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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: billt on April 18, 2009, 03:23:46 PM
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Sig P-226 SCT
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Glock 17, and Glock 19
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Sig P-226 SCT, Glock 17, and Glock 19
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Sig P-226 SCT with 4, 20 round magazines.
Being a dyed in the wool .45 ACP shooter for over 3 decades now, I've been debating on a 9MM purchase for some time. Yesterday I went shopping, and after much discussion I was no closer to making up my mind then when I walked through the door. So I bought all 3.
I've never purchased 4 guns in one day before, (I also bought another AK-47), but with the political climate changing for the worse, and interest on annuity investments paying squat, I decided there were worse things in life to spend money on than quality, high capacity, semi auto firearms.
I really like the Sig P-226. It fits in your hand like your feet fit into fleece lined slippers. The SCT model of the P-226 ships with 4, 20 round factory Sig magazines. It has the Nitron finish, and Sig Night Sights as well. Both the Glock 17 and the 19 are standard daylight fixed sights. I was going to go with a 17 and a 26, but after handling the 19 the choice was obvious. The 19 fit my hands much better. Because I bought all 4 from a shop that I frequent quite often I got a smoking deal on all 4 of them.
As soon as I returned home I promptly ordered another 4 magazines for each gun from Midway, along with 4, 33 round 9MM Glock mags. Amazingly they had all of them in stock. Now all I need is some 9MM ammo. Every gun shop, as well as Cabela's and Sportsman's Warehouse is picked clean. Not a round to be had, with no telling when there will be. We've got a big Crossroads Gun Show coming next week, so I'll get up early and get in line with the rest of the cattle and try and pick up a few thousand rounds there. I doubt there will be any bargains, but at this point I just want ammo without wearing out a set of tires to find it. Hopefully then in a few weeks I'll be able to light these babies up! Bill T.
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Yes I like 9mm, I have 6 that I can recall of the top of my head, relatively inexpensive to shoot, if you can find some these days. The ones you've chosen are reliable and Sigs, although not my favorite are usually more accurate than the Glock, but then again, the 19 and 26, usually shoot better than the 17, go's against common thoughts on shorter barrels, but I've seen it again and again. I had a 19 that shot 1 3/4" at 25, and I will take that all day long, had a 17l, that would only do 4", go figure.
Did your salesman, tell you he would have to turn in a multiple handgun purchase sheet to the ATFE? It's no big deal, but when I sold guns, I would let the customer know that, and they could come back a different day and purchase and I would not have to do that, it basically puts you on a watch list, for purchasing handguns for resale or straw purchases.
The milks been spilled, so no going back, just did not know if you understood that.
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Great another watch list? ::)
I too was a 9mm hold out. After the Day of Despair (election day),.... I went to the local gun store and started fondling 9's as I knew ammo and high cap mags,etc,.... would start going up, up, and away...(which they did).
I couldn't afford some, but really liked the FN9. It was simple, toward the top of the best 9mm list. #2....
http://www.best9mm.com/
and was within my price.
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Congratulations on your "growing family". The Sig is a damn fine pistol. And "G" guns are tried and true. I have always wanted a G17.
Thanks for the "new porn" pics. I like em' with all that "new shipping oily frame,.. "
nevermind,... ::) ::)
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Back when I had a FFL, (pre Oklahoma City), I had the ATF come by a few times to check paperwork and such. I asked them about multiple sales forms and the gal told me they basically flag high volume, low quality purchases. Like a guy buying 30, Raven .25 autos, and crap like that. If they want to watch me, they'll get bored and go away in no time. My life is about as exciting as watching paint dry in humidity. Bill T.
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Great another watch list? ::)
I too was a 9mm hold out. After the Day of Despair (election day),.... I went to the local gun store and started fondling 9's as I knew ammo and high cap mags,etc,.... would start going up, up, and away...(which they did).
I couldn't afford some, but really liked the FN9. It was simple, toward the top of the best 9mm list. #2....
