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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on April 28, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/opinion/27Carter.html?_r=2&ref=opinion
What Happened to the Ban on Assault Weapons?
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By JIMMY CARTER
Published: April 26, 2009
THE evolution in public policy concerning the manufacture, sale and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons like AK-47s, AR-15s and Uzis has been very disturbing. Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and I all supported a ban on these formidable firearms, and one was finally passed in 1994.
When the 10-year ban was set to expire, many police organizations — including 1,100 police chiefs and sheriffs from around the nation — called on Congress and President George W. Bush to renew and strengthen it. But with a wink from the White House, the gun lobby prevailed and the ban expired.
I have used weapons since I was big enough to carry one, and now own two handguns, four shotguns and three rifles, two with scopes. I use them carefully, for hunting game from our family woods and fields, and occasionally for hunting with my family and friends in other places. We cherish the right to own a gun and some of my hunting companions like to collect rare weapons. One of them is a superb craftsman who makes muzzle-loading rifles, one of which I displayed for four years in my private White House office.
But none of us wants to own an assault weapon, because we have no desire to kill policemen or go to a school or workplace to see how many victims we can accumulate before we are finally shot or take our own lives. That’s why the White House and Congress must not give up on trying to reinstate a ban on assault weapons, even if it may be politically difficult.
An overwhelming majority of Americans, including me and my hunting companions, believe in the right to own weapons, but surveys show that they also support modest restraints like background checks, mandatory registration and brief waiting periods before purchase.
A majority of Americans also support banning assault weapons. Many of us who hunt are dismayed by some of the more extreme policies of the National Rifle Association, the most prominent voice in opposition to a ban, and by the timidity of public officials who yield to the group’s unreasonable demands.
Heavily influenced and supported by the firearms industry, N.R.A. leaders have misled many gullible people into believing that our weapons are going to be taken away from us, and that homeowners will be deprived of the right to protect ourselves and our families. The N.R.A. would be justified in its efforts if there was a real threat to our constitutional right to bear arms. But that is not the case.
Instead, the N.R.A. is defending criminals’ access to assault weapons and use of ammunition that can penetrate protective clothing worn by police officers on duty. In addition, while the N.R.A. seems to have reluctantly accepted current law restricting sales by licensed gun dealers to convicted felons, it claims that only “law-abiding people” obey such restrictions — and it opposes applying them to private gun dealers or those who sell all kinds of weapons from the back of a van or pickup truck at gun shows.
What are the results of this profligate ownership and use of guns designed to kill people? In 2006, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported more than 30,000 people died from firearms, accounting for nearly 20 percent of all injury deaths. In 2005, every nine hours a child or teenager in the United States was killed in a firearm-related accident or suicide.
Across our border, Mexican drug cartels are being armed with advanced weaponry imported from the United States — a reality only the N.R.A. seems to dispute.
The gun lobby and the firearms industry should reassess their policies concerning safety and accountability — at least on assault weapons — and ease their pressure on acquiescent politicians who fear N.R.A. disapproval at election time. We can’t let the N.R.A.’s political blackmail prevent the banning of assault weapons — designed only to kill police officers and the people they defend.
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First - I have given Pres. Carter a pass on several things because I felt his heart was in the right place. It has been a matter of taking the bad with the good and tallying the score in the end. However, this letter crosses the line, and he spews half truths and out right falsehoods. He has thrown his ethics out the window in the name of denial of Constitutional Rights.
Second - Doesn't it amaze you how these people will exercise their Rights as a way of calling for infringement of someone else's Rights? Maybe we should call for legislation to restric editorials, rallies and articles that call for action that could cause division within society.
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Doncha wonder what kind of guns Jimmy has? Could he own semi-auto handguns whose mags hold more than 10 rounds? Maybe semi-auto hunting rifles? Semi-auto shotguns? In short, I wonder if the senile old bastard has any clue about what the hell it is he's so damned comitted to banning!
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This chicken sh!t peanut picking a$$hole should stick to building houses and STFU.
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Doncha wonder what kind of guns Jimmy has? Could he own semi-auto handguns whose mags hold more than 10 rounds? Maybe semi-auto hunting rifles? Semi-auto shotguns? In short, I wonder if the senile old bastard has any clue about what the hell it is he's so damned comitted to banning!
