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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on April 11, 2009, 10:17:04 AM
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In a dangerous world, with our nation reeling from silly loan practices that the holier-than-thou Dems wanted, we have buffoons in the White House and Congress.
The left-wingers running our nation are, according to various news accounts, worried about stirring up the pirates/terrorists. Gee, roll over and say please don't hurt me any more....
The sheep deserve what they get....the rest of us have to suffer with them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/10/AR2009041003734.html? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/10/AR2009041003734.html?)
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The answer is so simple.
A) Every American flag ship goes armed.
B) Every time an American vessel or American sailors are attacked, successful or not, we blow up something Somalian. A terrorist training camp, a Somalian vessel, anything that has the remotest connection with the pirates. And this should be done immediately, within 24 hours of an attack.
After a couple of these object lessons ALL pirates will steer clear of our vessels and only attack vessels other nations.
But, do our leaders have the fortitude to do this? No.
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NUKE MECCA
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NUKE MECCA
Maybe not a bad idea...sort of like Mutually Assured Destruction.
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Maybe not a bad idea...sort of like Mutually Assured Destruction.
Not a bad idea? How exactly does mutually assured destruction work with a culture that spawns suicide bombers by the boatload? I, for one, would prefer not to be in a thousand year war with Islam as there are one billion of them, and Osama's wildest fantasy is to convert them all into jihadis. Lets not assist in that effort.
FQ13
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Actually, there are nearly 1.7 billion of them.......
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Maybe not a bad idea...sort of like Mutually Assured Destruction.
Bring it to a head - better now than in 5, 10, 20 years when they are even stronger. There may be more mooslims than Christians in the world, but not here in the US - and the mooslims still stand out here. I say bring it to a head - now.
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But, do our leaders have the fortitude balls and common sense to do this? No.
I fixed it for you. ;)
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Bring it to a head - better now than in 5, 10, 20 years when they are even stronger. There may be more mooslims than Christians in the world, but not here in the US - and the mooslims still stand out here. I say bring it to a head - now.
The Romans seemed to think the same way about Christians, see how well that worked. The fact is that with the exception of a couple minor little dust ups, the original Jihad that led the Caliphate of Baghdad to the very gates of Paris and led to Spain being colonized for a few hundred years, and the crusades where we indiscrimantly slaughtered God knows how many so rich folks could visit a manger, we've had fairly peacable relations with the muslim world. We coud do so again once the present unpleasantness is over, so long as we make it clear that we won't tell them how to live (however distasteful we find shari'a) if they understand they better do the same or face the consequences.
FQ13
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FQ,
The only reason we didn't hear from them was they were busy in there own shit holes. Then when they got uppity again Tommy Jefferson cleaned house and showed 'em who not to mess with.
Will we ever be rid of them? No, I don't think so. Can we live peaceably with them? Again no, I don't think so (their fault, not ours).
The best we can do is 'knock 'em back' every so often and remain on guard. Right NOW is a good 'knock 'em back' time.
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The Romans seemed to think the same way about Christians, see how well that worked. The fact is that with the exception of a couple minor little dust ups, the original Jihad that led the Caliphate of Baghdad to the very gates of Paris and led to Spain being colonized for a few hundred years, and the crusades where we indiscrimantly slaughtered God knows how many so rich folks could visit a manger, we've had fairly peacable relations with the muslim world. We coud do so again once the present unpleasantness is over, so long as we make it clear that we won't tell them how to live (however distasteful we find shari'a) if they understand they better do the same or face the consequences.
FQ13
Only because we kicked the crap out of them in the war against the Barbary pirates.
I will point out that WE did not start hijacking planes from Muslim countries in the 60's, WE did not murder THEIR citizens for being Pro Nazi, or Pro Soviet, and the World Trade Center (attacked TWICE ) was not in Arab lands.
Your grasp of medieval history is not very good either. What connection is there between Christian Pilgrims traveling to Jerusalem, and the massacre of Coptic Christians that occurred when the Islamic hordes conquered North Africa.
If Muslim aggression against the west was in response to the Crusades, (an idiotic proposition that ignores historical fact)
Why did that aggression not end with the fall of the last Crusader Kingdoms at Acre in 1302, but instead continued over 380 more years until the last Battle of Vienna in 1683.
