treasure. We either share the cost AND some of the command or we burn ourselves out. Take your pick. Our guys will serve under forein ltheatre commanders from time to time and thats a good thing. Because the alternative is that they'll be fighing alone.
fightingquaker13
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Because the alternative is that they'll be fighting alone.
Except for a few Allies, that either have withdrawn already, or are about to, The U.S. usually does.The United Nations are IMPOTENT. They only self-serve their own interests, Darfur has nothing to offer the world in industry or resources, so has the UN done anything substantial to stop the genocide?
Have they "dic***" around with Iran/ North Korea, long enough? How did that work? Please Mahmoud Abudinajad (sp), please stop, Pretty Please, You better stop Kim Dong ILL, you better really stop this time..... (Say it like your name is Lance from San Francisco), "Not that there is anything wrong with that",.... :P
Oh, N. Korea is warning and clearing airspace for their next missle launch, right now,...
If I were a United States Soldier, I would have a hard time with the UN.
How many UN Resolutions did Saddam have to violate (17) before the UN still did NOTHING!.
They are a pathetic joke, should be kicked out of New York, and sent to Hugo Chavez's neighborhood, perhaps, Iran.
NATO is following the same suit. The UN has a Global Society World View, Pacifist, Disarmed, and Dependent. I say they (UN)
can Piss Off...
Obama is a UN supporter, and a poll watcher, God help us if there is another 9/11 attack. I'm sure the UN will give BHO the proper advice....
Rant Off as well.
P.S. The Supreme Allied Commander in WWII was an American, and later, a President.
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You just cant throw out a blanket statement like "US troops have never had "the right to exclusively serve the US." How can you say that ? Thats not a correct statement. Until the U.N. came into existance they always exclusively served the U.S. as a matter of fact whatever entity they are attatched to (however illegal it is) they still serve the U.S.
As you know, President Clinton's order to U.S. troops to wear a U.N. uniform was extremely controversial, unpopular, and alleged to be illegal and unconstitutional. House Majority Whip Rep. Tom Delay sponsored a bill to prohibit the wearing of a U.N. uniform by U.S. service personnel. This bill was a reaction to the case of U.S. Army soldier Michael New, who had refused to wear a U.N. uniform and was court-martialed and discharged for bad conduct by Clinton. His lawyers continue to argue in the courts that his order to wear a U.N. uniform was in violation of his sacred oath, U.S. law and the U.S. Constitution
What about about the Marines who served as Gendarmerie in Haiti, Nicaragagua, and other Central American countries during the 20's and 30's they were serving as POLICE.
What about Korea, MacArthur was UN Commander.
What about The Black troops in WWI who served in FRENCH Divisions.
Why don't you learn the subject before you go telling others they are full of crap.
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you better really stop this time..... (Say it like your name is Lance from San Francisco), "Not that there is anything wrong with that",.... :P
Okay, that WAS FUNNY!
They are a pathetic joke, should be kicked out of New York, and sent to Hugo Chavez's neighborhood, perhaps, Iran.
No, let them stay in NYC, charge them rent and then quit paying our dues...UN gone.
Oh, and soemone shows up to my house in a UN uniform with anything other than a warm hello, I will shoot them in the face and kill all their friends...they would be an invading army that I am sworn to fight just as much as any redcoat in Lexington or Concord. I don't like to say things like this on the webboard, but if Russians did it, Chinese, Mexicans, Canadians, British, French (Oh, wait not French ;) )or anyone else that is not in a US uniform or US law enforcement, I will shoot them if they try to take anything of mine.
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Okay, that WAS FUNNY!
No, let them stay in NYC, charge them rent and then quit paying our dues...UN gone.
Oh, and soemone shows up to my house in a UN uniform with anything other than a warm hello, I will shoot them in the face and kill all their friends...they would be an invading army that I am sworn to fight just as much as any redcoat in Lexington or Concord. I don't like to say things like this on the webboard, but if Russians did it, Chinese, Mexicans, Canadians, British, French (Oh, wait not French ;) )or anyone else that is not in a US uniform or US law enforcement, I will shoot them if they try to take anything of mine.
Careful partner. You are crossing some dangerous lines.
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Okay, that WAS FUNNY!
No, let them stay in NYC, charge them rent and then quit paying our dues...UN gone.
