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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: Badgersmilk on March 10, 2009, 10:14:14 AM
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I just got this e-mail:
Go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.
Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:
·It is registered
·You are fingerprinted
·You supply a current Driver's License
·You supply your Social Security #
·You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
·Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
·There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.
They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs.. in prison.
If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.
Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on K.H.O.W. 6:30 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H..R.45:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45
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I AM NOT the one who typed "clip" in there! I accept NO responsibility for that!!! ;D (cat)
OH SH$#!!! "My canoe just tipped over while hunting and ALL my guns fell in the lake!"
"I tripped and broke the stock off that gun, so I threw it in the garbage."
"When we moved I forgot it in our old house."
"My dog ate it."
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According to Tom Gresham's 03-08 podcast it's dead, no cosponsers.
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Outside california I cant see proposing something like that being good for any political carreer... What are they thinking?!?
This state (Michigan) already requires registration of all handguns. Has for years. An "unreported loss or theft" will net you something like $1000 fine and a year in jail per gun. So when they do decide to come collecting its pretty hard to get out of!
Up until this January they called it a "mandatory safty inspection", but all the sudden that changed when they got sued for enough money last year. Now they dont even try to hide calling it registration.
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"My canoe just tipped over while hunting and ALL my guns fell in the lake!"
"I tripped and broke the stock off that gun, so I threw it in the garbage."
"When we moved I forgot it in our old house."
"My dog ate it."
OKAY let's go over this again. IF YOU LIE, you will be prosecuted. Do not make up stories. Many of those prosecuted on the federal level are for false statements not for the original wrongdoing. 4473 prosecutions are for falsifying federal forms, not for gun running or gun trafficking.
REPEAT AFTER ME. DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE. DO NOT MAKE UP STORIES.
If "they" come for your guns, say I need to talk to a lawyer.
If they have a search warrant, invite them in. Open any cabinet, closet or safe they want to look inside.
After searching and they can't find what they want, say, "I NEED TO TALK TO A LAWYER."
Do not volunteer any info. Don't make up any stories. Don't get talkative.
Let's practice
POLICE ASK --- YOUR RESPONSE IS
Can we come in --- I would like to talk to a lawyer
Do you have any guns? --- I would like to talk to a lawyer
We have a list, where are they? --- I would like to talk to a lawyer
You are required by law to show us your guns --- I would like to talk to a lawyer
Come on now, where did you bury them? --- I would like to talk to a lawyer
We'll find them anyway. --- I would like to talk to a lawyer
Betcha $20 I know where they are. --- I would like to talk to a lawyer
We can haul you in for not cooperating -- I would like to talk to a lawyer
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj216/marshalette/emotions/Scusemesir5B15D1.jpg)
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Following Alf's advice - Remember that Al Capone did not go to jail for murder, extortion, bribery, bootlegging, arson, or even parking tickets. Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion! That's right, he lied on his taxes.
Those that don't learn from history are doomed to relive it!
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Following Alf's advice - Remember that Al Capone did not go to jail for murder, extortion, bribery, bootlegging, arson, or even parking tickets. Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion! That's right, he lied on his taxes.
Those that don't learn from history are doomed to relive it!
Big Al didn't lie on his taxes. He never filed any taxes.
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I would try and down play my oops, except I just ranted about the power of words on another thread. Sure enough someone would catch me at it, and if that happened I'd rather receive a "clip" lashing :-[
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CLIP!!
;D
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CLIP!!
;D
Were that snot nosed little red head that sat behind me in kindergarten?
Damn tattletale >:(
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I'm sorry Officer, They were in the safe last time I opened it. 8)
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Can't post it enough,....
http://www.secondamendment.net/2amd7updated.html
alfsauve hits it right on the head..