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Wrong leadership for that HAZ.
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Wrong leadership for that HAZ.
Wrong leadership for ANYTHING that involves "courage" or "integrity". :(
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Only because we kicked the crap out of them in the war against the Barbary pirates.
I will point out that WE did not start hijacking planes from Muslim countries in the 60's, WE did not murder THEIR citizens for being Pro Nazi, or Pro Soviet, and the World Trade Center (attacked TWICE ) was not in Arab lands.
Your grasp of medieval history is not very good either. What connection is there between Christian Pilgrims traveling to Jerusalem, and the massacre of Coptic Christians that occurred when the Islamic hordes conquered North Africa.
If Muslim aggression against the west was in response to the Crusades, (an idiotic proposition that ignores historical fact)
Why did that aggression not end with the fall of the last Crusader Kingdoms at Acre in 1302, but instead continued over 380 more years until the last Battle of Vienna in 1683.
I'm not arguing that the Crusades started it. As I made clear, the muslims invaded Europe three hundred years before the Crusades (a fact they seem to elide when they call us crusaders, as though they didn't start the whole holy war thing). What I am saying is that most muslims are about as on board with the jihadis as most Christians are with the religious right. They, like us,just want to get on with their lives and leave politics to those with way too much leisure time. We need to keep it that way and not engage in stupidly provcative acts that will forever change the balance.
This holds true for the pirates. They aren't in this sense any more muslim than the mob is Catholic. They are businessmen engaged in a criminal enterprise that is seen as such by the majority of the muslim world. Yes the average Arab might enjoy seeing us humiliated, but that doesn't mean they see these guys as heroes or think they are in it for anything but the money. This is the point we must bear in mind. The majority of the muslim world didn't have a problem with our invasion of Afghanistan, thinking the Taliban had brought it on themselves. What we need to do is make it clear to the pirates that we won't tolerate this and that there are healthier ways of making a living. I've repeatdly argued for arming the ships, and if that won't fly for legal reasons, I bet it would be a lot cheaper to put a squad of US Marines on every US flagged vessel in those waters than maintaing our current armada. It would also be a hell of lot more effective as well since there is no way we'd be in this mess if a half dozen jar heads had been on that boat to begin with. The point is we are dealing with a nuisance, there is no need to turn it into a holy war. Just ensure that pirates know that every US flagged vesel is a no go, and hope other nations follow suit. We should even put our guys on foreign ships, if they pay the cost. Problem solved, crisis averted.
FQ13
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I would think gun owners, of all people, would understand the concept of a few people ruining it for everyone.
OK, so there are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. How many of them have every killed anyone, in a terrorist incident or otherwise? About as many Christians that have killed someone perhaps?
Just because Christians kill in large numbers with airplanes and tanks instead of whatever they can scrounge up at the local army surplus store does not make it any better.
The US might use the claim that "it's at war" to defend those actions, but the other side will make the same claim. That's the problem with anyone who says "you're either with us or against us", because both sides are claiming the same thing! Now, the fact that we at least try to focus those efforts on the people we are at war against it at least a start. The stuff going on in Iraq (with what Muslims are doing to each other) right now is closer to something out of The Godfather than anything war related. Think of the US Marines as the police, and it's not a stretch.
If someone else invaded the US, how do you think you would respond? It would have nothing to do with their religion or yours, it would have to do with you wanting these people out of your country. If someone was over here trying to install Sharia as a way of life, we'd be ticked too. Just because the US says they are making it a "better" place does not mean the people living there are any better off.
I tell you what, as soon as you're done collecting every gun from every gun owner in the US because they are all criminal lunatics, then you can start working on people in other cultures.
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PSJ,
I'm not much of a typist so I'll let TomBogan fix your myopic view of the Muslim religion cult.
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PSJ,
I'm not much of a typist so I'll let TomBogan fix your myopic view of the Muslim religion cult.
NEWSFLASH: they think the same thing about us.
Does that make one group right? If both groups get what they want, you have two dead civilizations, with billions of people who didn't really care caught in the middle.
