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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on April 07, 2009, 06:09:39 PM
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April 7, 2009
@ 10:29 am by Michael O'Brien
The ball is in Congress's court to craft a compromise in reinstating regulations on assault weapons, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) acknowledged Tuesday.
During an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America," Pelosi said that the Congress will work to find some middle ground between the previous ban, which expired in 2004, and the precedent laid by the Supreme Court in a ruling enumerating more concrete gunowners' rights last term.
"We have to find some level of compromise," Pelosi said, citing 53 victims of gun violence nationwide in less than a month. "And we have to rid the debate of the misconceptions people have about what gun safety means."
"Yes, it is," the Speaker said when asked if the ball is in Congress's court now that Democrats control the White House. "And we are just going to have to work together to come to some resolution."
Pelosi indicated that new regulations might entail registration and prohibitions on transporting some firearms across state lines.
The Speaker also expressed displeasure at the attachment of a gun rights provision to legislation that would grant Washington, D.C. a voting member of Congress.
"Right now, we have the debate in Congress over the District of Columbia wanting a vote on the floor of the House, something we all want. That's a civil rights issue," she said, pledging to find "middle ground" on the issue. "And, yet, they want to put a gun…bill, attach that to that. I don't — I don't think that that should be the price to pay to have a vote on the floor of the House."
Watch the video of Pelosi's interview here.
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/07/pelosi-pledges-compromise-on-assault-weapons-ban/ (scroll down, top of page empty)
Best part of vid starts at the 3:05 mark
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I don't know Haz...her lips were moving so I have to assume she was lying!
Not a real fluent speaker is she?
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What compromise? How about instead, this compromise, repealing all gun laws that violate the 2nd amendment. Oh I almost forgot in a compromise the enemy, I mean the other side gets something. How about this? Nancy and her fellow anti-gun congress critters don't get put into stocks and have rotten tomatoes and what not thrown at them.
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There is NO WAY I trust her, Chucky, Reid, Feinstien, Holder,and any other member of Congress. Plus the annointed BHO!
This will be a test to the "Blue Dog Dems who signed "A Letter to the Pres." regarding gun laws in this country.
Let's see if they have the testicular fortitude to hold up the the Wicked Witch of the West....
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Why is it in any gun law 'compromise', law abiding gun owners always lose something and the antis always gain something? This is not the definition of compromise. Why is it the rights set down indelibly and clearly in the 2nd amendment are open for limitation while gossamer 'rights' extrapolated and interpreted by lawyers are constantly expanding?
Here's my compromise: vote for any more gun control laws and I don't vote for you. Vote them down, and I vote you up.
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I have a compromise for her. Let's not pass any new laws and try enforcing laws that already exist, including immigration and truth in sentencing. I'll bet we'll see a dramatic decrease in crime.
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I don't know Haz...her lips were moving so I have to assume she was lying!
Not a real fluent speaker is she?
Or farting......hard to tell most of the time.
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Or farting......hard to tell most of the time.
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The only compromise we should consider is how much of our rights we TAKE BACK in one move....Anything other than that is nothing but a sellout.....
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Gun laws come after regular Joes like us, they never go after the criminals that buy illegal firearms. I have never purchased an illegal firearm on the street, yet the laws come after me all the time. The worst thing for me is I live in California so I'm proper screwed. The cherry on top is these losers killing at random that make us look like crazy heat packing loons. Laws need to go after criminals not ME! >:(
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Her idea of compromise is to dictate and we acquiesce. :'(
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I guess I should be glad I don't own any firearms ;D. That evil commie...well I better stop.
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I left my own comment. Thanks for the heads up Haz. I do have to crow a bit....I like that last line I added. Any conservatives in Congress should drop that eunich comment about.
I hate when I come to remembrance of the bad old days. You know, the days when we were intolerant, judgemental, and ignorant. Those days when we were secure to walk anywhere at night, courteous to everyone and didn't have to worry that someone elected president from either party would trash the country.
