The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: 1776 Rebel on March 17, 2009, 10:52:27 AM
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After 9/11 it took a hard fight by the airline pilots to get a formal program allowing them to carry guns in the cabin. Now our DEAR LEADER is ending the program...Add this to the BHO assaults on guns and gun owners. Read the whole editorial from the Washington TImes...Damm....
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/17/guns-on-a-plane-obama-secretly-ends-program-that-l/
Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.
The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.
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What a bastard rat! >:(
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What a bastard rat! >:(
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Oh well, I'd rather drive anyway.
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Wont take your guns, indeed. >:(
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What a bastard rat! >:(
M'ette,
Whose 10-22 is that in your right hand?
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**grinning** ........ well mine ... if I play my cards right. ;)
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**grinning** ........ well mine ... if I play my cards right. ;)
WAIT!!!!!!! You mean you have TWO tricked out 10-22s and I don't even have a plain Jane one? NO FARE! :(
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**grinning** ........ well mine ... if I play my cards right. ;)
I think that was what you were saying about that AR giveaway too, wasnt it?
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That was from the Tactical Solutions Booth.. but I DO have my eye on the..... what else??
The purple one of course. ..
((And I KNOW how to play my cards.......... When to hold 'em.. when to fold 'em ;) soooooooooooooooo.. we will see if the Marshal will show his hand or if I will have to go all in............... ;D
But. whatever it takes...
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((And I KNOW how to play my cards.......... When to hold 'em.. when to fold 'em ;) soooooooooooooooo.. we will see if the Marshal will show his hand or if I will have to go all in............... ;D
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Anyone want to have a go at that one? :-X
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Matching purple Rugers you have been good. ;D :o 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Anyone want to have a go at that one? :-X
***crickets***
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That's a pretty "pair" ,........ ::),............of ,....uh,.. rifles Marshal'ette,. ;)
Back to the OP, it would seem that the only thing from keeping terrorists from entering the cockpit is a pretty little "lock?
What kind of BS is that? >:(
to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.
How's that "field" inspection going to go at 15,000 feet with another group of homicidal/suicidal terrorists, hell bent on killing all the men, women, children, they can, you stupid rat bastard m*&^#@ f*&^@#?................... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Words come to mind to carry on, but decorum prohibits me from adding anything further.....
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I was never a fan of the program, as some one that flys several times a year, I don't want bullets flying my direction. Also do to all the changes,( all around, inculding the public) The only way a plane is going to get taken over now is if there are more terrorist then flyers.
The only really safe shooting angle is a steep upward one. If you actually look at the idea, you will see its a "feel good" measure rather then one that actually works.
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I was never a fan of the program,
MAJOR friggin surprise.
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MAJOR friggin surprise.
;)
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Maybe, the reason no group has attempted another "hijacking" is a combination that the passengers will just beat them, AND that the pilot/co-pilot would come out and just shoot them, or an ARMED Air Marshall will what?......SHOOT THEM!
Glad this was released "quietly", at least Al-Quaeda or Hamas, or some dumb-ass shoe bomber won't know.... :-X
I was never a fan of the program, as some one that flys several times a year, I don't want bullets flying my direction. Also do to all the changes,( all around, inculding the public) The only way a plane is going to get taken over now is if there are more terrorist then flyers.
The only really safe shooting angle is a steep upward one. If you actually look at the idea, you will see its a "feel good" measure rather then one that actually works.
I don't want terrorists on MY PLANE!!!
Uh, over the last 8 years, I'd say a small reason was it was a deterrent.
Now that's gone. and it will be up to you TAB to beat them up good!
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twyacht I totally agree.
If it comes down to me and other passengers having to fight tooth and nail to stop a hijacker vs. an armed crew, I will vote for the armed crew 100% of the time. I don't see a raging 40 minute firefight in the air. So lets see...crashing at 600 miles an hour into the ground or a skyscraper vs. a magazine at most of 40SW (most being absorbed by BGs)? Hmmmmm let me think about that.....NOT.
But our government says let them all die in a crash. I believe they may want such things to happen. Rahm's oft quoted phrase "that a crisis is a terrible thing to waste" shows how this administration thinks.
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MAJOR friggin surprise.
heaven forbid some one look at somethinged with unbiased eyes... Even the NTSB said it was a waste of thier time and money, they only did do to offical requests from congress/white house. There were only a couple airlines that would even let thier pilots in the program, ( I want to say there was 3, but its been awhile) the rest said no.
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9/11 hijackers used box cutters, Also up until 9/11 no one had used a plane as a guided missle before as an act of terrorism. In the case of 9/11 even if we had fighters in the air, shooting them down was not an option do to thier location above a heavly populated area.
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9/11 hijackers used box cutters, Also up until 9/11 no one had used a plane as a guided missle before as an act of terrorism. In the case of 9/11 even if we had fighters in the air, shooting them down was not an option do to thier location above a heavly populated area.
While you are factually correct in everything you say in this post, none of it has jack shit to do with the AFDO Program. Am I missing something?
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heaven forbid some one look at somethinged with unbiased eyes... Even the NTSB said it was a waste of thier time and money, they only did do to offical requests from congress/white house. There were only a couple airlines that would even let thier pilots in the program, ( I want to say there was 3, but its been awhile) the rest said no.
The NTSB and the White house fought it every step of the way and kept it from being implemented for over a year.
It was the NTSB that came up with the brilliant policy of "lets make the pilot mess with it every time he takes off and lands, and Hey I've got another idea, lets have them put a PADLOCK through the triggerguard while he's trying to land the plane. Some ones sure to blow their nuts off that way"
Actually, hijackers have come up with methods of dealing with Air marshals. They have one or 2 wait a while in their seats, if the Air marshals intervene they shoot him in the back. As for armed pilots and locked doors, they are only psychological deterrents. You tell the pilot I'm going to kill 1 passenger every 2 minutes until you open the door, it'll open, if not theres always explosives. But PASSENGERS are unpredictable, there have been several cases where passengers have jumped hijackers since 9-11 and the hijacker is usually killed as in the "South West Airlines hijack attempt where the fat lady sat on the hijacker. He died of suffocation ;D
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heaven forbid some one look at somethinged with unbiased eyes... Even the NTSB said it was a waste of thier time and money, they only did do to offical requests from congress/white house. There were only a couple airlines that would even let thier pilots in the program, ( I want to say there was 3, but its been awhile) the rest said no.
Good idea, you should follow up on that thought.
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Good idea, you should follow up on that thought.
That's gonna leave a mark! ;D
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The NTSB and the White house fought it every step of the way and kept it from being implemented for over a year.
It was the NTSB that came up with the brilliant policy of "lets make the pilot mess with it every time he takes off and lands, and Hey I've got another idea, lets have them put a PADLOCK through the triggerguard while he's trying to land the plane. Some ones sure to blow their nuts off that way"
Actually, hijackers have come up with methods of dealing with Air marshals. They have one or 2 wait a while in their seats, if the Air marshals intervene they shoot him in the back. As for armed pilots and locked doors, they are only psychological deterrents. You tell the pilot I'm going to kill 1 passenger every 2 minutes until you open the door, it'll open, if not theres always explosives. But PASSENGERS are unpredictable, there have been several cases where passengers have jumped hijackers since 9-11 and the hijacker is usually killed as in the "South West Airlines hijack attempt where the fat lady sat on the hijacker. He died of suffocation ;D
The lock only had to be in place when they were out side of the cock pit or they had the door open. I agree it was not the best solution, but still it you can't operate something like that from a check list... maybe you should not be a pilot.