The first step in any kind of progress is being able to tolerate (read: stop killing) each other.
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Gee, sorry. Mooselimbs are SOOOOOOOOOOOO exactly the same as us. My bad. ::)
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Gee, sorry. Mooselimbs are SOOOOOOOOOOOO exactly the same as us. My bad. ::)
I bet if you got a bunch of them in a room and actually TALKED to them, you may find more in common than you think.
They want to feed their family, enjoy life, play some sports/games with their friends, and worship their God. They also don't like people who don't speak their language and have different beliefs from their own.
This is different from us how?
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I would think gun owners, of all people, would understand the concept of a few people ruining it for everyone.
OK, so there are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. How many of them have every killed anyone, in a terrorist incident or otherwise? About as many Christians that have killed someone perhaps?
Just because Christians kill in large numbers with airplanes and tanks instead of whatever they can scrounge up at the local army surplus store does not make it any better.
The US might use the claim that "it's at war" to defend those actions, but the other side will make the same claim. That's the problem with anyone who says "you're either with us or against us", because both sides are claiming the same thing! Now, the fact that we at least try to focus those efforts on the people we are at war against it at least a start. The stuff going on in Iraq (with what Muslims are doing to each other) right now is closer to something out of The Godfather than anything war related. Think of the US Marines as the police, and it's not a stretch.
If someone else invaded the US, how do you think you would respond? It would have nothing to do with their religion or yours, it would have to do with you wanting these people out of your country. If someone was over here trying to install Sharia as a way of life, we'd be ticked too. Just because the US says they are making it a "better" place does not mean the people living there are any better off.
I tell you what, as soon as you're done collecting every gun from every gun owner in the US because they are all criminal lunatics, then you can start working on people in other cultures.
I agree (mostly) with your view. Live and let live. If the other side breaks the rules, then the game changes as it did in Afghanistan. I've said it before on this board and I'll say it again, I am a dyed in the wool feminist and the way these people treat women who simply want equality sickens me. They treat half their population as slaves and under the taliban and the Saudis sentence them to a life time of house arrest unless their owner (husband father etc) chooses to put them on a leash and take them for a walk. However, there are limits to power, and the quickest way way to lose it is to exceed those limits. The women of the muslim world will have to fix it on their own, the same way the women of the christian world did. We can't go to war with every bad guy out there or we will burn ourselves out in a generation. Its one thing to dissaprove of someone else's culture, its quite a different thing to invade them "for their own good" (socialist much?). All we need is detante, not alliance, not a love in, just a stable, pragmatic, mutually beneficial peace. The peace must necessarily be an armed one, as everyone on this board knows. However, the price you pay for being able to live the way want is to allow others to do the same.
FQ13 who firmly believes that good fences and adequate fire power makes good neighbors
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I bet if you got a bunch of them in a room and actually TALKED to them, you may find more in common than you think.
They want to feed their family, enjoy life, play some sports/games with their friends, and worship their God. They also don't like people who don't speak their language and have different beliefs from their own.
This is different from us how?
I've never seen a Baptist drive a truck load of C4 into a building simply because someone didn't share their religion.
That's the main difference.
And while it may be true that most Muslims are 'peaceable' in one sense, one mantra of their religion, is "make the world Muslim".
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However, the price you pay for being able to live the way want is to allow others to do the same.
Wow, I've just got to quote that again for emphasis.
Of course, your opening statement "If the other side breaks the rules, then the game changes" applies too.
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I bet if you got a bunch of them in a room and actually TALKED to them, you may find more in common than you think.
They want to feed their family, enjoy life, play some sports/games with their friends, and worship their God. They also don't like people who don't speak their language and have different beliefs from their own.
This is different from us how?
Damn straight! I have taught many Palestinian students. They don't hate the jews for being jews they just hate the occupation and the two systems of law, one for Israelis and another for Palestinains. No different than you or I would feel in their shoes. I have serious theological/philoshical/political issues with Islam, the same way they do with Christianity. Who knows who's right? That's why we call it faith. There is no empirical proof. The best we can do is figure out how to live with each other because the only alternative is genocide and anyone who thinks that's a good idea should bone up on the history of the wars of religion in Europe.
