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Title: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: philw on March 20, 2009, 01:29:28 AM
I just saw this

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/obama_deception.php
Quote
The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order.

He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order's plans. and only by exposing the con can we help to save freedom in America.

The Obama Deception is not about Left or Right: it's about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation.

Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda, and how his initial appointments and actions prove he serves the corporate oligarchs, not the American people. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you.


here is the full movie 

long one,  nearly 2 hours

Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: fightingquaker13 on March 20, 2009, 04:43:55 AM


No offense mate, but I think standing upside down, down there has gotten to you, all that blod rushing to your head and all ;). The one thing you need to know about America is that our wing nuts love a good conspiracy theory. This seems more prevalent on the right than the left, but the lefties are no slouches either. Its been that way since the beggining of the Republic. Got laid off? The wife getting uppity? The kids turning queer and the dogs looking at you funny? Not to worry! Its the witches,Masons, Catholics, Irishmen, abolitionist race mixers, the slave power conspiracy, the Crown, the reds, the jews (can't forget the jews in any good conspiracy theory [just ask Mel Gibson] and bonus points if the house of Rothschild gets mentioned), the Mexican irrendentists reclaiming "Azatlan", the UN, the drug cartels, the New World Order, or if all else fails the Anti-Christ his ownself. Insert two or more of the following and you've got a website. Add three and some ersatz history and a book deal will folow, maybe a movie if you can quote Bible phrophesy. Its just an American didease. There's a great classic book called "The Paranoid Style In American Politics" by Richard Hoffstadter. It was written in the fifties and traces the writings of these whack jobs. The funny thing is that the narrative is exactly the same,the only thing that changes is the name of the bad guys. Its always what happens in times of economic and social upheaval here in the US of A. Othere countries riot, we put on tinfoil hats and wait for the End Times. As Hunter S Thompson put it, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Its just an American thing, no worries.
fightingquaker13
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: philw on March 20, 2009, 04:57:16 AM
don't worry mate  it takes a lot to offend me ( trust me on that and one of the reasons I wish there was a NSFW section on here  ;) )

and yes I had my tinfoil hat on, hehe

Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: Solus on March 20, 2009, 05:49:18 AM
Reading this, I thought of what might be a great Internet business at this time.

What I thought of was The Tinfoil Haberdashery.  Perfect....


So I google the name...and find it is taken....you snooze you loose....
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: philw on March 20, 2009, 05:58:01 AM
Reading this, I thought of what might be a great Internet business at this time.

What I thought of was The Tinfoil Haberdashery.  Perfect....


So I google the name...and find it is taken....you snooze you loose....

thetinfoilhaberdashery.com is available      hehe 
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 25, 2009, 01:27:51 AM
I was mesmerized  when I started to watch this.. This is not so much about the left or right.. but about what is going on within the circle of our government.  This is a full length documentary.. the longer you get into watching it.. the more is uncovered. Scary.. eye opening and one that I think everyone should see.

Interesting stuff.................... Scary.. eye opening..and Very Interesting.

It uncovers legislation on taxing us for everything from how many miles we drive (tracking devises)  to the light bulbs we use...it covers a multitude of things.. You will not be able to escape doing some heavy personal thinking if you watch this in its entirety.


The Obama Deception is already receiving critical acclaim and topping popularity rankings of global Internet video websites, but we are now urging our supporters to push even harder by letting people know how they can watch the full documentary absolutely free.

We are inviting people to view The Obama Deception in full completely free via You Tube.

By publicly promoting how people can watch our film for free within days of its release, we are undercutting our own sales, but the truth is too important not to enable The Obama Deception to be seen by as many people as possible.