Oh, and soemone shows up to my house in a UN uniform with anything other than a warm hello, I will shoot them in the face and kill all their friends...they would be an invading army that I am sworn to fight just as much as any redcoat in Lexington or Concord. I don't like to say things like this on the webboard, but if Russians did it, Chinese, Mexicans, Canadians, British, French (Oh, wait not French ;) )or anyone else that is not in a US uniform or US law enforcement, I will shoot them if they try to take anything of mine.
What the hell is a "UN uniform" ?
Who do you think would be wearing it ?
Are you actually paranoid enough to think the Ukrainians, Fijians, Dutch, and Pakistanis, (they get a lot of money for supplying manpower for UN peace keeping missions) Are going to be invading from bases in Canada and Mexico ?
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What the hell is a "UN uniform" ?
Who do you think would be wearing it ?
Are you actually paranoid enough to think the Ukrainians, Fijians, Dutch, and Pakistanis, (they get a lot of money for supplying manpower for UN peace keeping missions) Are going to be invading from bases in Canada and Mexico ?
You've got a lot to learn...or should I say: unlearn?
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Careful partner. You are crossing some dangerous lines.
Looks like the only one who's crossing a line, my guess, would be you...
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What we have here, is one of them there "failures to communicate" situations going on here.
Yep, I'm prior military and been watching the usurpation by folks like HW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, now the anointed full of baloney one, the past 20 years against the American people - and one thing I've learned is this: if it walks like a duck and quacks like one, pretty good odds it's a duck...
We've got politicians who know how to so work the system (manipulating folks from fear) that there's no longer no such thing as republican or democrat -- both working a Hegel Dialectic (using double-speak) using controlled chaos to get the herd (that's us folks) going in the direction those working for universal government want us going in the first place.
So insofar as I can tell, as bad as the UN is, and I believe it's a scourge, there'd not be a UN (at least not here in the US) if not for the GW Bushes, Hussein Obamas, and the US congress/senate keeping the thing alive going back since the UN was founded in 1948; going back even before that with the league of nations...
Alex Jones is dead on with what's transpiring in America today (can you say: communitarian/communism?) by design and on purpose - the mind really is a terrible thing to waste - Alan Stang over at newswithviews.com often writes about the hoodwinking going on between those we elect and those electing them (as does many of the writers over there Devvy Kidd, Dennis L Cuddy PhD's, Chuck Baldwin, etc), among anothers...Steven Quayle up in Montana comes to mind as well - there's a lot of good information out there if folks really want to get out of the whole democrat vs republican thing, that's just a snow-job that keeps us all divided down here where the tire meets the road while they amass our nation's wealth and freedoms into the hands of a few...
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Okay, that WAS FUNNY!
No, let them stay in NYC, charge them rent and then quit paying our dues...UN gone.
Oh, and soemone shows up to my house in a UN uniform with anything other than a warm hello, I will shoot them in the face and kill all their friends...they would be an invading army that I am sworn to fight just as much as any redcoat in Lexington or Concord. I don't like to say things like this on the webboard, but if Russians did it, Chinese, Mexicans, Canadians, British, French (Oh, wait not French ;) )or anyone else that is not in a US uniform or US law enforcement, I will shoot them if they try to take anything of mine.
I can admonish folks to the best of my ability to stay and be informed by watching and/or listening to Alex Jones over at infowars.com - the guy's telling it like it is; and with what's coming to America, they don't just want your (our) guns and bullets, they want those of us who are for our Constitutional Republic handed to us by our founding fathers with the Bill of Rights, they want us DEAD - that's right folks DEAD - those working through our federal government at the higher levels where the GW Bushes and Hussein Obamas live don't just want what you think they want...ever heard of the phoenix bird? About making an example out of the US so as to get the rest of the western world aligned with the agenda?
Universal government is already here - what we see is the first signs of what can be likened to a category 10 hurricane that's got the US in its cross hairs; what we see now is the implementation of what they'd been planning all along...
Alex Jones isn't enough; there's also most all the writers over at newswithviews.com who's trying to get we the American people educated before some new 911 event gets used toward emotionally steering the herd (again, that's us folks - we're the feeders/eaters/consumers the international global government operating through our elected politicians are considering us as being) in the direction they want us going in...
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Careful partner. You are crossing some dangerous lines.
And what line am I crossing? I don't accept the UN as a legitimate entity that can dictate anything to me. I never voted for any of them, I don't believe in most of their policies and I don't like their agenda or main goals. Anyone who comes and tries to supplant the Constitution of the United States of America with anything else is an enemy to the United States and me.