The Fourth Amendment protects you against unreasonable searches and seizures. If the police want to search your house without your consent, they need a warrant. Warrants may only be issued upon a showing of probable cause, supported by an affidavit. The facts contained in the affidavit must do more than support a mere suspicion. The test is whether the information in the affidavit would justify a person of prudence and caution in believing that an offense is being committed, e.g. that "prohibited" weapons can be found on your premises. The requirement of probable cause for the issuance of warrants is one of your most precious constitutional protections. NEVER GIVE THE AUTHORITIES YOUR CONSENT TO SEARCH YOUR HOUSE, YOUR CAR, YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS, OR ANY OTHER PREMISES UNDER YOUR CONTROL. Consent dispenses with the necessity of probable cause. While lacking probable cause, if the police conduct a search with your consent and seize evidence for use against you in court, your lawyer will not be able to suppress it on the basis that the search was warrantless.
The Fifth Amendment protects you against giving evidence against yourself, i.e., your right to remain silent. Just as you cannot be compelled to testify against yourself in a criminal trial, neither can you be compelled to answer a policeman's questions about that AR-15 you bought a couple of years ago and never surrendered. Don't be bashful about invoking this right. It's always better to remain silent and appear guilty than to open your mouth and prove it.
Were that snot nosed little red head that sat behind me in kindergarten?
Damn tattletale >:(
That was you? :P
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Thanks for that site twyacht! Printed off the card and am going to make use of the laminater in the morning.
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twyacht. VERY COOL SITE! THANKS!
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When I read the whole article, and kept scrolling down and reading, it was spot on. We are Americans! We have rights under the Constitution. Regardless if attempts are made to chip away at them.,..
If ( and that's a big IF), the situation deteriorates in our country, it is always good to be informed and aware of a plan if the SHTF.
I am under no obligation to give them my gunsafe combo, or ANYTHING! Yes it will suck, but there will be another day.....
Especially, if it comes to your door.
Nowhere in the article did he assert violent confrontation, just a citizens RIGHT to put the gov't in check regarding the 4th and 5th Amend. AS IT PERTAINS TO THE 2nd!
"That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct. We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals. It is so ordered."
Justice Antonin Gregory Scalia, June 26, 2008, DC v. Heller
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Hope this link still works. This is a video of a law professor explaining why you don't talk to the Police when questioned with out a lawyer and He is backed up by a Police detective afterwards. It's a little long, but worth the time.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=36340
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How about they were in the Obama supporter's house that just mysteriously burned to the ground at the exact same time that all the fire trucks were called out to that building fire hoax...
Sorry.
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What I'm learning more and more. WE HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT! Cerberus owns most of, and is trying to aquire more of the whole arms manufacturing industry. They arent buying up all that just to let the government limit their sales. Cheaper to buy politicians off than let them limit the market.
"Cerberus is big enough to make waves in Washington. Money talks in politics and Cerberus has lots of it."
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5607.0.html (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5607.0.html)
Not much that company doesnt have control of. If they said "jump", any politician is going to be in the air before the money hit his account.
So, YOU PEOPLE STOP BUYING UP ALL THE GUNS AND AMMO!!! Reducing the crazy demand for everything is the only way to get the prices to come back down... Then I can go shopping again. ;D
Sure was a good thing for Cerberus when Obama got elected... Huh? (Wonder who paid for that?)
Ok, my point is now made. ;D
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Cerebrus? The three headed dog that guards the gates of hell. Why am I somehow not filled with warm fuzzies? I mean jeesh, you'd think the PR folks would at least try!
fightingquaker13
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"I mean jeesh, you'd think the PR folks would at least try!" ;D ;D ;D
OLL MY GOD! I ALMOST RUPTURED LAUGHING SO HARD!!! I'd better go check myself.
Cerberus (the company with more money than god) buys up Chrysler, GMAC, and others,
Obama get elected, and poor, poor little Chrysler, GMAC, and the others are all the sudden "broke!"
Obama quickly gives Chrysler, GMAC, and others BILLIONS, and BILLIONS of the sheepals money, even though they are still owned by "the company that has more money than god".
Democracy? Communism? I'm just not clear on this whole politics thing anymore ???
The 6 oclock news should draw up a ladder chart of all this each day for the public to better understand their position.
Communism: "based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] Karl Marx posited that communism would be the final stage in human society,"
Before what? Thats the real question!