I have used weapons since I was big enough to carry one, and now own two handguns, four shotguns and three rifles, two with scopes.
Oh the horror! Why would anyone have a need for scopes on their rifles?
Didnt the D.C. sniper have a scope on his rifle? Didnt the rifle that shot JFK have a scope on it? Don't .50 caliber rifles usually have scopes on them? Dont all military "Sniper Rifles" have scopes on them?
I am sorry, but I just dont see any reason why any civilian (including a former President) should be allowed to own a scoped rifle. There is no sporting use, that I can see, for having a scope on a rifle. Scopes were designed for military use for the purpose of leveling death from a far. They ONLY belong on foreign battle fields. Gang members can also use these devises to exponentially increase the lethality of guns that can penetrate the protective clothing worn by police officers. The majority of Americans are in favor of banning scopes, and we must do so immediately......... Oh, did I mention its for the children?
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Oh the horror! Why would anyone have a need for scopes on their rifles?
Didnt the D.C. sniper have a scope on his rifle? Didnt the rifle that shot JFK have a scope on it? Don't .50 caliber rifles usually have scopes on them? Dont all military "Sniper Rifles" have scopes on them?
I am sorry, but I just dont see any reason why any civilian (including especially a former President) should be allowed to own a scoped rifle. There is no sporting use, that I can see, for having a scope on a rifle. Scopes were designed for military use for the purpose of leveling death from a far. They ONLY belong on foreign battle fields. Gang members can also use these devises to exponentially increase the lethality of guns that can penetrate the protective clothing worn by police officers. The majority of Americans are in favor of banning scopes, and we must do so immediately......... Oh, did I mention its for the children?
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Fixed it for ya! ;D
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First - I have given Pres. Carter a pass on several things because I felt his heart was in the right place. It has been a matter of taking the bad with the good and tallying the score in the end. However, this letter crosses the line, and he spews half truths and out right falsehoods. He has thrown his ethics out the window in the name of denial of Constitutional Rights.
Second - Doesn't it amaze you how these people will exercise their Rights as a way of calling for infringement of someone else's Rights? Maybe we should call for legislation to restric editorials, rallies and articles that call for action that could cause division within society.
The road to Hell is paved with "good intentions". In other words it doesn't matter where his heart is if his head is up his ass.
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Wonder what caliber his "hunting" rifles are? Bet they could go through body armor.
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Ignorance plain and simple.
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Boy, this really makes me proud to be a Georgian.............. (note heavy sarcasm here).
Also note, that this sanctimonious, 'good ol' boy' does NOT speak for all Georgians.
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Boy, this really makes me proud to be a Georgian.............. (note heavy sarcasm here).
Also note, that this sanctimonious, 'good ol' boy' does NOT speak for all Georgians.
He only speaks for three Peg...
Jimmy, Rosalind and Amy....that's about it! We know better.... ;)
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He's always been an idealistic do-gooder who can't stand up to anyone. He's been an uninformed knucklehead for years. NOW (apparently) he is a SENILE uninformed knucklehead.
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Shouldn't he be confined somewhere with the other alzheimer patients?
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Boy, this really makes me proud to be a Georgian.............. (note heavy sarcasm here).
Also note, that this sanctimonious, 'good ol' boy' does NOT speak for all Georgians.
You can pick your friends, not your family. 8)
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He's always been an idealistic do-gooder who can't stand up to anyone. He's been an uninformed knucklehead for years. NOW (apparently) he is a SENILE uninformed knucklehead.
Obama or Carter ???
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You can pick your friends, not your family. 8)
I ain't kin to his ass............. ;)
Also of note......
CARTER PRESIDENTIAL MUSEUM CLOSES FOR RE-DESIGN. RE-OPENING ON OCTOBER 1, 2009 - The Jimmy Carter Presidential Museum closed its doors Sunday, April 26, 2009 in preparation for a $10 million redesign of the museum. Carter Library director Jay Hakes and the head of the redesign project, Dan Lee were on hand as security guard Mica Harlon closed the doors to the public. "We have been working on the museum redesign for a long time," Hakes said. "Its exciting to be getting ready to start the actual work." The Museum will reopen on Oct. 1, 2009, Carter's 85th birthday.