Use it as a tool to wake up America to the truth behind the mask and the real agenda behind Obama that is a threat to our very country and way of life.




more information:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-best-way-to-wake-up-the-world-to-the-obama-deception.html




Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: philw on March 25, 2009, 03:08:42 AM
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5778.0.html    :)

Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 25, 2009, 08:12:07 AM
No offense mate, but I think standing upside down, down there has gotten to you, all that blod rushing to your head and all ;). The one thing you need to know about America is that our wing nuts love a good conspiracy theory. This seems more prevalent on the right than the left, but the lefties are no slouches either. Its been that way since the beggining of the Republic. Got laid off? The wife getting uppity? The kids turning queer and the dogs looking at you funny? Not to worry! Its the witches,Masons, Catholics, Irishmen, abolitionist race mixers, the slave power conspiracy, the Crown, the reds, the jews (can't forget the jews in any good conspiracy theory [just ask Mel Gibson] and bonus points if the house of Rothschild gets mentioned), the Mexican irrendentists reclaiming "Azatlan", the UN, the drug cartels, the New World Order, or if all else fails the Anti-Christ his ownself. Insert two or more of the following and you've got a website. Add three and some ersatz history and a book deal will folow, maybe a movie if you can quote Bible phrophesy. Its just an American didease. There's a great classic book called "The Paranoid Style In American Politics" by Richard Hoffstadter. It was written in the fifties and traces the writings of these whack jobs. The funny thing is that the narrative is exactly the same,the only thing that changes is the name of the bad guys. Its always what happens in times of economic and social upheaval here in the US of A. Othere countries riot, we put on tinfoil hats and wait for the End Times. As Hunter S Thompson put it, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Its just an American thing, no worries.
fightingquaker13

fightingquaker13, it's not the 'wingnuts' that worries me, it's the complacent bury their head in the sand types like you who'll see no evil and believe everything GW Bush (if you're a republicrud) or Obamanoid (if you're a democrud) happens to tell you...types like you'll are chronically being jerked around by your emotions without being willing to look at any facts...facts such as: the government is not your friend - never has been and never will be. Fact, government out of DC, and in many liberal states, want a huge population reduction...wake up and smell the coffee - America's been taken over by Marxists masquerading as your friend...

David Wilkerson's also come out in recent weeks and years warning - I suppose he's what you'd define as one of them there wingnuts? GW Bush is/was every bit as much a trojan-horse/judas-goat to the right as is Hussein Obama is to the left...wake up dude!
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 25, 2009, 08:43:02 AM
I was mesmerized  when I started to watch this.. This is not so much about the left or right.. but about what is going on within the circle of our government.  This is a full length documentary.. the longer you get into watchingit.. the more is uncovered. Scary.. eye opening and one that I think everyone should see.

Interesting stuff.................... Scary.. eye opening..and Very Interesting.

It uncovers legislation on taxing us for everything from how many miles we drive (tracking devises)  to the light bulbs we use...it covers a multitude of things.. You will not be able to escape doing some heavy personal thinking if you watch this in its entirety.




Yep, it's not only interesting - but it also cuts across party-lines exposing the charade out of DC for what it is a complete and total hoodwinking by Gov against a very divided and very complacent American population using our own God given resources (ie our own military) in which to do it with...

...the biggest kicker in the breadbasket is when one starts to actually look at what our leaders have done (such as the whole Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clintons, GW Bush - the whole democratic/republican dialectic being perpetrated against Americans) going over many years back - that without the complicity of both parties working together toward the same ends, where we are today, with the full of baloney 'one' from Kenya (God only knows who and what he really is...) would have never happened...

And like Ventura (former gov of MN/former wrestler/moviestar) said, to the public the whole dem/repub thing puts on the show they're for this or that while they are great friends behind the scene sharing and looking out for one another as if there's those who live and exist out of DC and than there's the rest of us who's strings they manipulate via emotions just as the devil always wants to do...what would those who consider what's said here as 'wingnut' stuff do when something bigger happens? Panic comes to my mind; and panic among the masses will open those masses up to manipulation as always happens when such things happen...
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: fightingquaker13 on March 25, 2009, 09:01:14 AM
M'lette, I have to apologize for posting this because you are fine human being, but you look better without the tinfoil. ;) The very name of the site thats hosting this, Prison Planet, should send off a warning signal. Conspiracy theories are seductive because they appear logical. All these bad things are happening right now. It can't be a coincedence can it? Its surely not OUR fault or the result of random chance? No, there's someone behind it, pulling the strings. Here are all these connections, however superficial they may be. The reason no one alse knows is because THEY (insert your favorite they) are behind it, but WE know better, lets educate the "sheeple". This kind of thinking has gone on for as long as there have been humans. Never yet have we seen something (The Roman Empire, the communists, the Catholic Church etc) that was able to pull it off simply because a conspiracy like this requires a degree of agency that simply doesn't exist in the real world. All of our set backs are the result of enemy action their's are mere ploys. It just doesn't stand up to the giggle test. Here is a response I wrote to Phil from Australia about this same post on an earlier thread.