The UN has no problem with putting their agenda above all others and supressing the legitimate governmental powers that are going to be better for the people if they are not aligned witht he UN agenda. Note they didn't have a problem with Russia invading Georgia?
So if the show up at my door on UN business with anything other than a free box of girlscout cookies, they are my enemy and an enemy to my country. Just as much as if it was a neonazi group, KKK group, black panther group...
Anyone outside the elected officials of the United States trying to force their egenda down my throat willl get bit.
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"I will shoot them if they try to take anything of mine."
This is the dangerous line you have crossed. There are not foreign troops occupying the United States. There are only American troops here.
When you warn that you will kill to protect what is yours from government seizure you put youself in a dangerous mindset. A killing mindset. Where is the stopping point when you declare your willingness to kill? Is the deputy sheriff who comes to investigate a neighbors complaint a legitimate target? Are National Guard helocopters flying over your property a part of the global world conspiracy?
I have also sworn an oath to protect my country from all enemies both foreign and domestic but I will not allow people like Alex Jones tell me who those enemies are.
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What about about the Marines who served as Gendarmerie in Haiti, Nicaragagua, and other Central American countries during the 20's and 30's they were serving as POLICE.
What about Korea, MacArthur was UN Commander.
What about The Black troops in WWI who served in FRENCH Divisions.
Why don't you learn the subject before you go telling others they are full of crap.
The U.N . was put into existance after WW2 in 1945 (stay on topic) . All American soldiers who served in other countries served under U.S. authority either as security for our people or covert operations who reported to the DOD or CIA.
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The U.N . was put into existance after WW2 in 1945 (stay on topic) . All American soldiers who served in other countries served under U.S. authority either as security for our people or covert operations who reported to the DOD or CIA.
Exactly my point. The history of US troops serving under foreign command predates the UN.
http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/369th-infantry/
The 369th Infantry helped to repel the German offensive and to launch a counteroffensive. General John J. Pershing assigned the 369th to the 16th Division ofthe French Army. With the French, the Harlem Hellfighters fought at Chateau-Thierry and Belleau Wood. All told they spent 191 days in combat, longer than any other American unit in the war. "My men never retire, they go forward or they die," said Colonel Hayward. Indeed, the 369th was the first Allied unit to reach the Rhine.
http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/historic/reghist/wwi/infantry/369thInf/369thInfMain.htm
The recruitment took place in Harlem, New York.
The battalion trained at Camp Whitman (Poughkeepsie, N.Y.); guard duty in New York City; in further training in South Carolina; shipped overseas 27 December 1917; regimental band toured France; served within the French army in General Henri Gouraud’s 4th Army; in the 16th French Division.
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"I will shoot them if they try to take anything of mine."
This is the dangerous line you have crossed. There are not foreign troops occupying the United States. There are only American troops here.
When you warn that you will kill to protect what is yours from government seizure you put youself in a dangerous mindset. A killing mindset. Where is the stopping point when you declare your willingness to kill? Is the deputy sheriff who comes to investigate a neighbors complaint a legitimate target? Are National Guard helocopters flying over your property a part of the global world conspiracy?
I have also sworn an oath to protect my country from all enemies both foreign and domestic but I will not allow people like Alex Jones tell me who those enemies are.
Any unelected/unappointed power in the United States of America or that is under a jurisdiction NOT answering to the chain of command that has at its head either the President of the United States or the Governer of a State is not someone I have to obey and I can morally fight.
i think that makes everything pretty clear. Any other questions?
I don't know who Alex Jones is.
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Any unelected/unappointed power in the United States of America or that is under a jurisdiction NOT answering to the chain of command that has at its head either the President of the United States or the Governer of a State is not someone I have to obey and I can morally fight.
i think that makes everything pretty clear. Any other questions?
I don't know who Alex Jones is.
You set up a straw dog. Who are these people? They do not exist.
You are preparing yourself up to become a murderer. Is that what you want?
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I'll do my best to try and keep things simple; http://www.infowars.com/ is a link that allows you to listen online (I usually use winamps) regarding Alex Jones pulling off the layers of international global bankers working through our electoral processes to put their front men/women/people in; the end result being the usurpation of our liberties and freedoms over several years by the continuum of the whole democrat republican dialectic that creates all the divisions down on the street where it is we all have to live and raise our families while they up where the Bushes and the Obamas of the scam embelish themselves with even more power and wealth...
http://newswithviews.com/ is a link to such writers of this process such as Alan Stang, Devvy Kidd, Dennis Cuddy...