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/newsreleases/2009/09-20.pdf
The project will be paid for with private donations and $7 million already has been raised. More personal insights from his presidency and a focus on his work through The Carter Center to fight poverty and disease and champion peace and democracy around the world are among the highlights planned.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Feb19/0,4670,CarterCenter,00.html
They still need $3 million in donations...........if anyone is interested............. ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::)
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I guess I'll go ahead and drink the 6 pack of "Billy Beer" I've been saving....
I wish someone would tell him to Please Mr. President,....
STFU! :-X
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Boy, this really makes me proud to be a Georgian..............
Same sarcastic sentiment here.
JC was a bust as much as Governor as he was a President. People are amazed when confronted with the fact that Lester Maddox did more to advance minorities in state government positions than Carter or any liberal before or after his term.
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Hell, George Wallace did more for minorities the the teeth did.
Their going to reopen the library on his 85th birthday ? I hope he's busy talking with Ms. Lillian and misses it.
I don't generally hold grudges, or actively hate people, but this clod kicking POS is on my list.
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i'll say one thing for carter, he has done alot of good in habbit for humanity.
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i'll say one thing for carter, he has done alot of good in habbit for humanity.
That's right TAB Your in the construction trade. So if Hitler was building houses you would think he was a great guy too!
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i'll say one thing for carter, he has done alot of good in habbit for humanity.
REALLY GOOD TAB,...
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/50995-habitat-humanity-homes-are-falling-apart
Habitat For Humanity Homes are Falling Apart
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By dannysrider - Posted on January 5th, 2009
Tagged: Broad prosperity
According to the Sunday Times, homes built by the Habitat for Humanity are falling apart. Even the homes that the Hollywood stars have built are crumbling. Residents are complaining that there are crumbling walls, mildew, skin rashes, cockroaches, and rats infesting the houses. It was noted that one man in Florida lifted up the floorboards of his home to realize that it was built on about five feet of rubbish from a dump. Eww!! The article also says that instead of the homes being built by professionals, volunteers are building them. This supposedly corrupts the structure in its entirety and is the cause of all the destruction.
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REALLY GOOD TAB,...
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/50995-habitat-humanity-homes-are-falling-apart
Habitat For Humanity Homes are Falling Apart
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By dannysrider - Posted on January 5th, 2009
Tagged: Broad prosperity
According to the Sunday Times, homes built by the Habitat for Humanity are falling apart. Even the homes that the Hollywood stars have built are crumbling. Residents are complaining that there are crumbling walls, mildew, skin rashes, cockroaches, and rats infesting the houses. It was noted that one man in Florida lifted up the floorboards of his home to realize that it was built on about five feet of rubbish from a dump. Eww!! The article also says that instead of the homes being built by professionals, volunteers are building them. This supposedly corrupts the structure in its entirety and is the cause of all the destruction.
But they mean well. For liberals it truly is the thought that counts. ;D ;D
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Shouldn't he be confined somewhere with the other alzheimer patients?
Like for the last 30 years or so....
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REALLY GOOD TAB,...
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/50995-habitat-humanity-homes-are-falling-apart
Habitat For Humanity Homes are Falling Apart
dannysrider's picture
By dannysrider - Posted on January 5th, 2009
Tagged: Broad prosperity
According to the Sunday Times, homes built by the Habitat for Humanity are falling apart. Even the homes that the Hollywood stars have built are crumbling. Residents are complaining that there are crumbling walls, mildew, skin rashes, cockroaches, and rats infesting the houses. It was noted that one man in Florida lifted up the floorboards of his home to realize that it was built on about five feet of rubbish from a dump. Eww!! The article also says that instead of the homes being built by professionals, volunteers are building them. This supposedly corrupts the structure in its entirety and is the cause of all the destruction.
thats intresting , I've been on a Few HH builds, other then having to deal with people that had no idea what they were doing,,,
The 1st time I kicked about 5 of the "helpers" off the paint crew. No doubt the building inpsectors let them get away with mruder. maybe its diffrent out here, as a GC must over see the build, he must put his name. his lic and his bond up just like if he was building a normal house.