No offense mate, but I think standing upside down, down there has gotten to you, all that blood rushing to your head and all . The one thing you need to know about America is that our wing nuts love a good conspiracy theory. This seems more prevalent on the right than the left, but the lefties are no slouches either. Its been that way since the beggining of the Republic. Got laid off? The wife getting uppity? The kids turning queer and the dogs looking at you funny? Not to worry! Its the witches,Masons, Catholics, Irishmen, abolitionist race mixers, the slave power conspiracy, the Crown, the reds, the jews (can't forget the jews in any good conspiracy theory [just ask Mel Gibson] and bonus points if the house of Rothschild gets mentioned), the Mexican irrendentists reclaiming "Azatlan", the UN, the drug cartels, the New World Order, or if all else fails the Anti-Christ his ownself. Insert two or more of the following and you've got a website. Add three and some ersatz history and a book deal will follow, maybe a movie if you can quote Bible phrophesy. Its just an American disease. There's a great classic book called "The Paranoid Style In American Politics" by Richard Hoffstadter. It was written in the fifties and traces the writings of these whack jobs. The funny thing is that the narrative is exactly the same,the only thing that changes is the name of the bad guys. Its always what happens in times of economic and social upheaval here in the US of A. Other countries riot, we put on tinfoil hats and wait for the End Times. As Hunter S Thompson put it, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Its just an American thing, no worries.
fightingquaker13
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: ericire12 on March 25, 2009, 09:36:39 AM
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5778.0.html    :)



Yes, read the "unread posts" before you start a new thread, M'ette.

Newbies.  ::)




 ;D
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 25, 2009, 11:53:52 AM
Mike Adams, NaturalNews Editor writes, "The American people will not be forewarned of the collapse of the dollar. It will be a sudden, surprise announcement, and all the politicians and banking elitists who engineered the whole thing will pronounce their "shock" that such a thing could happen!" http://www.counterthink.com/025688.html

And mind you, none of this ever could have happened without their being complicity amongst those we elect along party lines (there being no difference between republicans and democrats -- except in the mind of we the people who'll be left holding the bag of poo when the dust all settles...when what ever is slated to hit here within our beloved country toward their end goals won't effect the GW Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, Ashcrofts, Bonds, Specters, Pelosies of our nation one bit -- their futures being what it's always been at tax payers' expense: pure gravy...)

Is also why I refer folks to infowars.com and Alex Jones, among others: because of Alex Jones extensive research and study has been able to give the most comprehensive rendition of the total and complete hoodwinking going on against the American people by the elites working through our elected politicians in any one place there is that one can go to; and virtually everyone from Ron Paul to Richard Mack, to eugenicists (other scientists) and researchers, to Chuck Baldwin to top ex-military commanders and law enforcements personnel et al meet to discuss these serious issues facing the United States and its people - mainstream media for acquiring news and information is a joke in line with the propaganda machine of historical noteworthiness; of which I'll not mention any names since I trust you gun owner and 2nd Amendment 'rights' advocates (my self being one) are able to connect dots as well as I can...
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: fightingquaker13 on March 25, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
[; and virtually everyone from Ron Paul to Richard Mack, to eugenicists (other scientists) and researchers, to Chuck Baldwin to top ex-military commanders and law enforcements personnel et al meet to discuss these serious issues facing the United States and its people -I can... [/i]

Just so I understand you correctly, are Paul, Mack, the Eugenicists Baldwin and various commanders the good guys, or the bad guys here? I wasnt sure whether you were lumping them in with other mainstream pols and scientists or not. The reason I ask is that I don't want to slam you for something you weren't saying.
fighting quaker13
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 25, 2009, 02:01:07 PM

Just so I understand you correctly, are Paul, Mack, the Eugenicists Baldwin and various commanders the good guys, or the bad guys here? I wasnt sure whether you were lumping them in with other mainstream pols and scientists or not. The reason I ask is that I don't want to slam you for something you weren't saying.
fighting quaker13

Thanks for the opportunity to expound before you lower the boom!