The crux for me being that the same individuals that's going after your guns, along with those 2nd amendment rights - are the same ones who really don't want your guns; rather, want you and me DEAD - after we're dead (those who are for the Constitutional Republic with its Constitution and Bill of Rights) they'll have the guns and who ever remains will be slaves to the state just as happens in very country where the masses are being manipulated via their emotions over facts...we're divided in America which is bad for us but good for those living among the Bushes and Obamas of America -- all our divisions empowers them; our unity around our Constitutional Republic as the common denominator forces THEM to flee for their very lives - because with a Constitutional Republic comes accountability (and one thing the Bushes and the Obamas of America do not want is, being held accountable...
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Alex Jones lives right here in Austin. I do not believe him. He is a kook.
I do not know Alan Stang, Devvy Kidd, Dennis Cuddy. Why should I believe them?
Are they scholars, degreed historians, soldiers, working men or conspiracy theorists?
Insults about keeping things simple do not help you win your points.
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Alex Jones lives right here in Austin. I do not believe him. He is a kook.
I do not know Alan Stang, Devvy Kidd, Dennis Cuddy. Why should I believe them?
Are they scholars, degreed historians, soldiers, working men or conspiracy theorists?
Insults about keeping things simple do not help you win your points.
long762range, I, for one, wholly understand your sediments - in that I at one time thought the same regarding Alex Jones; but I consider myself having grown up after having been studying this stuff the past 25 years - and Alex Jones is no nut (that's for sure...) and is trying to stand in the gap informing as many as will listen that what's befalling America is being done on purpose and is being done by design; believe it not at your own peril...
You don't know Alan Stang or Devvy Kidd or Dennis Cuddy - that's not my fault either; I'm just a messenger trying to support what I understand to be worthy causes; such causes as our Constitutional Republic - not a democracy...we all being under the same set of rules and laws to include the president past and present...accountability for crimes not wanting to fudge and mesh things into areas of gray where the Obamas and Bushes also like to operate from: areas of gray - the more gray the more confusion goes without saying...
You don't like Alex Jones; or know about those other writers? What about Sheriff Richard Mack out of Arizona? http://constitutionallawenforcementassoc.blogspot.com/, what about Pintz out of Montana? Ron Paul? Chuck Baldwin? And so many others? There's information out there that communicates in big bold letters that America is going to be taken down and taken down hard unless the American people unite around the 'truth' and kick what's going on out of Washington DC, out figuratively/literally...communism being like 'lust' or any of the 'so-called-7-deadly-sins' in that it will not stop unless confronted for what it is and made to step down...
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You set up a straw dog. Who are these people? They do not exist.
You are preparing yourself up to become a murderer. Is that what you want?
Actually, the're setting themselves up to be road kill. When the fictional UN swat team kicks in the door with their mp5s and body armor I'm coming along quietly, unless I decide that suicide by cop is a better option. Fortuneatly Its not a choice I have to make as the UN conspiracy stuff started about the same the UN did, then it served the commies of course, now its the NWO whover they are. Its exactly the same script just different names for the bad guys. As I told Phil on another post there's just something about America that makes our wingnuts love a good conspiracy theory.
fightingquaker13
PS These "international banker" wouldn't happen to jewish by any chance? ::)
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Actually, the're setting themselves up to be road kill. When the fictional UN swat team kicks in the door with their mp5s and body armor I'm coming along quietly, unless I decide that suicide by cop is a better option. Fortuneatly Its not a choice I have to make as the UN conspiracy stuff started about the same the UN did, then it served the commies of course, now its the NWO whover they are. Its exactly the same script just different names for the bad guys. As I told Phil on another post there's just something about America that makes our wingnuts love a good conspiracy theory.
fightingquaker13
PS These "international banker" wouldn't happen to jewish by any chance? ::)
Ohh yeah, I'm not only one of them there wingnuts (actually I'm a Constitutional Republican supporter - Go Chuck Baldwin - types), and am also a Jesus freak and dang proud of it too...Jesus being the 'Truth' in the truest sense of that word, hates lies and deception every bit as much as I do...
And no, it's not a Jewish thing here or a Gentile thing there - it's a human race against powerful people thing (those pulling strings via their power and wealth have Jewish, Gentile, and Christian names just as all the collateral damage these individuals will cause those of us who are not powerful wealthy who have our own Jewish, Gentile, and Christian names to think about...