We are so much better off now in our tolerant and diverse society of today, aren't we? In the bad old days you could mail order a 22 from Sears and have it delivered by the U.S. Post Office to your doorstep with no federal paperwork or control. Now we have appropriate controls and bureacrats and such a better society. We should be so happy to have this Great Society which has brought us to the enlightenment that we enjoy today.
I can't wait to see what Nancy and her eunichs have in store for us tomorrow.
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"And we have to rid the debate of the misconceptions people have about what gun safety means."
Some how I get the feeling that she isn't talking about our view of handling and using firearms in a safe manor ???
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My idea of compromise:
Only repealing the 1968 GCA this year.
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A vote in the House for D.C. is a "civil rights Issue". Just what the hell are my 2nd Amendment Rights? Swiss cheese?
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A vote in the House for D.C. is a "civil rights Issue". Just what the hell are my 2nd Amendment Rights? Swiss cheese?
DC wasn't to have a vote for a simple reason: the framers wanted it to remain neutral ground, owned by every state - a place for the Federal Government to be centered. If I remember correctly DC is overseen by the Congress.
Last I heard you were allowed to move out of DC if you really had a jones for your very own representative and 2 senators. All the Dems want is more libs in Congress. Pretty thin veil on that issue.
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"Right now, we have the debate in Congress over the District of Columbia wanting a vote on the floor of the House, something we all want. That's a civil rights issue," she said, pledging to find "middle ground" on the issue. "And, yet, they want to put a gun…bill, attach that to that. I don't — I don't think that that should be the price to pay to have a vote on the floor of the House."
Would have loved to hear a strong interviewer ask her what the Amendments to the Constitution are if they aren't also Rights ... Rights that are such a strong part of what is not only good for the citizens of the United States individually but for the Nation as a whole.
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"Right now, we have the debate in Congress over the District of Columbia wanting a vote on the floor of the House, something we all want. That's a civil rights issue," she said, pledging to find "middle ground" on the issue. "And, yet, they want to put a gun…bill, attach that to that. I don't — I don't think that that should be the price to pay to have a vote on the floor of the House."
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What part of the 2nd amendment ISN"T a civil right?
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Gun laws come after regular Joes like us, they never go after the criminals that buy illegal firearms. I have never purchased an illegal firearm on the street, yet the laws come after me all the time. The worst thing for me is I live in California so I'm proper screwed. The cherry on top is these losers killing at random that make us look like crazy heat packing loons. Laws need to go after criminals not ME! >:(
Don't you understand??? ??? If we disarm the people, then the criminals wouldn't need guns!! Geez I thought Miss Brady cleared this one up already. ;) But seriously, I look at it this way: How many times have you seen some idiot driver and muttered " Where's a cop when you need one? " Well where do you think they are going to be when you REALLY need one Nancy!!!
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Here's my compromise,
1) Nation wide unrestricted CCW
2) Repeal all anti gun laws passed since 1800
In exchange for these reasonable and common sense requests we agree not to hang the treasonous bitch and her co conspirators for their numerous violations of the Constitution and federal law.
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Here's my compromise,
1) Nation wide unrestricted CCW
2) Repeal all anti gun laws passed since 1800
In exchange for these reasonable and common sense requests we agree not to hang the treasonous bitch and her co conspirators for their numerous violations of the Constitution and federal law.
I'm with you ... does someone need to remind her that it is politics like her's that the Founding Fathers wanted us to be capable of overthrowing with any and all means available?
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"My question is: How do we exercise that RIGHT and indeed OBLIGATION without becoming a criminal. Say for instance you started a militia, and declared war on elected officials, and I mean going on national T.V. and announcing it. "We declare war on congress for eroding our civil liberties, for spitting on the constitution, and spending the country into bankruptcy, AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE."
The answer is simple, WIN. That's the only thing that kept the Founding Fathers from being hung for treason.
What is the deal, there was another post by JC2153 between M58's and this one, but it would not quote and when I posted this it was gone ???
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My apologies I was going to add to the statement and hit the delete instead of modify. :'( Fast fingers strikes again!!