I'm saying there's those who believe America is a Constitutional Republic that God ordained (one in which everyone - and I mean "EVERYONE" - is all under the same rules and laws whether a president or someone living in the poor house); which those I've cited are for advancing against the delusion regarding this socialist democracy we've got now - democracy being euphemism for socialism/communism etc ...(also know, democracy depends less on absolutes and right and wrong preferring to reside in areas of gray because gray is synonymous with 'confusion' in which they can then fudge the rules and laws such that what the rules and laws mean for us is different than it means for them...etc...)

The power really is, regardless of what DC has to say about it, with the individual states via their own state constitutions coupled with the 9th and 10th amendments...and governors and state governments having the guts to stand up for what is rightfully theirs'.

As I'd said before, those who'll poo-poo Alex Jones as a nutwing/what-not do so at their and our mutual peril...all these individuals I cite here have been interviewed on regular basis on Alex Jones infowar.com radio program and site...
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: fightingquaker13 on March 25, 2009, 02:25:34 PM
Thanks for the opportunity to expound before you lower the boom!


Just trying to be fair. I'll get back to you on the states rights thing, but I was actually asking about the eugenics thing. Are you on board with them or no?
FQ13
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 25, 2009, 03:03:50 PM
Thanks for the opportunity to expound before you lower the boom!


Just trying to be fair. I'll get back to you on the states rights thing, but I was actually asking about the eugenics thing. Are you on board with them or no?
FQ13

I hope your definition of fair isn't the same as in: Fair and Balanced of the Fox News Channel variety? : )

Eugenics; I'm opposed to it...and is being used as a tool along political lines just as the FDA CDC surgeon general's office, dang near everything today in America is political and going to be used to advance one agenda over another under 'supposed' party lines...

Hope that answers your question...


Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 25, 2009, 05:59:05 PM
Thanks VinBea... You said what I couldn't put into words.  :)
 Tinfoil or not.. I tend to find that it hits extremely close to home in the truth sector....But that is just my own opinion.

and  ericire??.......................................



Yes, read the "unread posts" before you start a new thread, M'ette.

Newbies.  ::)
 ;D

Kiss my ass...........(http://.http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/kissass.gif)

 ;D ;D ;D

I'm merging the threads................. :)
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 25, 2009, 08:28:40 PM
M'lette, I have to apologize for posting this because you are fine human being, but you look better without the tinfoil. ;) The very name of the site thats hosting this, Prison Planet, should send off a warning signal. Conspiracy theories are seductive because they appear logical. All these bad things are happening right now. It can't be a coincedence can it? Its surely not OUR fault or the result of random chance? No, there's someone behind it, pulling the strings. Here are all these connections, however superficial they may be. The reason no one alse knows is because THEY (insert your favorite they) are behind it, but WE know better, lets educate the "sheeple". This kind of thinking has gone on for as long as there have been humans. Never yet have we seen something (The Roman Empire, the communists, the Catholic Church etc) that was able to pull it off simply because a conspiracy like this requires a degree of agency that simply doesn't exist in the real world. All of our set backs are the result of enemy action their's are mere ploys. It just doesn't stand up to the giggle test. Here is a response I wrote to Phil from Australia about this same post on an earlier thread.