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I will give a +1 for Habitat being a great charity. I did my college internship in the marketing dept of their corporate offices.
They are a very well run charity. (at a corporate level - I have never done a build site) They have a great deal of brain power working for them, and it really showed during my time there. They are very efficient. The full time people they employ are totally committed to their cause, and it was obvious that many of them gave up much more lucrative careers for the sake of the cause. They are also 100% legit - the money you donate goes 100% to where you designate it to be spent. Another thing I have always liked about Habitat, is that they dont just give away houses. Those people that receive homes are very well screened and are in real need. Then they are expected to work on the build of their house for at least x-amount of hours.... and they are expected to take on a mortgage (one tailored to their situation) and actually pay for their house - They dont just give away houses, but rather help people get themselves a house.
As far as Carter is concerned, he was really never anything more then publicity for them. It is urban legend that he started Habitat and made it into what it is, but he did not (it was founded by Millard and Linda Fuller). Carter gave them a national spotlight and allowed them to spread their message, but he didnt really do a damn thing as far as actually contributing to the running of the charity. He was basically just a mascot for them.
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I first heard about Habitat through the show "Hometime" with Dean Johnson out of Minnesota. After that, seems Carter got involved. It always looked like a good cause but with anything, your going to have some problems as building codes differ greatly all over the country.
Regardless, I share Mr. Bogan's opinion of the peanut farmer ex-president, my former active duty CINC......STFU...
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I've often been disappointed in hearing and learning about Jimmy Carter. This one is the worst of all though. He probably don't even know what the heck he's talking about. And a lot of what he's saying there isn't true. He needs to get his facts straight. What a goober. :(
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I think old jimmy is trying to reinvent himself, that is the first I ever heard of him hunting. As a liberal with obvious senility he can claim anything he wants, it is just a shame that anyone cares what he has to say.
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I think old jimmy is trying to reinvent himself, that is the first I ever heard of him hunting. As a liberal with obvious senility he can claim anything he wants, it is just a shame that anyone cares what he has to say.
Jimmy boy is a well known hunter...remember the story when a rogue rabbit attacked him while he was canoeing...he had to defend himself with a paddle....A LARGE BORE PADDLE !
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To quote Dirty Harry,"A man should know his limitations."
Drink some Billy Beer.
Build some houses.
Do not give any hostage negotiation hints.
Know what the hell you are talking about.
Many hunters feel that by agreeing with an AWB their guns will be left alone. If they are not sure of how the government works with the "whats next?" legislation, ask an American Indian.
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To quote Dirty Harry,"A man should know his limitations."
Drink some Billy Beer.
Build some houses.
Do not give any hostage negotiation hints.
Know what the hell you are talking about.
Many hunters feel that by agreeing with an AWB their guns will be left alone. If they are not sure of how the government works with the "whats next?" legislation, ask an American Indian.
+100
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jimmy carter makes me think of baby seals.
And clubs.
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Don't hold back, Tom......tell us how you REALLY feel!! ;D
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Don't hold back, Tom......tell us how you REALLY feel!! ;D
I would, but the "black helicopters" would interfere with med flights to the local hospital ;D
Heres a letter I just sent to my congress critter, Jeanne Shaheen (D)
I would like to point out to you that places where restrictions on firearms are greater see an equivalent increase in violent crime over places with fewer restrictions on legal gun owners.
Blaming "guns" for violent crime is intellectually dishonest, statistically inaccurate, and observably ineffective.
If you truly wished to address the problem of violent crime you would address the problem of violent criminals through fewer restrictions on law abiding gun owners, and stiff mandatory sentences for violent crime instead of the unconstitutional placebos that have been failing for decades. If a person is going to disregard laws against Murder, rape, robbery and assault only a fool would expect them to obey a law saying they can not have a gun as has been well proven by the 30 year ban on handguns in Washington DC.
Let me remind you that the voters are not all fools Madam Senator. Barack Obama only won the election by a 4% margin, in other words nearly half the country wanted anyone else.
It was a reply to a canned "thank you for contacting me" letter
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Jimmy boy is a well known hunter...remember the story when a rogue rabbit attacked him while he was canoeing...he had to defend himself with a paddle....A LARGE BORE PADDLE !
A lot of folks forgot about that one....