FQ13
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I've never seen a Baptist drive a truck load of C4 into a building simply because someone didn't share their religion.
That's the main difference.
And while it may be true that most Muslims are 'peaceable' in one sense, one mantra of their religion, is "make the world Muslim".
You might be right about that.I guess McVey doesn't count because he bombed a government building? Going back to my earlier question, if there were Saudi or Iraqi troops living in the US, do you think anyone here would attack them? Or would we just be good Christians and let them be?
Christianity also teaches that anyone who's not one of us is going to hell and it's a Christian's responsibility to convert and save them.
I don't remember the last time a Muslim invaded most of Europe, allied themselves with the Japanese, and started a World War while killing millions of civilians in camps. That was all Christian. Oh, wait, now that I think about it, I do remember something like that... a Christian just did it more recently and added the camp idea.
If I'm not mistaken, the people who landed in the US and slaughtered the indigenous people were Christian ("seeking religious freedom" as the classic story goes).
Right now, the Muslim extremist groups are killing more Iraqis than they are Americans. Their actions are closer to LA Gangs shooting up a neighborhood. Yeah, they don't want the US there. They also have their own internal beefs to settle.
If you want to blame other religions for past atrocities, you've got to remember that it goes both ways. There isn't a religion out there that doesn't have members who have done heinous things in its name. Sometimes the leaders of that religion were even involved. I guess we could say the same things about countries. People from a country can do something horrible just as well as the government can, whether they were working together or not.
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FQ, PSJ,
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Islam is NOT like us. Period! Look up CAIR and their stated goals, look up how they treat all other religions.
And don't even get me started on 'Palestine!" NO SUCH COUNTRY, never was. If they just want peace then they can go live in other muslim countries, OH WAIT no they can't because Egypt, Syria, et al WILL NOT TAKE THEM IN! Why? Cause they WANT to wipe out Israel, and to do that they need to keep the pot stirred!
STOP being so naive!
Sorry, guys but I am ALL OUT of patience on this subject!
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Look up CAIR and their stated goals, look up how they treat all other religions
Look up KKK and their stated goals, look up how they treat all other religions
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Apples and oranges.
Yer talking about a fringe group. They will always exist. Weather underground, SLA, Black Panthers, etc.
CAIR is a mainstream organization, supported by the MAJORITY of mooselimbs. Just a front for radical Islam wich, IS the majority.
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I don't remember the last time a Muslim invaded most of Europe, allied themselves with the Japanese, and started a World War while killing millions of civilians in camps. That was all Christian. Oh, wait, now that I think about it, I do remember something like that... a Christian just did it more recently and added the camp idea.
No, the mooslims lived in Europe, allied themselves with Adolf (and indirectly the Japanese), formed a number of SS (not Wehrmacht, but SS) regiments, and in general comported themselves as the gentle peace loving mooslims we have all come to know and love. And they did it in part because Hitler agreed to rid the middle east of Jews when he was done with Europe - that was the deal with the Caliph of Baghdad at the time. Too bad it was so long before the so-called "occupation" FQ referred to as the (current excuse) cause for the Palestinian hatred of the Jews.
PS: Palestine was the name bestowed by the Romans on a subjugated (i.e., slave) province headed by a puppet, much like Quisling in Norway (since we're on a Nazi kick here).
PSIJ & FQ are 2 of the biggest moral equivalists I have run across in a long time - "they just want to be left alone" my fat white hairy ass. You two have drunk deep of the tainted kool aid. And you do not know your history, so we may find them at the gates of Vienna (being metaphorical here) yet again soon.
Nor do you listen to them today - their stated goal is a world caliphate - and that means us and our descendants as mooslims.
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Apples and oranges.
Yer talking about a fringe group. They will always exist. Weather underground, SLA, Black Panthers, etc.
CAIR is a mainstream organization, supported by the MAJORITY of mooselimbs. Just a front for radical Islam wich, IS the majority.
You say the KKK is a fringe group. I say Radical Islam is a fringe group.
What makes you say that radical Islam is the majority?
