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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Green Mountain Gringo on March 08, 2009, 05:22:02 AM
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The new administration appears to be a big catalyst for the lack of availability of ammunition, particularly handgun ammo.
I've had a hard time finding what I want at my local gun dealer, online and even WALMART for cripes sake.
I know the fear is that new taxes or policy might infringe our ability to stock up, but what do you think is the real reason for lack of availability?
I'm of the belief or perhaps just hoping that it's just most of us making a mad dash for ammo that has put the suppliers behind and that they're feverishly manufacturing it to fill the void.
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I attribute the shortage to three things: Katrina, Obama and the militarization of the Police.
Katrina opened many eyes to the possibility that (Surprise, surprise) you may have to protect yourself if things get bad.
Obama has folks scared that things WILL go bad and one should be ready and one might not be able to acquire the means of protection for much longer.
The PD's are buying ammo for more intensive training, and buying more black guns and such to meet percieved threats from gangs etc.
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I'm probably a part of the problem ;D I keep a stash of cash (which I depleted a couple weeks ago) for ammo when I find it. I keep a list of what I'm looking for in my wallet, and if I find some at a reasonable (not even lowest possible anymore) price I dig into the spare cash. A couple weeks ago it was a thousand rounds each of .40 S&W and 9 mm Luger. I'm running low on .45 acp, .38 special and .357 magnum.
My biggest disappointment is the lack of availability of reloading stuff. I'm investing in more ammo and less reloading stuff, because I just can't find much in supplies.
With the AR-10 on the way I'm trying to find more .308, but the ammo guys just look at me cross eyed when I ask where the hell it is.
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Last month I was at a gun show and a table opened up a crate of .45 ACP. I was needing rounds so I jumped in line. There were only two guys ahead of me. There were about 20 boxes of American Eagle and the guy in front of me bought every box. I was really pissed at the man for being so greedy but I took it in stride cause of the panic the Obama Administration has set in.
There are times that I feel the ammo manufacturers are holding on to the ammo to see how much money they can make from us like the boneheads at the gas pumps. ;)
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Ammo and some guns=new gold?
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Last month I was at a gun show and a table opened up a crate of .45 ACP. I was needing rounds so I jumped in line. There were only two guys ahead of me. There were about 20 boxes of American Eagle and the guy in front of me bought every box. I was really pissed at the man for being so greedy but I took it in stride cause of the panic the Obama Administration has set in.
There are times that I feel the ammo manufacturers are holding on to the ammo to see how much money they can make from us like the boneheads at the gas pumps. ;)
Ding Ding Ding..........
Talked to my local gun store owner several times in the past months and he said basically the same thing. I went in around Christmas last year and the shelves were almost bare then. He said then if you can find anything out there buy it now. He told me in December that his ammo distributor told him that in January the MSRP was going up across the board per the manufacturers.
The same box of .270 Win that cost $18 in December now cost $30. I was in there last week and the shelves are still low in stock.
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Ding Ding Ding..........
Talked to my local gun store owner several times in the past months and he said basically the same thing. I went in around Christmas last year and the shelves were almost bare then. He said then if you can find anything out there buy it now. He told me in December that his ammo distributor told him that in January the MSRP was going up across the board per the manufacturers.
The same box of .270 Win that cost $18 in December now cost $30. I was in there last week and the shelves are still low in stock.
Have Heard a couple of interviews on Tom Gresham with the Remington Rep. (I forget the dates or I would post the link I think it was 1-18 at the shot show)
He said that they are running 3 shifts to TRY to keep up with demand, and if a distributor or who ever called in with a LARGE (1 million rounds) order they could not fill it, He also passed blame for MOST of the price increase to distributors and dealers.
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Yeah...I did take what my GS guy said with a grain of salt.
I told him it sounded more like his distributor was pissing down his back and telling him it was raining.
Greedy manufacturers putting it to the middle-man or greedy middle-man putting it to the gun shop owner (who has no choice but to pass it to us in order to eat).......who knows the whole deal?
One group taking advantage of another due to threats, real or perceived.
Only thing I know for sure is the end purchasers are the ones getting ripped either way.
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The rate things are going, soon all we will be able to do with our guns is this...
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What the hell kind of soda is that?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Heard my Dad talk about doing that with the 1911, said it worked great. some how I don't think it would be so "great" for the pistol. But that is the Marine Corps approach to problems, adapt, improvise, overcome ! ;D
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That is MAK abuse!!!! :o
Brian
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On Friday night I went on a Walmart raid. I found out that Walmart makes deliveries to stores in my area on Friday, usually in the late afternoon. But before I went there I raided Gander Mountain and cleaned them out of 9mm Blazer ammo.
I went to one store and bought a case of 9mm WWB and the clerk told me he had five cases and he had sold out in 90 minutes. At another store I was able to get 500 rounds of .45 ACP WWB, same type of buying frenzy. The one cartridge I did notice that was not in short supply was .40 S&W.
While there I heard several people talking about how they were coming back to the shooting sports because the were afraid of what Obama might do. And the ammo tax seemed to be one of the main reasons for their worry. I told some that the tax was not going anywhere in the congress but the wanted to make sure they had something just in case, which I thought was a good idea.
All of this taught me some valuable lessons:
1. Buy ammo when you don't need it.
2. Start reloading and stock up on components as they become available. This is sort of tied to number one.....
I have bought some powder, primers, and bullets from my local gun range. When I go back there on Saturday I will accumulate some more.
I wonder how long before this will slow down. I will take a WAG and say it will be the summer before things settle down.....
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On Friday night I went on a Walmart raid. I found out that Walmart makes deliveries to stores in my area on Friday, usually in the late afternoon. But before I went there I raided Gander Mountain and cleaned them out of 9mm Blazer ammo.
I went to one store and bought a case of 9mm WWB and the clerk told me he had five cases and he had sold out in 90 minutes. At another store I was able to get 500 rounds of .45 ACP WWB, same type of buying frenzy. The one cartridge I did notice that was not in short supply was .40 S&W.
While there I heard several people talking about how they were coming back to the shooting sports because the were afraid of what Obama might do. And the ammo tax seemed to be one of the main reasons for their worry. I told some that the tax was not going anywhere in the congress but the wanted to make sure they had something just in case, which I thought was a good idea.
All of this taught me some valuable lessons:
1. Buy ammo when you don't need it.
2. Start reloading and stock up on components as they become available. This is sort of tied to number one.....
I have bought some powder, primers, and bullets from my local gun range. When I go back there on Saturday I will accumulate some more.
I wonder how long before this will slow down. I will take a WAG and say it will be the summer before things settle down.....
I'm thinking the threat will not go away as long as the Dems control congress, it may taper off as production catches up to demand, but it will continue to be on peoples minds until at least 2010.
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I started a post on this here http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5571.0.html My local reloader has problems, too.
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Sweet, dueling topics
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There are only TWO events when having too much ammo is bad,....
1. When you are on fire.
2. When you are drowning.
Other than that, FullAuto,,,you nailed it.
All of this taught me some valuable lessons:
1. Buy ammo when you don't need it.
2. Start reloading and stock up on components as they become available. This is sort of tied to number one.....
Words of wisdom.
"I hear that small arms ammunition in South Africa has practically disappeared from the store shelves. Either people are wisely stocking up, or some arm of the government has decided to cut off the supply. In that regard, I advise you to keep your own stocks in good shape. Our enemies may not be able to abrogate the constitution just yet, but there are economic and political means by which they may dry up our ammunition supply."
Jeff Cooper
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That is sound advice twyacht. ;)