No offense mate, but I think standing upside down, down there has gotten to you, all that blood rushing to your head and all . The one thing you need to know about America is that our wing nuts love a good conspiracy theory. This seems more prevalent on the right than the left, but the lefties are no slouches either. Its been that way since the beggining of the Republic. Got laid off? The wife getting uppity? The kids turning queer and the dogs looking at you funny? Not to worry! Its the witches,Masons, Catholics, Irishmen, abolitionist race mixers, the slave power conspiracy, the Crown, the reds, the jews (can't forget the jews in any good conspiracy theory [just ask Mel Gibson] and bonus points if the house of Rothschild gets mentioned), the Mexican irrendentists reclaiming "Azatlan", the UN, the drug cartels, the New World Order, or if all else fails the Anti-Christ his ownself. Insert two or more of the following and you've got a website. Add three and some ersatz history and a book deal will follow, maybe a movie if you can quote Bible phrophesy. Its just an American disease. There's a great classic book called "The Paranoid Style In American Politics" by Richard Hoffstadter. It was written in the fifties and traces the writings of these whack jobs. The funny thing is that the narrative is exactly the same,the only thing that changes is the name of the bad guys. Its always what happens in times of economic and social upheaval here in the US of A. Other countries riot, we put on tinfoil hats and wait for the End Times. As Hunter S Thompson put it, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Its just an American thing, no worries.
fightingquaker13

...yeah, right! You're right! But I have a birth certificate and know where I came from; have an honorably discharge papers as a vet too...plus some over 25 years of studying this stuff (and though I've never written a book...generally used to define for people what an 'expert' is and/or isn't...I think I've learned a few things in my 45 years on planet X...) doesn't make void the fact you was all right and I was all wrong...

You have your definition of nutwing; and now you know I have mine....or am I not allowed to have my opinion? Perhaps you're one of them there paid operatives working on behalf of Obamanation? I mean, we know zillions of dollars just disappeared and that a lot of funds have been funneled back-door into pushing "Hussein's" agenda by infiltrating various organizations at the grass roots level...

Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: ericire12 on March 25, 2009, 08:35:03 PM

Kiss my ass...........





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Tastes like chicken!
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: fullautovalmet76 on March 25, 2009, 10:34:07 PM

No offense mate, but I think standing upside down, down there has gotten to you, all that blod rushing to your head and all ;). The one thing you need to know about America is that our wing nuts love a good conspiracy theory. This seems more prevalent on the right than the left, but the lefties are no slouches either. Its been that way since the beggining of the Republic. Got laid off? The wife getting uppity? The kids turning queer and the dogs looking at you funny? Not to worry! Its the witches,Masons, Catholics, Irishmen, abolitionist race mixers, the slave power conspiracy, the Crown, the reds, the jews (can't forget the jews in any good conspiracy theory [just ask Mel Gibson] and bonus points if the house of Rothschild gets mentioned), the Mexican irrendentists reclaiming "Azatlan", the UN, the drug cartels, the New World Order, or if all else fails the Anti-Christ his ownself. Insert two or more of the following and you've got a website. Add three and some ersatz history and a book deal will folow, maybe a movie if you can quote Bible phrophesy. Its just an American didease. There's a great classic book called "The Paranoid Style In American Politics" by Richard Hoffstadter. It was written in the fifties and traces the writings of these whack jobs. The funny thing is that the narrative is exactly the same,the only thing that changes is the name of the bad guys. Its always what happens in times of economic and social upheaval here in the US of A. Othere countries riot, we put on tinfoil hats and wait for the End Times. As Hunter S Thompson put it, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Its just an American thing, no worries.
fightingquaker13

Quaker,
I haven't read where you provide any evidence that any of the claims made by this film is a fraud or hoax. Instead of casting aspersions, why don't you watch it, research the claims made, and post your research and shut up Alex Jones, and those like him, once and for all?

I have researched some of what he has said, and can say that based upon what I have looked at I can say he has some credibility, though I am still skeptical of other things he says.

In case you missed it, the Prime Minister of England, Gordon Brown, has called for a "new world order" or a one world governing body that will help synchronize the financial systems of the world. Not long after, Vladimir Putin called for a universal currency that would replace the U.S. dollar as the de facto universal currency. Next, the Chi-coms echoed the same sentiment. And lastly, our own treasury secretary says he thinks that may be a good idea too. What's wrong with creating this financial "Tower of Babel"? Think about it: one universal governing body controlling all of the world's economies. By extension, that means controlling you and I.