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You might be right about that.I guess McVey doesn't count because he bombed a government building? Going back to my earlier question, if there were Saudi or Iraqi troops living in the US, do you think anyone here would attack them? Or would we just be good Christians and let them be?Christianity also teaches that anyone who's not one of us is going to hell and it's a Christian's responsibility to convert and save them.I don't remember the last time a Muslim invaded most of Europe, allied themselves with the Japanese, and started a World War while killing millions of civilians in camps. That was all Christian. Oh, wait, now that I think about it, I do remember something like that... a Christian just did it more recently and added the camp idea.If I'm not mistaken, the people who landed in the US and slaughtered the indigenous people were Christian ("seeking religious freedom" as the classic story goes).Right now, the Muslim extremist groups are killing more Iraqis than they are Americans. Their actions are closer to LA Gangs shooting up a neighborhood. Yeah, they don't want the US there. They also have their own internal beefs to settle.If you want to blame other religions for past atrocities, you've got to remember that it goes both ways. There isn't a religion out there that doesn't have members who have done heinous things in its name. Sometimes the leaders of that religion were even involved. I guess we could say the same things about countries. People from a country can do something horrible just as well as the government can, whether they were working together or not.
Mcvey didn't stay in the truck as it detonated...
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No, the mooslims lived in Europe,....
My point was just that both religions have done horrible things. I wasn't trying to say anything beyond that.
Nor do you listen to them today - their stated goal is a world caliphate - and that means us and our descendants as mooslims.
How is that different from Christianity? Or Judiasm? Or Democrats?
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Let me make sure I understand. Your solution to dealing with the Muslim world is:
Quick, kill them all!
I hate to break it to you, but that's what most of America expects gun owners to think. "Shoot first, worry about longer term effects later".
Maybe they're not as wrong about you as you like to claim.
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You might be right about that.I guess McVey doesn't count because he bombed a government building? Going back to my earlier question, if there were Saudi or Iraqi troops living in the US, do you think anyone here would attack them? Or would we just be good Christians and let them be?
Christianity also teaches that anyone who's not one of us is going to hell and it's a Christian's responsibility to convert and save them.
I don't remember the last time a Muslim invaded most of Europe, allied themselves with the Japanese, and started a World War while killing millions of civilians in camps. That was all Christian. Oh, wait, now that I think about it, I do remember something like that... a Christian just did it more recently and added the camp idea.
If I'm not mistaken, the people who landed in the US and slaughtered the indigenous people were Christian ("seeking religious freedom" as the classic story goes).
Right now, the Muslim extremist groups are killing more Iraqis than they are Americans. Their actions are closer to LA Gangs shooting up a neighborhood. Yeah, they don't want the US there. They also have their own internal beefs to settle.
If you want to blame other religions for past atrocities, you've got to remember that it goes both ways. There isn't a religion out there that doesn't have members who have done heinous things in its name. Sometimes the leaders of that religion were even involved. I guess we could say the same things about countries. People from a country can do something horrible just as well as the government can, whether they were working together or not.
McVeigh didn't have the backing of a particular religion.
Being a "_________ " (insert Christian Faith of your choice) and doing something bad doesn't mean that the church is in support of what you did.
The bastards that flew four planes into three buildings and a field were praised by Muslims around the world. And yes, before you say it, they were denounced by some also.
I'm not disputing that over the past 1500 years, many of the things that were done in the name of Christianity were reprehensible, but one BIG difference between the Christian and Muslim religions, is that Christianity seems to have learned at least a little from its mistakes of the past.
You can't blame the Holocaust on Christianity. Hitler was a lunatic with an agenda. He was not acting on behalf of or with the support of an 'organized religion'. Hitler was acting on behalf of Hitler.
I guess to me, and this is just my opinion, the BIG difference is that Christians as a 'whole religion' have evolved somewhat in that we don't sanction terrorist acts as a whole.
The Muslim religion is still basically living and acting as they did a 1000 years ago.
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You say the KKK is a fringe group. I say Radical Islam is a fringe group.
What makes you say that radical Islam is the majority?
The outrage I have heard from the mooselimbs about the actions of the radicals.
In case you don't understand, here is the sound of that outrage ****Crickets****
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FQ, PSJ,
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Islam is NOT like us. Period! Look up CAIR and their stated goals, look up how they treat all other religions.
