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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on June 10, 2009, 08:25:23 AM
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This bad penny just won't go away
Jim Matthews, Outdoor Writer
Posted: 06/05/2009 12:34:16 AM PDT
After being placed in the suspense file, and everyone thinking it was dead, Assembly Bill 962 is moving through the state legislature again.
It passed the state Assembly Wednesday and now moves to the state Senate. How it got this far is a mystery.
In case you've forgotten, Los Angeles Assemblyman Kevin DeLeon's bill would:
1. Stop the sale of more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition per month to individuals.
Since "handgun" ammunition is not defined anywhere in the bill, it effectively means "all" ammunition, since you can buy handguns in just about any metallic cartridge today. It would also include rimfire cartridges, which are routinely sold in 100-round packs, and are used in many handguns.
How can state government tell me I can only buy and shoot 50 rounds of ammunition per month to be competent with my handgun (or any gun)? The part of the law would effectively ban competitive shooting by civilians, if the law was followed to the letter. It would make those who live in dangerous neighborhoods less safe because gun owners would be less practiced, less trained.
How limiting how much ammunition we buy is supposed to do anything to help prevent crimes or help solve crimes is a complete mystery to anyone who has seriously examined this legislation.
2. It would license and tax anyone selling handgun ammunition commercially and force these stores to get background checks on anyone selling that ammunition.
This would make it more expensive to operate a firearms business in California, already one of the most expensive and highly-regulated businesses in the state. How does this help prevent or solve crimes? It doesn't, of course.
3. It would require ammunition sellers to get a thumbprint from anyone buying handgun ammunition, and mandate store owners to keep these records for five years.
The bill would force store owners to keep track of their customers so they know if John Doe has bought or tried to buy more than 50 rounds in any given month. (There are no provisions, however, for anyone to know if John Doe bought 50 rounds from a business across town earlier yesterday.)
First, imagine the paperwork nightmare this creates for these businesses. Second, it has been proven that even if law enforcement knows someone purchased a box of ammunition does nothing to help solve a crime.
Zip. This is just another harassment of gun owners and legal gun sellers. Plus there's the law enforcement oversight, adding more bureaucratic costs to a state that is going bankrupt, and wasting law enforcement's time and money with an effort that won't help them. This is a really bright thing. Don't you think?
4. It would ban all ammunition sales that don't take place face-to-face, effectively banning all mail-order sales.
If this was the only provision of the bill, it might be supported by local gun retailers because it would mean they wouldn't have to compete with mail order businesses that provide a lot of us with ammunition cheaper and offer more selection than the local gun shops. This is restraint of trade, but worse, it would effectively put out of business several local business who custom load ammunition for hunters. Custom Cartridge in Santa Barbara is one of the few companies that will load non-lead bullets into just about any hunting round to make it legal for use in California's condor hunting zone. They'd be forced out of business by this bill.
The bill was supposedly amended recently, but the only real change I could find in the legislation was the name. This horribly prejudical legislation is now called: PROTECTION Act of 2009: Providing Regulation and Oversight To End Community Terrorism In Our Neighborhoods.
Isn't that clever? Never mind that it has nothing to do with making our neighborhoods safer.
It has everything to do with a bias against legal gun ownership and those who legally sell guns and ammunition. This is legislated discrimination. It is about a legislator who doesn't have the courage to introduce legislation to ban handguns. That's what he wants, but he realizes that even in his liberal Los Angeles district that stand would get him kicked out of office in the next election. This is his way to get at gun owners and sellers by making their lives more difficult and expensive.
Unfortunately, it's time to call your state Senate members and ask them to jettison this bill once and for all.
http://www.sbsun.com/sports/ci_12526272
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I was under the impression that FEDERAL law prohits restrictions on sales of in stock ammo. Wal Mart has been taken to task in many states where they attempted to limit sales to 2 boxes at a time.
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here is the kicker, in CA we have case law that says any center fire metalic case round is hand gun ammo. shot gun ammo by federal law can not be hand gun ammo.
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We should pay Mexico to take Ca. off our hands.
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Hey! We're not all bad...
yeah, this was tabled and then all of a sudden sent through. The vote was 41-36 I think and now it is under consideration in the Senate.
All Californians need to call their senators and tell them what they think of this bill.
Tom, when the Reconquista is started by La Raza they just may succeed in taking us back. Along with Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
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We'll fight for Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. We'll accept screened refugees from Ca.
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We'll fight for Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. We'll accept screened refugees from Ca.
really really screened ;D
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really really screened ;D
We can use the airport screeners everyone is complaining about, do they show silicone? ;D
I need a taste of cheez whiz.....