Congratulations on your "growing family". The Sig is a damn fine pistol. And "G" guns are tried and true. I have always wanted a G17.
Thanks for the "new porn" pics. I like em' with all that "new shipping oily frame,.. "
I like that FN. I've been tempted a few times to go for the FNP .45. It looks and feels like a well made gun. Most every review I've read has given it high praise in both function and durability. Bill T.
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My favorite round is 45 acp but I like shooting 9mm too. (Actually I like shooting just about anything). I've got a Sig Pro 2022 (composite frame). The thing is reasonably accurate and now with about 7K rounds through it is as reliable as anything in this world. I've also got that MB M&P I traded him for my SR9 (sorry, can't go into that right now). I had the M&P out this afternoon and it is also just a delight to shoot. 9 is fun. The big thing now for any round is finding ammo.
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For several months I was planning on getting a 9mm with my tax refund but I think I have enough guns for the time being.
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For several months I was planning on getting a 9mm with my tax refund but I think I have enough guns for the time being.
he who dies with the most toys wins
getting a 9mm is a lot easier for me to have than a .45 acp + I have another 6 month wait before I can buy a .45 ::)
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My wife loves her Springfield XD in 9mm. She shoots it much better than I. I like the 9mm but I prefer my .45LC wheelguns. That ebing said you can get a lot more shooting for cheaper with a 9mm than my beloved .45LC.
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To me the deal is this, 9mm ammo is cheaper than .40 or .45. So you'll be inclined to shoot more. Of course, that is if you can find it.
That's why I like my XD-9. That and it goes with my Camp-9.
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It won't be 9mm, but Sig has a .22 conversion kit. It won't have the same bang, but it will be cheaper and easier to get.
As far as 9mm, my carry gun is a .40 XD sub comp. and if I get a 9mm barrel and mags or a .357 Sig barrel, I can shoot those as well.
Just an aside, but the Sigs and the Glocks; talk about your beauties and beasts, but I digress. Hope you find some ammo to sling downrange.
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This year Sig is also making the 220, 226 and 229 in .22 rimfire versions. You can't tell them apart from the full sized counterparts. These aren't to be confused with the Polymer framed "Mosquito". The .22 Sigs run around $500.00, and are a cheaper alternative to shoot, especially with the rising cost of ammunition. Bill T.
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Hello. Yes, very much so. I like the cartridge in several loadings and many of the pistols chambered for it.
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This is my first Browning Hi Power. It was bought new in 1971 (when it was made) and customized by gunsmith, Lou Williamson, a year or two later. I still shoot it all these years later.
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This little FNP-9 is not a favorite, but it seems to work fine and I have no tangible complaints with it other than the sights being a little small for my tastes...and ever-aging eyes...
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Without question, this one is my most expensive, but it is not a favorite. Though extremely accurate and reliable, spare parts cost a fortune if they can be found and as expensive as it is, I dare not try and bob the hammer spur to alleiviate its bad biting habit! I like this SIG P210-6 but prefer other nines to it overall.
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Neither this Glock 17 or 26 are favorites, but they have proven themselves reliable in the extreme.
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This old Taurus PT92 has never let me down in the years I've owned it. The sights could be better, but this one's been a really fun gun and one that does remain loaded 24/7.
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This CZ-75 Pre-B has been refinished, different stocks added and the hammer bobbed. Its sights could be a bit more "high visibility" but still, it can be used effectively, I think.
I have used 9x19mm in various forms for nearly 40 years now and have been pretty well pleased with it. For fun, it's great and in these ammunition-starved times, its cost seems a bit more "reasonable" than some. With some of the more effective loads, I am not hesitant to use it for "serious purposes".
Best to all.
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Years ago when someone would mention 9mm I would ask,"why? I have 45's".
I have a lot of 45's but due to current ammo prices my recent and future purchases will be in 9mm.
I have a Para P-18 (9mm) and I love it. Little recoil, fun to shoot all day long.
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Years ago when someone would mention 9mm I would ask,"why? I have 45's".
