In A Dangerous World........

[PegLeg45]

I bet if you got a bunch of them in a room and actually TALKED to them, you may find more in common than you think.

They want to feed their family, enjoy life, play some sports/games with their friends, and worship their God. They also don't like people who don't speak their language and have different beliefs from their own.

This is different from us how?

I've never seen a Baptist drive a truck load of C4 into a building simply because someone didn't share their religion.
That's the main difference.

And while it may be true that most Muslims are 'peaceable' in one sense, one mantra of their religion, is "make the world Muslim".

[PoorSoulInJersey]

However, the price you pay for being able to live the way want is to allow others to do the same.

Wow, I've just got to quote that again for emphasis.

Of course, your opening statement "If the other side breaks the rules, then the game changes" applies too.

[fightingquaker13]

I bet if you got a bunch of them in a room and actually TALKED to them, you may find more in common than you think.

They want to feed their family, enjoy life, play some sports/games with their friends, and worship their God. They also don't like people who don't speak their language and have different beliefs from their own.

This is different from us how?

Damn straight! I have taught many Palestinian students. They don't hate the jews for being jews they just hate the occupation and the two systems of law, one for Israelis and another for Palestinains. No different than you or I would feel in their shoes. I have serious theological/philoshical/political issues with Islam, the same way they do with Christianity. Who knows who's right? That's why we call it faith. There is no empirical proof. The best we can do is figure out how to live with each other because the only alternative is genocide and anyone who thinks that's a good idea should bone up on the history of the wars of religion in Europe.
FQ13

[PoorSoulInJersey]

I've never seen a Baptist drive a truck load of C4 into a building simply because someone didn't share their religion.
That's the main difference.

And while it may be true that most Muslims are 'peaceable' in one sense, one mantra of their religion, is "make the world Muslim".

You might be right about that.I guess McVey doesn't count because he bombed a government building? Going back to my earlier question, if there were Saudi or Iraqi troops living in the US, do you think anyone here would attack them? Or would we just be good Christians and let them be?

Christianity also teaches that anyone who's not one of us is going to hell and it's a Christian's responsibility to convert and save them.

I don't remember the last time a Muslim invaded most of Europe, allied themselves with the Japanese, and started a World War while killing millions of civilians in camps. That was all Christian. Oh, wait, now that I think about it, I do remember something like that... a Christian just did it more recently and added the camp idea.

If I'm not mistaken, the people who landed in the US and slaughtered the indigenous people were Christian ("seeking religious freedom" as the classic story goes).

Right now, the Muslim extremist groups are killing more Iraqis than they are Americans. Their actions are closer to LA Gangs shooting up a neighborhood. Yeah, they don't want the US there. They also have their own internal beefs to settle.

If you want to blame other religions for past atrocities, you've got to remember that it goes both ways. There isn't a religion out there that doesn't have members who have done heinous things in its name. Sometimes the leaders of that religion were even involved. I guess we could say the same things about countries. People from a country can do something horrible just as well as the government can, whether they were working together or not.

[Hazcat]

FQ, PSJ,

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Islam is NOT like us. Period!  Look up CAIR and their stated goals, look up how they treat all other religions.

And don't even get me started on 'Palestine!"  NO SUCH COUNTRY, never was.  If they just want peace then they can go live in other muslim countries, OH WAIT no they can't because Egypt, Syria, et al WILL NOT TAKE THEM IN!  Why?  Cause they WANT to wipe out Israel, and to do that they need to keep the pot stirred!

STOP being so naive!

Sorry, guys but I am ALL OUT of patience on this subject!

[Sponsor]

[PoorSoulInJersey]

Look up CAIR and their stated goals, look up how they treat all other religions

Look up KKK and their stated goals, look up how they treat all other religions

[Hazcat]

Apples and oranges.

Yer talking about a fringe group.  They will always exist.  Weather underground, SLA, Black Panthers, etc.

CAIR is a mainstream organization, supported by the MAJORITY of mooselimbs.  Just a front for radical Islam wich, IS the majority.

[Pathfinder]

I don't remember the last time a Muslim invaded most of Europe, allied themselves with the Japanese, and started a World War while killing millions of civilians in camps. That was all Christian. Oh, wait, now that I think about it, I do remember something like that... a Christian just did it more recently and added the camp idea.

No, the mooslims lived in Europe, allied themselves with Adolf (and indirectly the Japanese), formed a number of SS (not Wehrmacht, but SS) regiments, and in general comported themselves as the gentle peace loving mooslims we have all come to know and love. And they did it in part because Hitler agreed to rid the middle east of Jews when he was done with Europe - that was the deal with the Caliph of Baghdad at the time. Too bad it was so long before the so-called "occupation" FQ referred to as the (current excuse) cause for the Palestinian hatred of the Jews.

PS: Palestine was the name bestowed by the Romans on a subjugated (i.e., slave) province headed by a puppet, much like Quisling in Norway (since we're on a Nazi kick here).

PSIJ & FQ are 2 of the biggest moral equivalists I have run across in a long time - "they just want to be left alone" my fat white hairy ass. You two have drunk deep of the tainted kool aid. And you do not know your history, so we may find them at the gates of Vienna (being metaphorical here) yet again soon.

Nor do you listen to them today - their stated goal is a world caliphate - and that means us and our descendants as mooslims.

[PoorSoulInJersey]

Apples and oranges.

Yer talking about a fringe group.  They will always exist.  Weather underground, SLA, Black Panthers, etc.

CAIR is a mainstream organization, supported by the MAJORITY of mooselimbs.  Just a front for radical Islam wich, IS the majority.

You say the KKK is a fringe group. I say Radical Islam is a fringe group.

What makes you say that radical Islam is the majority?

[JC5123]

You might be right about that.I guess McVey doesn't count because he bombed a government building? Going back to my earlier question, if there were Saudi or Iraqi troops living in the US, do you think anyone here would attack them? Or would we just be good Christians and let them be?Christianity also teaches that anyone who's not one of us is going to hell and it's a Christian's responsibility to convert and save them.I don't remember the last time a Muslim invaded most of Europe, allied themselves with the Japanese, and started a World War while killing millions of civilians in camps. That was all Christian. Oh, wait, now that I think about it, I do remember something like that... a Christian just did it more recently and added the camp idea.If I'm not mistaken, the people who landed in the US and slaughtered the indigenous people were Christian ("seeking religious freedom" as the classic story goes).Right now, the Muslim extremist groups are killing more Iraqis than they are Americans. Their actions are closer to LA Gangs shooting up a neighborhood. Yeah, they don't want the US there. They also have their own internal beefs to settle.If you want to blame other religions for past atrocities, you've got to remember that it goes both ways. There isn't a religion out there that doesn't have members who have done heinous things in its name. Sometimes the leaders of that religion were even involved. I guess we could say the same things about countries. People from a country can do something horrible just as well as the government can, whether they were working together or not.

Mcvey didn't stay in the truck as it detonated...