There use to be a saying better dead than red; and everyone knew what that meant - now, it doesn't mean anything and you have the gall to then poop-poo this as conspiracy theories....emotionally driven folks will always knee-jerk react by what they see or hear (empirically speaking) rather than based on facts. Just check out that Katrina mess - or the following that's following the anointed full of baloney from Kenya 'one' and tell me those folks aren't emotionally driven at the least; brainwashed/braindead at the most!
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Actually, the're setting themselves up to be road kill. When the fictional UN swat team kicks in the door with their mp5s and body armor I'm coming along quietly, unless I decide that suicide by cop is a better option. Fortuneatly Its not a choice I have to make as the UN conspiracy stuff started about the same the UN did, then it served the commies of course, now its the NWO whover they are. Its exactly the same script just different names for the bad guys. As I told Phil on another post there's just something about America that makes our wingnuts love a good conspiracy theory.
fightingquaker13
PS These "international banker" wouldn't happen to jewish by any chance? ::)
You forgot the Illuminati, the Free Masons, the Bilderberg Group, Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, the 1001 Club, Le Cercle, the Pilgrims Society, the Committee of 300, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Apollo moon landings.
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You forgot the Illuminati, the Free Masons, the Bilderberg Group, Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, the 1001 Club, Le Cercle, the Pilgrims Society, the Committee of 300, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Apollo moon landings.
You left out one: Queen of England...
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You forgot the Illuminati, the Free Masons, the Bilderberg Group, Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, the 1001 Club, Le Cercle, the Pilgrims Society, the Committee of 300, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Apollo moon landings.
Wow, you must be a total freaking idiot to think that there are not any people who would want to do harm to America.
Here is a list for you. Oh, and in case you think they are all just conspiracy theories try looking some up.
The Warsaw Pact
China
Russia
Iran
North Korea
Syria
Taliban
Al-Queda (I see so many different spellings for this one)
Islamic Jihad
Hamas
Fatah
Palistinian Liberation Organization
Baath Party
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Now, to point out the obvious to your myopic little mind, name one orginization that sends money to all these groups that would like to see the United States gone. I will give you a hint: it starts with "U" and ends with "nited Nations."
I don't believe that everyone is out to start a new world order or a north american union, but I am not stupid enough to think that legitimate organizations such as the UN are looking out for US interests.
So punk with an MP5 and a blue beret comes knocking on my door? What do you think I should do?
(I know this is a unrealistic scenerio in you mind, but so was the SS in the minds of German jews in 1938)
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All those ARE bad guys and many, many more. The UN to me is like the bar scene in Star Wars "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. But just because it is a corrupt organization it does not mean that they are going to ocupy us. I believe that if we participate in our countrys politics we can turn things around.
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Bottom line insofar as I am concerned is, we started out a Constitutional Republic - one nation under God - and we have evolved over many years into a socialized democracy in which the Federal Government out of Washington enact laws while the 50 states administrates the wishes of the feds regardless of what the 9th and 10th amendments (or what each state's own Constitution) has to say about what powers Washington DC actually has verses what it doesn't have...America isn't the Federal Government with 50 states - America is 50 sovereign independent countries united to become the United States of America -- and why wouldn't the Fed out of DC not want to flip the whole facts upside down? Flipping it upside down empowers Washington DC while doing very little for the individuals within the individual 50 states accept entices them and gets them hooked on subsidizes to be manipulated by Washington DC later on down the road...name a state refusing the 'hook', funds by the feds at tax payer expense? There's none because just as with welfare recipients (and the gov out of DC knows this) most states are hooked and dependent upon those funds; followed by the feds dictating policy with the admonition of: 'or else...' btw, fed out of DC does the same thing with nations it subsidizes at tax payers expense.
There's some 1000 various Tea Parties going on from coast to coast in America over the banker bailouts at tax payers expense (same tax payers footing the bill for the UN; and every other expansion going on) - so which of these Tea Parties are delusional? Perhaps if such members listened to folks like you, they might be better off staying home and watching Fred Flinstone cartoons...perhaps Oprah...desperate wifes...anything but the reality we're losing our country virtually over night.
As I'd said before - the mind really is a horrible thing to waste - most particularly when one wakes up and realizes there's literally no difference between the democrats and the republicans -- both working their respective role within the context of the dialectic that keeps this nation divided for their good and our hurt.
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"Perhaps if such members listened to folks like you, they might be better off staying home and watching Fred Flinstone cartoons...perhaps Oprah...desperate wifes...anything but the reality we're losing our country virtually over night."
As I said, insults do not make your point. Just because someone does not agree with all you say does not make them stupid or asleep. Our county does have serious problems but not problems that cannot be overcome by involvement in the political system.