The really sophisticated people like you will dismiss all of this as just another paranoid delusion by some troglodytes who probably should be put into those alleged FEMA camps anyway.....
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: fightingquaker13 on March 25, 2009, 11:19:07 PM
Quaker,
I haven't read where you provide any evidence that any of the claims made by this film is a fraud or hoax. Instead of casting aspersions, why don't you watch it, research the claims made, and post your research and shut up Alex Jones, and those like him, once and for all?

I have researched some of what he has said, and can say that based upon what I have looked at I can say he has some credibility, though I am still skeptical of other things he says.

In case you missed it, the Prime Minister of England, Gordon Brown, has called for a "new world order" or a one world governing body that will help synchronize the financial systems of the world. Not long after, Vladimir Putin called for a universal currency that would replace the U.S. dollar as the de facto universal currency. Next, the Chi-coms echoed the same sentiment. And lastly, our own treasury secretary says he thinks that may be a good idea too. What's wrong with creating this financial "Tower of Babel"? Think about it: one universal governing body controlling all of the world's economies. By extension, that means controlling you and I.

The really sophisticated people like you will dismiss all of this as just another paranoid delusion by some troglodytes who probably should be put into those alleged FEMA camps anyway.....

You are correct that I  have only listened to/watched cuts of this film that were provided free on the web. I have not sat through the whole 90 minute extravaganza. However, as I have said here and elsewhere I am deeply sceptical of conspiracy theories of any sort. Why? Because they offer simple explanations for complex problems. Just like folks who say I can lose weight by eating more bacon and drinking less OJ, I tend to raise an eyebrow. Maybe its just my training as a student of political history, but I have yet to see an example ANYWHERE where a group of people were competant enough to pull this kind of thing off, much less do it in secret. For Gods sake, the PRESIDENT of the US was impeached because he couldn't  keep a blow job under wraps. This same president couldn't, with all the favors owed and done, get his wife to beat an upstart nobody for the nomination. Why? Because she screwed up! This is the course of history. It is not written by elegant plots, but rather by blunders, happenstance and people making it up as they go along. I'm not an Obama fan boy, I'm a libertarian, but every ounce of instinct, every bit of training, and every hour I've spent studying political history tells me that conspiricacy theories, while satisfying because they make "sense", are too neat by half. They just don't fit the historical record. We may very well wind up off a cliff, but it won't be by design, just by shortsighted incompetance.
fightingquaker13 who still won't wear tinfoil (though I do keep my poweder dry)
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: PegLeg45 on March 25, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
People, people, people.......... it's NOT "Tin Foil".................

It's ALUMINUM Foil.........................................Dammit.



Now......on with the squabbles.....    :-\

Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: fightingquaker13 on March 25, 2009, 11:54:11 PM
People, people, people.......... it's NOT "Tin Foil".................

It's ALUMINUM Foil.........................................Dammit.



Now......on with the squabbles.....    :-\


Thanks Peg, a necessary correction for the craziness. This is a dispute that won't be resolved. You either believe or you don't. To hell with it. Do you still have that hog problem? Because my TENT (not your couch) and my very untactical Ruger M77 .270 can be there in about 10 hours if you're feeling endangered.I'd hate to think a fine American like yourself was afraid to go out his front door for fear of possibly tactical wild pigs. ;D
fightingquaker13
PS there was a thread on highpoint carbines that addressed the keltec su-200. Rumor has it that you own one. A little feed back would not go amiss.
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: PegLeg45 on March 26, 2009, 12:13:26 AM
Thanks Peg, a necessary correction for the craziness. This is a dispute that won't be resolved. You either believe or you don't. To hell with it. Do you still have that hog problem? Because my TENT (not your couch) and my very untactical Ruger M77 .270 can be there in about 10 hours if you're feeling endangered.I'd hate to think a fine American like yourself was afraid to go out his front door for fear of possibly tactical wild pigs. ;D
fightingquaker13
PS there was a thread on highpoint carbines that addressed the keltec su-200. Rumor has it that you own one. A little feed back would not go amiss.