And don't even get me started on 'Palestine!" NO SUCH COUNTRY, never was. If they just want peace then they can go live in other muslim countries, OH WAIT no they can't because Egypt, Syria, et al WILL NOT TAKE THEM IN! Why? Cause they WANT to wipe out Israel, and to do that they need to keep the pot stirred!
STOP being so naive!
Sorry, guys but I am ALL OUT of patience on this subject!
Haz
First of all, "mooselimbs"? What are you, five? You're better than that and I know you're teaching your son better. As my great grandaddy used to say, "There may be a time when you need to kill a man, but there's never a reason to be rude to him". Wise words.
Secondly, as far as Palestine never being a state the Brits (let alone the Indians) could say the same about us. This callous dismisal of Palestinian rights (not from you but others) has long pissed me off. I have been friends with Palestinians in college and taught many since. A few years back I had a Palestinian student come to my office on the first day of class to dicuss her senior thesis. She broke down in tears and actually started hitting me because I hadn't answered her emails over the summer. (The reason being I blocked my work account, figuring break meant break, so I could work on my dissertation). She lived in Ramallah and the whole town had been under curfew for four months and she could only leave the house for 2hrs once a week lest she be kiled (or worse, and yes there are thugs in uniform in every army) by Israeli soldiers. She had to get an escort from the US embassy, because she had a green card, to get back to school. School work was the only thing keeping her sane.She is a Marianite Christian. Are you going to be able to look me, or yourself, in the eye and say you wouldn't pick up a gun under those circumstances?
Don't tell me you're sick of it Haz, because I am also sick of subsidizing this BS with my tax dollars. Yes, Israel is an ally. Yes I believe the jews have a right to their own state. Yes, I believe we have some debts to pay from the US St. Louis and other acts of passive complicity with the Nazi's. Yes, if I were forced to live in the middle east, Israel would be my first choice.BUT, to simply condemn "mooselimb" extremism and not also condemn the jewish extremism displayed by the settelers who claim land that was never theirs because "God said so" seems a bit hypocritical.
The bottom line is that muslims are people JUST LIKE US. They just have a different faith. What do you think the odds would be of you becoming a Christian if you had born in Saudi Arabia? If you think they're good I'll have you buy me a lotto ticket. Yet you would be the same guy you are now, just with a different world view. We are shaped by our culture and experiences, not our birth. This is why viewing people as alien and other just because of their faith is self defeating. Experience with folks who deride you makes you hostile (cf the posts on the ABC gun thread) having them take you seriously changes that and builds trust. I'm not a pacifist or I wouldn't be on this board. I have a .357 in my pocket as I type this. I just believe that there are a lot more things that unite us than there are that divide us and that ignoring that basic fact will create enemies that you don't need to make.
Fightingquaker13
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I bet if you got a bunch of them in a room and actually TALKED to them, you may find more in common than you think.
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............ Live and let live. If the other side breaks the rules,............ I've said it before on this board and I'll say it again, I am a dyed in the wool feminist and the way these people treat women who simply want equality sickens me. ............. All we need is detante, not alliance, not a love in, just a stable, pragmatic, mutually beneficial peace. ..........
I work in the oil and gas business...I've been talking to them for 25+ years. Just because someone has been in a position of authority over some of them doesn't mean they respect or like you....it's a cultural thing. They respond to authority.....strength and force...that's how Sadaam was in power and had a peaceable society and that's how Col. Kadaffi has a peaceable society. As soon as they believe they are on par with you so much for the respect.
If you think you can talk to them like your neighbor and reason with them you have no clue about their culture. I tire of this nonsense BS but perhaps some of my fellow citizens might get it someday and be able to save their lives or assist in saving the nation.
For instance....let's say you stop at a quick stop and send your son in for a bag of chips or something. Then some muslim slaps the dog poo out of him and you launch in to see what's going on. The muslim says he didn't slap him but you saw it. You say he's just a liar. If you think he's a liar then you don't get it. We will never be able to discuss this among ourselves and make progress when you cling to the absolute childishness of framing them in your cultural model.