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We can use the airport screeners everyone is complaining about, do they show silicone? ;D
I need a taste of cheez whiz.....
It has to be done by hand, Tim ;)
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We'll fight for Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. We'll accept screened refugees from Ca.
For probably the third time sir, you and I are in complete agreement. In a democracy, you get the government you deserve. However, you and I don't live in Ca., and can't vote in their elections and don't want this crap becoming precedent in federal law. I think we should apologize to Mexico over that nasty business in 1848 and cut a deal now. They can even have Arnold and Maria at no extra charge.
FQ13
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Just let me get out first! ;D
I wonder if Arizona will accept me back... ???
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Only if you are pro gun, If you post on here 60 without being abused times that isn't a problem. ;D
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We'll fight for Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. We'll accept screened refugees from Ca.
What's the big deal. Just let them have Ca. Then we won't have to pay for their bailout. I'd even volunteer to screen those California girls.
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What's the big deal. Just let them have Ca. Then we won't have to pay for their bailout. I'd even volunteer to screen those California girls.
You're a brave and patriotic man, Kid! I will volunteer to help you with this onerous duty! ;D
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You're a brave and patriotic man, Kid! I will volunteer to help you with this onerous duty! ;D
Thanks Haz. You too are a real patriot.
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They [mexico] can even have Arnold and Maria at no extra charge.
FQ13
Oh and we'll throw in Boxer, Pelosi and Feinstein at no extra charge. Heck we'll even give them to you if the deal falls through.
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Oh and we'll throw in Boxer, Pelosi and Feinstein at no extra charge. Heck we'll even give them to you if the deal falls through.
" But wait there's more!.....Even if you return CA you can keep them as our gift!" ;D
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Oh and we'll throw in Boxer, Pelosi and Feinstein at no extra charge. Heck we'll even give them to you if the deal falls through.
Give them to me? Alf, you seem like a good guy, but I WILL shoot your ass if necessary! ;D
FQ13
PS No jury in world (outside of CA.) would convict me either.
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Well thats just great, I own 17 handguns and 15 rifles that meens im proper screwed.
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Well thats just great, I own 17 handguns and 15 rifles that meens im proper screwed.
Nah, We'll let you in, Squibby gets a pass to, TAB, He'll have to work it off remodeling the corner ;D
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Nah, We'll let you in, Squibby gets a pass to, TAB, He'll have to work it off remodeling the corner ;D
Let's not get too hasty on this screening guys. I say we let TAB in just on the strength of his avitar.
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Let's not get too hasty on this screening guys. I say we let TAB in just on the strength of his avitar.
Have you seen Squib?? (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/OGvGdq16.gif)
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Have you seen Squib?? (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/OGvGdq16.gif)
Not sure, Is Squib the seated hot chick with legs up to there. Nothing better than a beautiful gal holding a gun.
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Not sure, Is Squib the seated hot chick with legs up to there. Nothing better than a beautiful gal holding a gun.
THIS http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=43 is Squibby!
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THIS http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=43 is Squibby!
Screening....Squibby doesn't need screening. Welcome to the new 49.
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THIS http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=43 is Squibby!
He forgot to mention her 6 ICORE championships ;D
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He forgot to mention her 6 ICORE championships ;D
Six !!!! The Lady knows her wheel guns. Correction, for a 6 time ICORE champion, she really knows her revolvers. Very, very impressive. I'll look forward to her posts. Hopefully they are filled with tips.
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More proof that California sucks. We need to keep a boat handy to pick up our fellow DRTV'ers when California falls into the ocean...
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Thanks guys i feel so loved.
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If it goes through and Ahnold signs it, I'm going to be ticked! This state is run by morons.
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If it goes through and Ahnold signs it, I'm going to be ticked! This state is run by morons.
Three words. Viva Las Vegas! What happens in Vegas can come back to Irvine.(Sort of like the clap, only better). ;)
FQ13
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More like retards that have no idea how people like us live day to day. I dont go around shooting people or beating on innocents that just want to be left alone. Ammo limits will do nothing to stop crime, criminals dont enjoy life or have someone to love they need rounded up pushed of a cliff.
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More like retards that have no idea how people like us live day to day. I dont go around shooting people or beating on innocents that just want to be left alone. Ammo limits will do nothing to stop crime, criminals dont enjoy life or have someone to love they need rounded up pushed of a cliff.
MB addressed this in podcast 112, they fear us because THEY would act irresponsibly and could not have a gun without wanting to shoot hell out of something or some one.
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They'll just sneak over the border to northern Nevada :-X
My favs are the "clueless ones" from the San Francisco area asking where all the ammo is, since that is "The Kool-aid Kapitol of America" because NO reports of firearm sales, ammo, reloading shortages is EVER in their media...