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I thought it must be something like that, as it was to good a post to delete on purpose.
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"My question is: How do we exercise that RIGHT and indeed OBLIGATION without becoming a criminal. Say for instance you started a militia, and declared war on elected officials, and I mean going on national T.V. and announcing it. "We declare war on congress for eroding our civil liberties, for spitting on the constitution, and spending the country into bankruptcy, AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE."
The answer is simple, WIN. That's the only thing that kept the Founding Fathers from being hung for treason.
What is the deal, there was another post by JC2153 between M58's and this one, but it would not quote and when I posted this it was gone ???
The rest is this. What would happen to you is that you would be slapped in irons and marched through the streets as a "domestic terrorist". What this says about us is that we have become so afraid of our government that we will not act against it.
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"My question is: How do we exercise that RIGHT and indeed OBLIGATION without becoming a criminal. Say for instance you started a militia, and declared war on elected officials, and I mean going on national T.V. and announcing it. "We declare war on congress for eroding our civil liberties, for spitting on the constitution, and spending the country into bankruptcy, AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE."
The answer is simple, WIN. That's the only thing that kept the Founding Fathers from being hung for treason.
The rest is this. What would happen to you is that you would be slapped in irons and marched through the streets as a "domestic terrorist". What this says about us is that we have become so afraid of our government that we will not act against it.
We're frogs in a pot :'( The heat has been on high for several decades, and most not only don't care but actually think it is both right and within the "meaning" of the Constitution :'(
It is not just the Second Amendment either. It is legal to kill babies for convenience; strip clubs and "gentleman's" magazines are protected by the First Amendment, but Christianity is something to be protected from rather than available; Freedom to protest is ok as long as you get a permit three months in advance and all the authorities agree with your request; Your private property is yours to use and enjoy unless someone decides the public could enjoy it more if they had access, so you are forced to give an easement (if your lucky) but at least you still get to pay taxes on it; As a member of the local community you MUST fund your public school, whether you use it or not, and someone else dictates what you can and cannot teach; ...
We are sitting in a simmering pot looking for a cold beer while pots all around us have become "frog stew" and are still being stirred by the mindless privileged frog crew.
A new question - At what point are we willing to lay it on the line ... like our Founding Fathers did?
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We're frogs in a pot :'( The heat has been on high for several decades, and most not only don't care but actually think it is both right and within the "meaning" of the Constitution :'(
It is not just the Second Amendment either. It is legal to kill babies for convienence; strip clubs and "gentleman's" magazines are protected by the First Amendment, but Christianity is something to be protected from rather than available; Freedom to protest is ok as long as you get a permit three months in advance and all the authorities agree with your request; Your private property is your's to use and enjoy unless someone decides the public could enjoy it more if they had access, so you are forced to give an easement (if your lucky) but at least you still get to pay taxes on it; As a member of the local community you MUST fund your public school, Public Indoctrination Center, whether you use it or not, and someone else dictates what you can and cannot teach; ...
We are sitting in a simmering pot looking for a cold beer while pots all around us have become "frog stew" and are still being stirred by the mindless privileged frog crew.
A new question - At what point are we willing to lay it on the line ... like our Founding Fathers did?
There fixed it. ;D
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Or farting......hard to tell most of the time.
That's because she's had her face lifted so many times that she is literally talking out of her ass. ;D
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That's because she's had her face lifted so many times that she is literally talking out of her ass. ;D
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That's because she's had her face lifted so many times that she is literally talking out of her ass. ;D
Can I steal this line to use elsewhere?
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She's a dirty pirate hooker.
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She's a dirty pirate hooker.
OH HELL NO...... even pirates have standards............. dammit. ;D
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OH HELL NO...... even pirates have standards............. dammit. ;D
You beat me to it peg. I thought I was going to have to defend your honor.