You don't get their culture and you are judging the rest of us who do get it. He's not lying in his culture...you are less than human and certainly the boy, in this example, is. In his culture, without force to protect you, you are hardly worth the effort to kill.
Love, peace, understanding and mutual respect for ideas will solve everything....if you have no problem with extinction.
I for one am not so naive as to believe that understanding and mutual respect is a solution for relations with a people who think such things are a foolish and weak-minded character flaw to be exploited.
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..............She is a Marianite Christian. .............The bottom line is that muslims are people JUST LIKE US. ..........
An impassioned plea for muslims using a Christian....that's called apples and oranges.
Not just like us.
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You people who are defending those ignorant murdering Camel f%$king, rag heads, who wipe their asses with their hand, don't know what you are babbling about. I have a suggestion, why don't you READ the Koran instead of getting your information from those "religion of Peace everything is America's fault" propaganda broadcasts on the MSM.
Jihad is one of the 5 main tenets (or pillars) of the Islamic cult (Islam translates to "submission).
Christianities dominant sects teach the "Golden Rule" do unto others as you would be done unto. Islams dominant sect (the Wahabi's) preach the "verses of the sword", the only excuse for a muslim to be friends, or associate with Christians or Jews is to lull their suspicions before KILLING THEM.
Hitler gassed the wrong race. You people should learn from the lies of the gun grabbers, do your own research before spouting this touchy feely bullshit.
Tom, Who lost friends in Beirut to the murdering motherf&$kers.
PS, FQ using a Marinite CHRISTIAN as a defense of ISLAM underscores your ignorance.
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An impassioned plea for muslims using a Christian....that's called apples and oranges.
Not just like us.
So what if she was a muslim? What the hell would that change? She should get preferential treatment as opposed to her friends and neighbors because of where she spent the sabbath? If you can't see what's wrong with that I can't help you. Seriously man, take a deep breath and repeat the words "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" or if you're more religious in nature try "God is no respecter of persons (isert nations as well)". It wil do you a world of good.
FQ13 making an impassioned plea for the soul of a Christian, how ya' like them apples?
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PSJ, People protest AGAINST the Klan, those camel humping subhumans cheered on 9-11.
FQ, What I find to be self evident is that when a group of people has been waging war on your culture for 1,000 years you should kill them their women and their children, barbaque their goats and till their fields with salt.
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PSJ, People protest AGAINST the Klan, those camel humping subhumans cheered on 9-11.
Tom
My great grandady was IN the Klan, back in the twenties when it meant something serious and scary. He joined because most folks (white folks)believed that it was a fine upstanding Chrisitian group, and it was way to get ahead in business just like joining the JC is today. Yes they they bruatalized, mutilated and burned people at the stake, but they weren't really people were they? You just have to understand the culture. Where were all the the southern Christians condeming it...crickets....Point made. I hope.
FQ13
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So what if she was a muslim? What the hell would that change? She should get preferential treatment as opposed to her friends and neighbors because of where she spent the sabbath? If you can't see what's wrong with that I can't help you. Seriously man, take a deep breath and repeat the words "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" or if you're more religious in nature try "God is no respecter of persons (isert nations as well)". It wil do you a world of good.
FQ13 making an impassioned plea for the soul of a Christian, how ya' like them apples?
HUH?? Let's see, we are talking about the difference between muslims and Christians and you ask what diff it would make if your CHRISTIAN example (used to defend muslims) was a muslim instead? If that isn't one screwed up logic circle I don't know what is!
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I have a suggestion, why don't you READ the Koran instead of getting your information from those "religion of Peace everything is America's fault" propaganda broadcasts on the MSM.
Have you read the Bible lately? It's not much better than the Koran when it comes to killing people who are different from you.
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Have you read the Bible lately? It's not much better than the Koran when it comes to killing people who are different from you.
You are a worthless, hopeless POS and I truely wish this board had an ignore function. YOU are what is wrong with this country!
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So what if she was a muslim? What the hell would that change? She should get preferential treatment as opposed to her friends and neighbors because of where she spent the sabbath? If you can't see what's wrong with that I can't help you. Seriously man, take a deep breath and repeat the words "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" or if you're more religious in nature try "God is no respecter of persons (isert nations as well)". It wil do you a world of good.