If we withdraw from the process then our country will become just another socialist state like those in Europe.
If we participate, run for office, get to know our representatives personally, tell them what we think, then we can cause the turn around to occur.
The stuggle will not short but our country is worth the effort.
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"Perhaps if such members listened to folks like you, they might be better off staying home and watching Fred Flinstone cartoons...perhaps Oprah...desperate wifes...anything but the reality we're losing our country virtually over night."
As I said, insults do not make your point. Just because someone does not agree with all you say does not make them stupid or asleep. Our county does have serious problems but not problems that cannot be overcome by involvement in the political system.
If we withdraw from the process then our country will become just another socialist state like those in Europe.
If we participate, run for office, get to know our representatives personally, tell them what we think, then we can cause the turn around to occur.
The stuggle will not short but our country is worth the effort.
I agree, as I'm sure everyone on these forums would that this nation is worth the effort...and you are also right insofar as insults are concerned imo...as long as it is also noted that bombarding capital switch-boards, congressmen/women senators only goes so far (after all, there is a total, if not complete disconnect that now exists between the American people with those representing them in DC) as the last 6 presidents (and congresses regardless of democrat or republican) has proven now, more times than not, has been a waste of time...
I agree with Chuck Baldwin, among others, who believe the answer to what is making America sick today is empowering and/or encouraging states to take hold of their 9th and 10th amendment rights as the real power and authority, and to stop kowtowing to the socialists now ruling out of DC...also, Alan Stang indicates the most power individual in any county in the United States, even more powerful than any president, is the county sheriff; which I also agree with...
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Well LOOK what I started!!! I know you are all patriots with a different point of view. Lets just leave this and agree to dis agree.
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Maybe they should start an "argument " thread. This is the second of about 6 I've checked tonight where someone is having a pissing match. This used to be a nice neighborhood, giys.
I don't go to them myself, but I'm sure there are some political-type forums you could go where folks enjoy calling each other idiots all day long.
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I'll do my best to try and keep things simple; http://www.infowars.com/ is a link that allows you to listen online (I usually use winamps) regarding Alex Jones pulling off the layers of international global bankers working through our electoral processes to put their front men/women/people in; the end result being the usurpation of our liberties and freedoms over several years by the continuum of the whole democrat republican dialectic that creates all the divisions down on the street where it is we all have to live and raise our families while they up where the Bushes and the Obamas of the scam embelish themselves with even more power and wealth...
http://newswithviews.com/ is a link to such writers of this process such as Alan Stang, Devvy Kidd, Dennis Cuddy...
The crux for me being that the same individuals that's going after your guns, along with those 2nd amendment rights - are the same ones who really don't want your guns; rather, want you and me DEAD - after we're dead (those who are for the Constitutional Republic with its Constitution and Bill of Rights) they'll have the guns and who ever remains will be slaves to the state just as happens in very country where the masses are being manipulated via their emotions over facts...we're divided in America which is bad for us but good for those living among the Bushes and Obamas of America -- all our divisions empowers them; our unity around our Constitutional Republic as the common denominator forces THEM to flee for their very lives - because with a Constitutional Republic comes accountability (and one thing the Bushes and the Obamas of America do not want is, being held accountable...
While I may agree in general that The UN/ Socialist/ "dem crowd are a menace to America, every time I have checked on something from infowars it has either been WAY out of date or it has been BS.
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Maybe they should start an "argument " thread. This is the second of about 6 I've checked tonight where someone is having a pissing match. This used to be a nice neighborhood, giys.
I don't go to them myself, but I'm sure there are some political-type forums you could go where folks enjoy calling each other idiots all day long.
+10! Agree or disagree, discuss, BUT GET OVER IT!
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Ohh, please forgive me - those who object to discussing of politics under the banner "POLITICS"...besides that, it's a bit insulting after the fact, to come in after the facts and criticize those who've already made peace by badgering 'em as if some here are above it all...I'm not trying to make enemies - but inform that those who want your guns (my guns) are the ones who really want us dead. After we're dead, they'll take not just our guns, but anything else that's left of our posterity...
BTW great info sites for those not afraid to get their news and information from other than the Dan Rathers and MSNBC (the mainstreammedia) of our nation:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/
http://alanstang.com/
http://newswithviews.com/
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html
And again, you may or may not agree with 100% of what these folks cover - but at least what they're willing to cover is far superior to anything coming out of the mainstream media outlets by miles...