FQ13
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We're frogs in a pot :'( The heat has been on high for several decades, and most not only don't care but actually think it is both right and within the "meaning" of the Constitution :'(
It is not just the Second Amendment either. It is legal to kill babies for convienence; strip clubs and "gentleman's" magazines are protected by the First Amendment, but Christianity is something to be protected from rather than available; Freedom to protest is ok as long as you get a permit three months in advance and all the authorities agree with your request; Your private property is your's to use and enjoy unless someone decides the public could enjoy it more if they had access, so you are forced to give an easement (if your lucky) but at least you still get to pay taxes on it; As a member of the local community you MUST fund your public school, whether you use it or not, and someone else dictates what you can and cannot teach; ...
We are sitting in a simmering pot looking for a cold beer while pots all around us have become "frog stew" and are still being stirred by the mindless privileged frog crew.
A new question - At what point are we willing to lay it on the line ... like our Founding Fathers did?
When the sheep start getting their necks stepped on, gun butts in the teeth and they cease to be a hindrance to common sense....i.e., get an education and a distaste for having been lazy and stupid and no longer have a taste for supporting fascists. Win the hearts and minds....
Not to say spontaneous social combustion will not be exploited, but that's still a wait and see. Otherwise a brave person's sacrifice may be seen as the "crazy uncle" and dismissed. Delicate thing...the largest portion of common sense supporting LEO and military personnel would be early into this takeover we're seeing....wait too long and they'll be replaced or changed to the jack booted thugs we heard of in the 90's that offended daddy bush so much.
I honestly think as a nation we'll probably just roll over like England and Austrailia. A lack of necessities, food, water, etc. would make a population desparate and if as a nation we're not desperate I don't think there will be too much more than talk.
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OH HELL NO...... even pirates have standards............. dammit. ;D
So do some hookers! Not that I have any first hand knowledge of the subject, nope, none!
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When the sheep start getting their necks stepped on, gun butts in the teeth and they cease to be a hindrance to common sense....i.e., get an education and a distaste for having been lazy and stupid and no longer have a taste for supporting fascists. Win the hearts and minds....
Not to say spontaneous social combustion will not be exploited, but that's still a wait and see. Otherwise a brave person's sacrifice may be seen as the "crazy uncle" and dismissed. Delicate thing...the largest portion of common sense supporting LEO and military personnel would be early into this takeover we're seeing....wait too long and they'll be replaced or changed to the jack booted thugs we heard of in the 90's that offended daddy bush so much.
I honestly think as a nation we'll probably just roll over like England and Austrailia. A lack of necessities, food, water, etc. would make a population desparate and if as a nation we're not desperate I don't think there will be too much more than talk.
This is where I think that I have to disagree with you. America is alone in the fact that most people still believe in individualism, and self sufficiancy. And I think that most of us are not going to sit quietly and let the federal government take us down the tubes. I think that LEGAL immigrants are going to lead the charge on this. After all they came here to escape this sort of nonsense and tyranny.
Of course I admit that where I live isolation and self sufficancy is just a way of life, and those of you that live in larger cities will probably tell me that I'm out of my tree...but there you have it.
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This is where I think that I have to disagree with you. America is alone in the fact that most people still believe in individualism, and self sufficiancy. And I think that most of us are not going to sit quietly and let the federal government take us down the tubes. I think that LEGAL immigrants are going to lead the charge on this. After all they came here to escape this sort of nonsense and tyranny.
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I certainly hope you are right. I think fewer people are indidualistic...as evidenced by the absolute abomination we have for a President and Speaker of the House....they were elected. As far as the immigrants, I am absolutely certain they will not say anything. They escaped a bad situation and were well educated in saying nothing and avoiding eye contact--mostly they came over sheep to the core. I think the neighborhoods in Texas and other southern border states are an example of a lack of will to say anything that would make you stand out. The only immigrants talking...are the one's who are tied to the violent gangs or who are under an umbrella of a leader calling for some movement...such as letting all foreigners in and making them instant citizens.