FQ13 making an impassioned plea for the soul of a Christian, how ya' like them apples?
She broke down in tears and actually started hitting me because I hadn't answered her emails over the summer.
That really helps in the argument on peace between religions when her first reaction was violence over emails.
Therein lies the rub....all men were created equal......but that doesn't mean they are regarded or treated as such by others. That's human nature.
They do not see us as equals.........I guess that's why non-Muslims are called 'infidels'.
And they do so much for womens rights too.
Do you honestly think that if the US just threw up their hands and said "That's it, we're all going home", and never set foot on any territory that is considered Muslim controlled again, that Muslim sanctioned terrorism would cease against us?
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Have you read the Bible lately? It's not much better than the Koran when it comes to killing people who are different from you.
You are a misinformed tool.
The ignorance that you flaunt is what made 9-11 possible.
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HUH?? Let's see, we are talking about the difference between muslims and Christians and you ask what diff it would make if your CHRISTIAN example (used to defend muslims) was a muslim instead? If that isn't one screwed up logic circle I don't know what is!
The point Haz, is that she was treated as a Palestinian, hence muslim. If what the Israelis did meant you could show your rosary and get a "get out of jail free card" would that make it ok? The POINT is that if you lump people thogther as a group and treat them as the enemy, as opposed to treating them as individuals, that you will be creating a self fufilling prophesy. You treat me as your enemy and I will respond in kind. If I have to choose between Pat Robertson (who I despise) and someone who treats me as though I agreed with him, and they were carrying guns and oppressing me because of it, Old Pat is going to sound a lot better by the minute. This isn't higher math folks. We are a nation of individuals (have I mentioned I might be a libertarian? ;D) The fact is that the golden "rule" is based on a lead reality which is that you treat others as they treat you. If you treat them as extremists because of which Book they read (and have I also mentioned I am not Islams number one fan) you leave them little option but to respond in kind. For god's sake read the "what will you take with you if the poop hits the fan thread" and tell me you aren't being a bit hypocritical in reards to the Palestinians
FQ13
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You are a misinformed tool.
The ignorance that you flaunt is what made 9-11 possible.
Tom....I've got to hand it to you. You've got a way with words.
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The point Haz, is that she was treated as a Palestinian, hence muslim. ...
Big deal so what....this is a revelation...that the Jews in Israel want only Jews in Israel. What a flash of brilliant insight.
Still, defending muslim's and muslim ways with a Christian by way of being mistreated by a Jew. You gotta love that logic.
Israel needs to stand tough....I'm for them.
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Tom, Haz, Rastus and others - nothing more to see here. Horrible accident, keep the victims in your prayers, and move on. No value in dwelling on what has happened, it (and they) cannot be changed.
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i use the 'Golden Rule" as an opener. Once you have shown me how you wish to be treated I will be happy to oblige. 9-11 Showed me how Muslims wished to be treated.
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Oh hey, I just stepped in some Shiite.
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Tom, Haz, Rastus and others - nothing more to see here. Horrible accident, keep the victims in your prayers, and move on. No value in dwelling on what has happened, it (and they) cannot be changed.
Yup...it's run it's course. As demonstrated here today polytheism is alive.
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Rastus,
Do us a favor and lock the thread. You can do it since you started it.
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You are a worthless, hopeless POS and I truely wish this board had an ignore function. YOU are what is wrong with this country!
Haz
You're out of line man. I know emotions run a bit hot on this board, but we're all friends here. As far as the Bible goes, Jersey boy has it right. Remember "god" telling the Irealites to slaughter all of the people of Jericho? How about the Amelekites (sic)? Same deal. Likewise Ezra ordering the slaughter of the worshippers of Baa'l and sending the army back in when they only killed the men. The good prophet wanted the male children killed as well and all the girls who weren't virgins. I don't have chapter and verse because I don't have a Bible handy but its all in there. Lets not cast stones without checking our facts.
fightingquaker13 speaking the truth in love
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Rastus,
Do us a favor and lock the thread. You can do it since you started it.
Got there too late.
They seem to forget the part where Gold is Holy & Righteous and can't tolerate sin. Also the part where he wipred out the world with the flood because of evil.