I have a lot of 45's but due to current ammo prices my recent and future purchases will be in 9mm.
I have a Para P-18 (9mm) and I love it. Little recoil, fun to shoot all day long.
Up until lately, the only 9mm I have ever really considered was the Hi-Power, because it just feels good in the hand.
Now, due to ammo prices being what they are, I wouldn't mind having a 9mm set up in a 1911 so I could shoot a little cheaper.
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Everyone:B
I have a CZ-75B in 9mm. It is an excellent gun and fulfills my need for a 9mm. I do nto think I will be buying another 9 mm in the future.
Thanks
John
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Stephen,
That 210 is gorgeous! Guard it like a jealous husband guards his wife. One of the finest ones I've seen in that model. Bill T.
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I am definitely a 9 mm fan,i have the keltec pf9 and my favorite the FN9M.I love the FN so much i sold a 1911 to buy its big brother,the FNP45,i hope it gets here soon!!! lol
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...........These aren't to be confused with the Polymer framed "Mosquito". .........
Quit cussin' on the board! ! !
EDIT: SEVERAL OF US HAVE HAD BAD EXPERIENCES WITH THE mosquito...Haz and others put it in the POS category. The comment had nothing to do with you ! ! !
Hello. Yes, very much so. I like the cartridge in several loadings and many of the pistols chambered for it.
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This little FNP-9 is not a favorite, but it seems to work fine and I have no tangible complaints with it other than the sights being a little small for my tastes...and ever-aging eyes...
I've got one....not my favorite either, but it has never let me down on the range. The thing digests every 9MM factory and reload I've thrown at it...100%. I can't say that about my other 9's. I will say that I loaned it to a colleauge for a class and he limp wristed it really bad and had some problems...but he was limp wristing it so bad that he probably would have jammed a revolver.
Have you ever had a failure with yours?
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Hello. No, no failures so far. It's now got perhaps 2500 rounds through it.
Best.
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Had to put down my cigar AND my
Sig Sauer Glock 26 ...but it's worth it!!! ;)
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Where are the 9mm 1911s and M&Ps on this list?
My 2nd 1911 was a Springfield Loaded model in 9mm - I wanted to practice wit the 1911 but didn't want to pay the then outrageous $4.85/50 cost of .45 ammo! As much as I love my T series High Power, nothing beats a good 1911 trigger, and the 9mm 1911 is one of my favorite guns. A little work by Bill Fender didn't hurt, either.
I also recently picked up a M&P Pro in 9mm. In general, I'm not a fan of polymer guns. I own a few, and they're certainly fine guns for people who like them, but I never liked the DA (or safe action) triggers. Then I tried the M&P Pro. I don't think it'll ever replace my beloved 1911 trigger, but I'm really looking forward to shooting Production this summer. It has the best DA trigger I've ever felt on a semi-auto.
Which raises a question: Why can't anyone make a DA pistol trigger as smooth as a good DA revolver trigger?
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"Which raises a question: Why can't anyone make a DA pistol trigger as smooth as a good DA revolver trigger? "
It's a guess but I would say mechanical lay out of the mechanism.
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Im burning up the paper targets with my pre-S&W Walther P-99. Ive recently been able to get enough high cap mags that I can justify taking it to a class and doggone if I can't get the hits with it way WAY better than my Glock 19.
Now, all I need is a decent holster..
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Which raises a question: Why can't anyone make a DA pistol trigger as smooth as a good DA revolver trigger?
Try the Para LDA trigger. I think you'll be surprised at how nice it is.
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Had to put down my cigar AND my Sig Sauer Glock 26 ...but it's worth it!!! ;)
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Being in the market like everyone else it seems I went to the gun shop today and tried on a couple of 9mm on the range. My wife and I shot a Glock...can't remember the number, it was a the one aboe the 26 I think so probably a 19? and we shot a sig 220. We've enver shot a semi-auto pistol before so this was an experience for both of us. I figures we'd try 9mm befor 40 or 45. We had a good time but the muzzle flip was too much for the wife to control. She was happier with the SW636 in .357. She needs more training and practice with the pistols before she can be happy and confident handling them. I liked them both. Next time I'll try a full size 9mm in the Glocks and maybe the HK P2000.