In Wyoming...dang straight. I grew up in Louisiana...not so individualistic in places like New Orleans. Consider who elects the idiot Mayors....socialistic, hands out sheep, that's who. The only way to get them out of the box is to cut off their goodies and I'll tell you after 50 plus years here on earth the politicians don't forget that part. The first places in communities (even here in Tulsa) that get their services back, like electricity and water after a problem, are the areas populated by welfare recipients. We were sold out a long time ago and have been diluted with sheep who have no business being here and by the violent gangs we arent' being protected from.
At first it was slick talking, lying good old boys laughing at the other one's in the same club by getting elected when the other's didn't....and the water temperature rose. Then they were overtaken by the idealistic believers of "Great Society" socialism....and the water temperature rose. Now we have flaming radicals and the temperature is rising once again.....to a boil.
I hate this, but it looks like game over for America to me. The police and National Guard picked up guns in New Orleans and not a shot was fired....pretty telling. If elements of the military don't start a revolt I don't see any real changes. Perhaps a Kosovo type thing if the food and energy comes into short supply. We have diversity and selfishness now.
Not like the part of the country from where you hail, so I understand your optimism. If it weren't so cold I'd move towards you good people, but I'm planning on hunkering down and finishing my generation out where I can quietly live in a rural area with a 2 season garden and be ready to help feed my children's future families. Looking at generations passing, mine was the first "lost" generation and it got worse after that not to mention the hard-working rabble that don't have a the tie to our heritage. I've always been on the right and have gained ground lost in the 70's craziness and have educated my children and instituted American values in them....there will be another side of this thing, just probably not in my lifetime.
Ya'll have been way up there out-of-the action. I saw the same kind of thing here in Tulsa 12 years ago. I have observed that we are far further down the road than I think you believe. I envy you.
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Well said Rastus!! +100
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Personally I think the urban areas of America will sheepishly go miserably socialist while the Rural and wilderness areas will contain bands of us outlaws who will be hunted and killed by the Govt. just like the Ukrainian partisans after WW II.
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Personally I think the urban areas of America will sheepishly go miserably socialist while the Rural and wilderness areas will contain bands of us outlaws who will be hunted and killed by the Govt. just like the Ukrainian partisans after WW II.
A viable scenario. Far more likely than throwing the bums out. History repeated perhaps?
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I certainly hope you are right. I think fewer people are indidualistic...as evidenced by the absolute abomination we have for a President and Speaker of the House....they were elected. As far as the immigrants, I am absolutely certain they will not say anything. They escaped a bad situation and were well educated in saying nothing and avoiding eye contact--mostly they came over sheep to the core. I think the neighborhoods in Texas and other southern border states are an example of a lack of will to say anything that would make you stand out. The only immigrants talking...are the one's who are tied to the violent gangs or who are under an umbrella of a leader calling for some movement...such as letting all foreigners in and making them instant citizens.
In Wyoming...dang straight. I grew up in Louisiana...not so individualistic in places like New Orleans. Consider who elects the idiot Mayors....socialistic, hands out sheep, that's who. The only way to get them out of the box is to cut off their goodies and I'll tell you after 50 plus years here on earth the politicians don't forget that part. The first places in communities (even here in Tulsa) that get their services back, like electricity and water after a problem, are the areas populated by welfare recipients. We were sold out a long time ago and have been diluted with sheep who have no business being here and by the violent gangs we arent' being protected from.
At first it was slick talking, lying good old boys laughing at the other one's in the same club by getting elected when the other's didn't....and the water temperature rose. Then they were overtaken by the idealistic believers of "Great Society" socialism....and the water temperature rose. Now we have flaming radicals and the temperature is rising once again.....to a boil.
I hate this, but it looks like game over for America to me. The police and National Guard picked up guns in New Orleans and not a shot was fired....pretty telling. If elements of the military don't start a revolt I don't see any real changes. Perhaps a Kosovo type thing if the food and energy comes into short supply. We have diversity and selfishness now.