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From todays Tactical Wire;
Editor's Notebook, Part II: Our Crazy Uncle in the Attic
By Rich Grassi
I was aware of the op-ed in the grand old newspaper early in the week. I really didn't want to address it. I try not to be disrespectful of people of high office, I really do. Sometimes I fail because sometimes we elevate the truly vacant among us to high office - sometimes to the highest office.
The email alerted me to the op-ed, this one written by the 39th President of the United States, and made some salient points about the odd way in which he "makes his case."
He didn't.
James Earl Carter was elected in 1976. This was a time of literally unprecedented economic unrest - the unheard-of-until-then rising inflation along with rising unemployment was allegedly impossible in a free market economy. Called "stagflation," this was accompanied by a rapid spike in gas prices, this caused by a predominantly Arab OPEC who saw the "Great Satan" as a faltering, weak fool.
A misery index was reported on the daily news - which at that time was more a function of journalism than of adherence to a political side. Our affable, smiling "Jimmy," our leader with the name of our mechanic, fry cook or school teacher, tried to get peace in the Middle East, tried to placate Latin America by giving the Panama Canal away and endured the seizure of the American Embassy in Tehran with the taking of hostages.
Weakened in his own party, Edward M. Kennedy ran against the wavering incumbent in the primary. Beset by problems, though still well thought of by constituents, Mr. Carter was no match for Ronald Reagan.
Mr. Carter alleges a number of things in his op-ed, which is written in opposition to your right to own firearms he refers to as "assault weapons." Of course, there is no such firearm in existence and the term is, like the idiot "cop-killer bullets" coined by CBS News, used to get the simple-minded worked up and excited. Since the Bill's Crime of 1994, more and more Americans have purchased firearms banned in that Act by our beneficent government - and those purchasers have not sent them to Mexico! They've by and large kept them.
Like many who seek to seize your rights, he has to reach out to show he's "one of us." In the op-ed, he says, "I have used weapons since I was big enough to carry one, and now own two handguns, four shotguns and three rifles, two with scopes. I use them carefully, for hunting game from our family woods and fields, and occasionally for hunting with my family and friends in other places."
Well, he's not like me! That's too many guns for one man to own - what can he do with all those? He can only shoot one at a time.
And he kills animals? What did they do to him?
Later in his disastrous diatribe, he writes ". . . the N.R.A. is defending criminals' access to assault weapons and use of ammunition that can penetrate protective clothing worn by police officers on duty." Aside from the fact that Mr. Carter either lied or he failed to take his medication before writing - NRA has never defended a criminal's right to do anything and Mr. Carter cannot demonstrate they have - he possesses at least one weapon that can "penetrate protective clothing worn by police officers on duty." I hope it's registered, that he had a background check and he waited a brief waiting period before getting it - all those infringements he recommends for you to own a gun.
See how he spins? A man his age, after all . . . Someone his age, with his apparent mental condition, likely shouldn't own a gun like that . . . should he? Based on his op-ed, I hope they take his driver's license!
Mr. Carter goes on, talking about him, his friends and family, by writing, "But none of us wants to own an assault weapon, because we have no desire to
kill policemen or go to a school or workplace to see how many victims we can
accumulate before we are finally shot or take our own lives."
Really? Is this a former President of the United States? If you own an AR15, you want to kill policemen? Did you know that? When my law enforcement agency issued my deadly, high capacity assault weapon Glock pistol, was that a feeling I had - to go to a school or find a workplace and see how many victims I could accumulate?
Did you know that one of the biggest groups of consumers of guns that either were banned in the 1994 Act or would have been if they existed is police officers? Bet you didn't. Most agencies in the country have less than ten sworn officers. Outfits that size very often don't buy all the gear their employees need for the job - so the cops buy their own. Those in bigger agencies often buy their own rifles to keep at home and to train with on their own time. But Smilin' Jimmy doesn't know that.
I'd go on, but repeating his embarrassing fabrications, prevarications and outright libels would simply cause my blood pressure to be elevated. I'm simply irritated by the ramblings of an old fool - one who believes that the world should be as he desires it.
I still can't believe that Mr. Carter, the Nobel "Peace" Prize winner has so many guns . . . someone needs to investigate him.