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Being in the market like everyone else it seems I went to the gun shop today and tried on a couple of 9mm on the range. My wife and I shot a Glock...can't remember the number, it was a the one aboe the 26 I think so probably a 19? and we shot a sig 220. We've enver shot a semi-auto pistol before so this was an experience for both of us. I figures we'd try 9mm befor 40 or 45. We had a good time but the muzzle flip was too much for the wife to control. She was happier with the SW636 in .357. She needs more training and practice with the pistols before she can be happy and confident handling them. I liked them both. Next time I'll try a full size 9mm in the Glocks and maybe the HK P2000.
If you decide to go with the Glock (and who would't?) I'd reccomend the 19 over the 17. I have and love them both, but the 19 is a bit easier to conceal and you really don't sacrifice accuracy. The 17 is a little more "solid" for lack of better word, feeling in rapid fire,, but they're both great.
FQ13
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My Sweetie just went through a GUNSITE class with an FNP-9mm...as usual, ran like a clock and she shot very well with it. I still think it's one of the best buys out there.
My Para P18 LDA competition gun has a reworked DAO trigger that most DA revolvers would envy. The Carry 9 I usually cary around all the time has a little heavier trigger, but is still on par with a good DA revolver. I've shot Todd Jarrett's LDAs, and the triggers are amazingly smooth and light...lucky I didn't shoot myself in the foot!
Michael B
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MB,
What do ya think of the Sig P-6 (yes, actual P-6). I can get one for 340 (used - in very good condition).
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MB,
What do ya think of the Sig P-6 (yes, actual P-6). I can get one for 340 (used - in very good condition).
My future SIL bought one last fall for about 600....great little shooter...German made, date of mfg should be stamped on the muzzle end of the slide, right side...his was stamped 11/79...
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My current favorite 9mm is my Kimber Tactical Pro. It shoots way better than I can and has been 100% reliable. The fact that it is the 1911 platform only make it all the better. Also in the stable: FN P-9, Beretta 92FS, and a Springfield EMP that is my current carry gun.
Damn! I really need some range time.
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My future SIL bought one last fall for about 600....great little shooter...German made, date of mfg should be stamped on the muzzle end of the slide, right side...his was stamped 11/79...
Take heart Timothy, at least the boy has good taste. ;D
FQ13
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Take heart Timothy, at least the boy has good taste. ;D
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Not really, he just bought a Mitsubishi Spyder....with the exception my daughter and his Sigs, you could wave a shiney penny in front of him and he'll give you a quarter for it......combination of too much income and not enough sense!
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I believe the Sig P-6/225 is one of the baseline best Sigs ever made and has been wildly undervalued, largely because of the flood of German police guns. I carried one for years and still occasionally carry/shoot it (as recently as last week when I was using my P-6 in some instructional stuff). I know a bunch of cops who carry Sigs using the P-6 for off-duty concealed carry. Even Bill Murphy, who bleeds Glock polymer, conceded the P-6 was a great little gun (he bought one for his daughter). I begged CT to make LaserGrips for it, to no avail (since it's an out-of-production gun).
The P239 was the designated gun to fill the 225 niche, but I don't think it ever really succeeded in doing that...the $840 MRSP ($915 with night sights) on the 239 surely didn't help! I thought the P250 Compact might well step into that notch, and I liked the prototypes I shot. In the end, though, that long DAO trigger pull, long reset (and $750 MSRP) put the 250 into the HK P-7 category...a gun you need to shoot exclusively to shoot it well...
Michael B
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I am somewhat into 9mm's. I like my Sig 228 right well.
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I have a well worn G17 that was my very first handgun purchase back 10 years ago. Glock17's are simple and shoot all day and all night. I give it a diet of 124grn nato and +p 9mm. I sent it in to lonewolf to have it refinished. 11,000 rnds as of shipping.