Not like the part of the country from where you hail, so I understand your optimism. If it weren't so cold I'd move towards you good people, but I'm planning on hunkering down and finishing my generation out where I can quietly live in a rural area with a 2 season garden and be ready to help feed my children's future families. Looking at generations passing, mine was the first "lost" generation and it got worse after that not to mention the hard-working rabble that don't have a the tie to our heritage. I've always been on the right and have gained ground lost in the 70's craziness and have educated my children and instituted American values in them....there will be another side of this thing, just probably not in my lifetime.
Ya'll have been way up there out-of-the action. I saw the same kind of thing here in Tulsa 12 years ago. I have observed that we are far further down the road than I think you believe. I envy you.
I am right with you there, I look around at my generation and I am embaressed. All these idiots walking around looking like they fell face first into a tackle box, with rainbow colored hair and dressed all in black. And the first thing they always say is that they are not trying to be different!!!!! It scares the hell out of me to think that my generation may someday run the country. (provided it's still here) The reason I am in such fear is that this IS the entitlement generation. Most of these people grew up having everything handed to them.
Now the baby boomers are partially to blame for this. They vowed that they wouldn't treat their kids the way they were treated. (You know hard work, earn what you have, personal responsablility ) And many of them WENT THROUGH WITH IT! They gave their kids everything they wanted, to make them happy, and so that they wouldn't have to be a parent.
Now not to make this a blanket statement, I know my parents put me through the school of hard knocks, and looking back on it now, I think showed incredible restraint. ;D But while I tout individualism, in terms of self reliance and personal responsability, the "me first" mentality in this country is most likely what will destroy us. :'(
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..... They vowed that they wouldn't treat their kids the way they were treated. (You know hard work, earn what you have, personal responsablility ) And many of them WENT THROUGH WITH IT! They gave their kids everything they wanted, to make them happy, and so that they wouldn't have to be a parent.
Now not to make this a blanket statement, I know my parents put me through the school of hard knocks, and looking back on it now, I think showed incredible restraint. ;D But while I tout individualism, in terms of self reliance and personal responsability, the "me first" mentality in this country is most likely what will destroy us. :'(
Quite right. I hope that I made/make the grade with my children who are now poised to begin on their own over the next few years.
The me first mentatility may be an agent that can help to turn us to a positive light if sacrifice is thrust upon us in the form of a collapse of services we have taken for granted. Food, energy...all extremely scarce and at a subsistence level long enough to cause a permanent change in beliefs and character. My obervation, for what it is worth, it takes 6 months of hard work to change an attitude or belief for someone who got things easy...observed working offshore platforms. Desperation put a lot of people out there...if they made the first 4 to 6 weeks (2 or 3 trips) then they could be led to a turning poing....so long as Daddy did not bail them out....
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Quite right. I hope that I made/make the grade with my children who are now poised to begin on their own over the next few years.
The me first mentatility may be an agent that can help to turn us to a positive light if sacrifice is thrust upon us in the form of a collapse of services we have taken for granted. Food, energy...all extremely scarce and at a subsistence level long enough to cause a permanent change in beliefs and character. My obervation, for what it is worth, it takes 6 months of hard work to change an attitude or belief for someone who got things easy...observed working offshore platforms. Desperation put a lot of people out there...if they made the first 4 to 6 weeks (2 or 3 trips) then they could be led to a turning poing....so long as Daddy did not bail them out....
I wouldn't worry too much. Sounds like you instilled some value in your kids, and taught them to have value in themselves. I just hope that my generation turns out to be smarter than they act, and maybe has the guts to exercise some common sense. :-\
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Why is it that the more time I spend on here, the more I like the people on here and the more frightened I am for my beloved country. If my total logged time gets to about a month, I'm sure that I will be a full blown survivalist. :o One without a clue I'm sure. ::)
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Why is it that the more time I spend on here, the more I like the people on here and the more frightened I am for my beloved country. If my total logged time gets to about a month, I'm sure that I will be a full blown survivalist. :o One without a clue I'm sure. ::)
That's why we have the preparedness podcast, survivalblog.com, survival podcast and others so we can start to get a clue.