I wasn't bashing on you guys and your discussion. Just a little levity thrown in because the 'tinfoil' made me chuckle. I worked in the aluminum industry for many years and once knew of a fellow who nearly lost his job for repeatedly using said term in front of the company owner, who despised it for its inaccuracy.
Just my own personal giggle moment.   ;)

And, yes, as a matter of fact I happen to have a Sub-2000 in .40 S&W. It's an accurate little rifle. I might just take it to the range next trip and do an ammo test and range report (and porn) if there's interest.
Alas....but that's a different thread.
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 26, 2009, 02:09:58 PM
...can I be a bit frank now?

Many of the local and state law enforcement community (exception being the Sheriff Departments) have already and/or are in the process of being federalized and will go along with the status quo for many reasons. Providing provisions for their family, they like the work; while others will pay into it just because they enjoy cracking a few skulls (beating their chest just because they can - heck, they have ample cover because of all the corruption going on out of WDC...I always thought growing up law enforcement in particular was about service and serving others; which it was then but not now amongst many within law enforcement - law enforcement being as divided among many of the same lines as is the populace they're policing.

So when someone poo poos this or that, consider where it is they're coming from - not everyone who says they're patriotic are in fact true patriots, most particularly when one considers the term patriot would be rooted in their belief and/or understanding about how things work in the realm of 'ideas'. We are a Constitutional Republic; not a democracy first and foremost. But if you are coming up via the ranks this United States of America is a democracy you'll tend to rationalize away certain truths as outdated (or what not) concerning such things as one's oath of office whether you're the president or a military person or law enforcement officer...If you believe we're a Constitutional Republic with all the laws and rules applicable to everyone whether president or a person living in a poor house...that justice is blind...than the oath you take is going to mean something different...

We all have this one life to live is all we get - and either the words of our founding fathers means what it says and says what it means as being from God; or Big Gov out of DC is god - and gets to change the rules of the game after the games has already started such as they've been famous at doing the past 100 years...tares being planet at America's founding right along with the wheat, and the harvest (what side of the fence you're going to commit to being on) is white onto harvest insofar as America is concerned...the lines having been drawn at America's founding, for those with ears...
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: Hazcat on March 26, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
...can I be a bit frank now?


Well, I don't know.  Have you tried it before?  Why not be a bit Joe or Bill?










;D
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 27, 2009, 12:03:10 AM
Well, I don't know.  Have you tried it before?  Why not be a bit Joe or Bill?










;D

Crap, I was going to tell him NO , thats Jumbo's job . ;D
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 27, 2009, 12:09:22 AM
...can I be a bit frank now?

Many of the local and state law enforcement community (exception being the Sheriff Departments) have already and/or are in the process of being federalized and will go along with the status quo for many reasons. Providing provisions for their family, they like the work; while others will pay into it just because they enjoy cracking a few skulls (beating their chest just because they can - heck, they have ample cover because of all the corruption going on out of WDC...I always thought growing up law enforcement in particular was about service and serving others; which it was then but not now amongst many within law enforcement - law enforcement being as divided among many of the same lines as is the populace they're policing.

So when someone poo poos this or that, consider where it is they're coming from - not everyone who says they're patriotic are in fact true patriots, most particularly when one considers the term patriot would be rooted in their belief and/or understanding about how things work in the realm of 'ideas'. We are a Constitutional Republic; not a democracy first and foremost. But if you are coming up via the ranks this United States of America is a democracy you'll tend to rationalize away certain truths as outdated (or what not) concerning such things as one's oath of office whether you're the president or a military person or law enforcement officer...If you believe we're a Constitutional Republic with all the laws and rules applicable to everyone whether president or a person living in a poor house...that justice is blind...than the oath you take is going to mean something different...

We all have this one life to live is all we get - and either the words of our founding fathers means what it says and says what it means as being from God; or Big Gov out of DC is god - and gets to change the rules of the game after the games has already started such as they've been famous at doing the past 100 years...tares being planet at America's founding right along with the wheat, and the harvest (what side of the fence you're going to commit to being on) is white onto harvest insofar as America is concerned...the lines having been drawn at America's founding, for those with ears...


Only if the public remains to gutless to kill the SOB's.
Back in the 30's and 40's there were a group who thought following orders justified any action, we killed many of them by hanging at Nuremberg.