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Cerebrus? The three headed dog that guards the gates of hell. Why am I somehow not filled with warm fuzzies? I mean jeesh, you'd think the PR folks would at least try!
fightingquaker13
It is a big hedge fund, I am cool with huge companies that make a lot of money buying politicians. As long as they are the companies I like. ;)
Maybe I should get an internship with them
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"intern"... I believe in Cerberus hierarchry that position is "Minion"! ;D
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"intern"... I believe in Cerberus hierarchry that position is "Minion"! ;D
That is UNPAID minon to you! Thank you very much.
Minon to the rich and powerful is better than manager to the poor and stupid.
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That is UNPAID minon to you! Thank you very much.
Minon to the rich and powerful is better than manager to the poor and stupid.
Tell that to Madoff, although he did go for the rich and stupid.
fightigquaker13
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Outside california I cant see proposing something like that being good for any political career... What are they thinking?!?
Man, you got that right! The newest initiative from the whackos here is that because gays can't have marriage, they want to turn everyone's marriages into "civil unions." Effectively, this would make it so there are no married people in Californication. At least in the Red County (the OC), our County supervisors voted to stop funding for Planned Parenthood.
As for Cerberus owning everything. It's kind of scary that they are named after the 3-headed lap dog for hades. I thought hell's 3-headed dog was the Obama-Pelosi-Reid.
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I checked WIKIPEDIA, founder 47 year old Steve Feinberg, Princeton , Capt of tennis team, ROTC, Few friends"Very Private person, Started with Drexel Burnham Republican, Hunter, Chairman is John W. Snow George W.'s second treasury secretary, Former VP Dan Quayle runs one of its international investment units. Feinberg has said he regrets the name but it seemed like a good Idea at the time (that statement is usually the kiss of death for my bright ideas) seems to own half the free world , MCI, 51% of GMAC, Parent co. of air Canada, Long list, half a billion here half a billion there, The firearms investments are coming from his couch cushions.Lives on Manhattens Upper east side , drives a pickup truck ,never gives interviews, Just a regular guy with a wife a 3 daughters who deals in hundreds of millions of dollars. Donald Rumsfeld is a client, Check out the company websight at cerberuscapital.com. This guy could Bixxh slap Bloomberg. No word on goals or objectives beyond making money though. The facts he lives like a regular wage slave and is a hunter are promising though, maybe he just wants to shoot some AR's
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All of you people Worried about "Cerberus" being the "guard dog of Hades" need to remember that your basically Christian concepts don't have anything to do with it. Hades was the "Underworld" of Greek mythology where ALL the dead went ,regardless of their conduct in life, and pretty much just continued their earthly pursuits until they "faded" from memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus
http://www.cerberuscapital.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management
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"Very Private person". Hey, give the poor guy a break! Its hard to invite over your new buddies from the gun club when you've gotta keep trying to explain the giant pentagrams on the floors and the statues with bloody goats heads in every room! Heck, what do you tell the guy who walks into your bedroom by mistake and finds the sacrificial alter?!? Before Steve knows it he gets all stressed out and his head starts spinning around like the kid in Excorcist and he's spraying puke all over like a sprinkler!
In reality, he's one SCARY powerfull dude!!! I sure hope he's buying up the gun companies for reasons that will benefit the people!!!
Sure like to go through those couch cushions one day, if I had a priest with me for protection!
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Tell that to Madoff, although he did go for the rich and stupid.
fightigquaker13
And do you want to be any of his clients managers? I don't think so. He can still pay his bills, his investsors got hosed.
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"Very Private person". Hey, give the poor guy a break! Its hard to invite over your new buddies from the gun club when you've gotta keep trying to explain the giant pentagrams on the floors and the statues with bloody goats heads in every room! Heck, what do you tell the guy who walks into your bedroom by mistake and finds the sacrificial alter?!? Before Steve knows it he gets all stressed out and his head starts spinning around like the kid in Excorcist and he's spraying puke all over like a sprinkler!
In reality, he's one SCARY powerfull dude!!! I sure hope he's buying up the gun companies for reasons that will benefit the people!!!
Sure like to go through those couch cushions one day, if I had a priest with me for protection!
The gun industry purchases WERE his couch cushion money.