>:(
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Just tell them it's being horded by "gun and Bible clinging right wing extremist Veterans and Patriots" That were scare them.
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You are right !! Most of us here in Northern Nevada are "dialed in" to what's happening, however it's the new gun owners by the thousands over the last few months that were being told to get 200-300 rounds of hardball ammo accross the nation that helped create the shortages also. Which is a good thing, 'cause they need to be able to hit a target :D
Feel like a broken record at times :P
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Just tell them it's being horded by "gun and Bible clinging right wing extremist Veterans and Patriots" That were scare them.
HEY!! I resemble that remark!! ;D
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You are right !! Most of us here in Northern Nevada are "dialed in" to what's happening, however it's the new gun owners by the thousands over the last few months that were being told to get 200-300 rounds of hardball ammo accross the nation that helped create the shortages also. Which is a good thing, 'cause they need to be able to hit a target :D
Feel like a broken record at times :P
You remember records ;)
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You remember records ;)
Yup just put an 'ol bat date on that post LOL
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But do you remember 33 1/3 records ;D
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But do you remember 33 1/3 records ;D
Yup 78's too LOL
Traipsed flea markets with grandpa for his 78 collection
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Give them to me? Alf, you seem like a good guy, but I WILL shoot your ass if necessary! ;D
FQ13
PS No jury in world (outside of CA.) would convict me either.
Sorry I missed your reply FQ13. No I thought I implied we'd throw those scalawags in with the deal to sell CA to Mexico. I'd never wish them on any of the DRTV folks.
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But do you remember 33 1/3 records ;D
While I'm only 42, I still remember and have some 78's. I mentioned 45's the other day and my 17 yr old asked me what I was talking about.
FQ - Vegas is just 3 1/2 hours away, but I hope it won't come to that. I'm sure the next step would be to make it illegal to bring it across state lines.
They'll probably make some special ammo that will be the only type that will be able to be fired from our microstamping "smart" Nerf guns, which will be all that the subjects of California will be allowed to posess. Gun buybacks are preceding the already planned door-to-door confiscation of all guns that don't shoot microstampable smart Nerf. This is not so farfetched in Kalifornia and makes me think of a Bowie song title, "This is Not America."
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While I'm only 42, I still remember and have some 78's. I mentioned 45's the other day and my 17 yr old asked me what I was talking about.
As I've mentioned I am a teacher. I used the Clarence Thomas hearings as an example of how race trumps gender in Amercan Politics. I just figured the students knew all about it as the Hill-Thomas thing was such a big deal. Clueing in on the blank stares, I asked, "Y'all remember this right"? To which one of my students raised her hand and said, "Sir, I was seven". Needless to say, I made it to happy hour that night.
FQ13
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As I've mentioned I am a teacher. I used the Clarence Thomas hearings as an example of how race trumps gender in Amercan Politics. I just figured the students knew all about it as the Hill-Thomas thing was such a big deal. Clueing in on the blank stares, I asked, "Y'all remember this right"? To which one of my students raised her hand and said, "Sir, I was seven". Needless to say, I made it to happy hour that night.
FQ13
In light of Sotomayor you may need to revise that.
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In light of Sotomayor you may need to revise that.
Not really. If her last name was Smith, she would have had a harder (though not impossible) time getting the job. Just like Thomas was the best qualified candidate (assuming you were only looking at black conservatives) Sotomayor is the best qualified candidate ( if you're only looking for a female Hispanic). Affirmative action at its finest. :P
FQ13
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Not really. If her last name was Smith, she would have had a harder (though not impossible) time getting the job. Just like Thomas was the best qualified candidate (assuming you were only looking at black conservatives) Sotomayor is the best qualified candidate ( if you're only looking for a socialist female Hispanic). Affirmative action at its finest. :P
FQ13
corrected for accuracy.
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corrected for accuracy.
Marxist, fascist, socialist female
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Marxist, fascist, socialist, racist female
And back at 'cha, Rastus! ;D
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dirty pirate hooker
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Oh man, you guys/gals crack me up...
Kid, Bryan, Long762range, m25, luv2shoot, any other Texas DRTV member I can't remember right now...
When are we going to start on that northern border wall?
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/texas_constructs_u_s_border_wall
Just kidding guys... mostly ;D ;D
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Oh man, you guys/gals crack me up...
Kid, Bryan, Long762range, m25, luv2shoot, any other Texas DRTV member I can't remember right now...
When are we going to start on that northern border wall?
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/texas_constructs_u_s_border_wall
Just kidding guys... mostly ;D ;D
Great post. I'm looking forward to the completion of the Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western walls. Also just kidding...mostly.
God Bless Texas, it is his country after all.