Before you get to riled up take a breath and remember this. They can pass any law they want, but then they have to enforce it. The Military and Police in America total about 2 or 3 million bodies, of which at LEAST 25% are politically unreliable (they will side with the public and the constitution rather than the Administration and it's edicts), There are 90 Million gun owners, probably half (guess) are Veterans, if just 10%, (a fairly insignificant PERCENTAGE) Say F you, to the Administration, you have an armed force of 9 million POed people, just the 4.5 million with previous military training would have nearly a 2 to 1 advantage over the armed elements of Govt.
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: mudman on March 27, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
Tin Foil suits this crowd better ,myself included. And go's well with the subject matter to. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 27, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Tin Foil suits this crowd better ,myself included. And go's well with the subject matter to. 8) 8) 8)

Welcome to the club - regardless of whether one believes things going on out of DC is on purpose and by some pre-designed script in which both the democrats and the republicans are working together toward the same ends or not, what's going on out of this nation's capital is amoral and totally bankrupt - and if it's that bad at the head, the body following can't be far behind; can it?

Again, I know there's many vets, myself but one, out there well aware the scam is on -- but the feds out of DC own the B-52 bombers and other such hardware; now if we can get some of those pilots over on the side of our nation being a Constitutional Republic (everyone under the same rules [no more special perks and special deals for politicians to avoid accountability...etc] with justice being blind to bribes and fraud etc...) - not a democracy, which is synonymous with mob-rule and changing the rules after the games already started - then you might very well be on to something positive coming out of all this...

Lines are clearly being drawn as to what side each one of us is going to be on (there's not much more time left toward the fence sitters) whether back toward our foundational documents of our framers with this being a Constitutional Republic; or we'll advance into democracy, then socialism, and finally communism/fascism with our very own little Hitler ruling over us all...history always wanting to repeat itself, you know...
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 27, 2009, 08:54:02 PM
I try never to blame "conspiracy" for what is better explained by greed, self interest, and stupidity.
Come on, do you actually think that Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, or John "Abscam scumbag" Murtha would be allowed to participate in ANY self respecting conspiracy ? Do you really think those self aggrandizing blabbermouths would be TRUSTED by REAL conspirators, especially Murtha who has already ratted out one conspiracy.
Be that as it may, the slide toward dictatorship must be stopped by whatever means are available to the few ramaining Americans who manage to retain a shred of common sense.
Title: Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
Post by: VinBea on March 27, 2009, 10:10:15 PM
I try never to blame "conspiracy" for what is better explained by greed, self interest, and stupidity.
Come on, do you actually think that Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, or John "Abscam scumbag" Murtha would be allowed to participate in ANY self respecting conspiracy ? Do you really think those self aggrandizing blabbermouths would be TRUSTED by REAL conspirators, especially Murtha who has already ratted out one conspiracy.
Be that as it may, the slide toward dictatorship must be stopped by whatever means are available to the few ramaining Americans who manage to retain a shred of common sense.

First off, you mention at least two traits I'd define as manifestations of spiritual matters - there being another 5 that together has often been described as the so called "7 deadly sins"...so if I'm coming from the basis and belief that's what is going on at the top (as well as each of us as individuals, a Constitutional Republic requires we each police ourselves - the alternative being a police state in which the state polices the masses who are unable to police and do right by itself, its neighbors...as history shows) as outward manifestations of what a person who believes in what the Bible has to say about the matter, me being one of those types - then absolutely, I am guilty of seeing what's going on now, as a conspiracy; it being a conspiracy from the very beginning and continues to the present time...many professing just a few years back, that it could never happen in America...

I'll give you one example of what I'm talking about in laymen terms: there was a time I thought to get heavily involved in being a 'copyrighter' as the means by which to make a good living; but could not in all honesty due that - and why, you might ask? Well, because in order to get people to buy 'stuff', you have to sell to their emotion, have to sell an idea to get them to do things they'd not otherwise do -- that's exactly how the enemy of humanity operates; and to the degree he can get people to do this or that out of emotions, it's a done deal -- the leaders above our 'supposed' elected leaders (such as those leaders who selected "Hussein" Obama as our current president) know how to work and manipulate emotions because once we're responding out of emotions over the facts, they have us like 'money' in the bag...