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Title: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: twyacht on July 18, 2009, 12:25:25 PM
Alright, this is my big announcement!!:

First some Intro Music: 30 seconds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1zealrKvjE&feature=related













YES! It's True! I have bought a "G" Gun!

After several years of fighting my transformation to the "Dark Side", someone must have slipped me a Mickey, with the Kool-Aid in it. So, after hoping to be snatched back into the light, I asked some fellow Rangers for their thoughts earlier this week.
Uh, there was no going back to the light.. :P, they couldn't save me....
So I did some consulting with this guy, who showed me the way:
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/emperor.jpg)
I was so excited, I caught Darth Vader off guard. But he had some very helpful info.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/1477329131.jpg)

It is a very slightly used Model 21 .45ACP (just because), bought from a co-worker who needed the money bad.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Glock007.jpg)
Box, 400rds of target ammo, 5 mags, 13 rounds. for $500..
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Glock001.jpg)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Glock003.jpg)

There was some concern of how my M+P would react: :-\
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Glock005.jpg)
They hit it right off, and are getting along very nicely. :-*

It is hardly even broken in, and clean as a whistle. except for my handprints and fondle marks.
Need to order the Grip Plug to close that cavern behind the Mag, and go run it.

So there you have it, I need counseling and rehab at the Broward County Mental Health Facility Target Range, and have to really, really be nice to the wife for a while.

Any tips, tweaks, personal exp. advice are all welcome and encouraged.

My name is Tom, and I'm a Glockaholic, in constant recovery.... 8)

I'm blaming all of you here at DRTV for this, especially ericire and hawkfish, who over the last year have found a way to penetrate my tin-foil hat...



Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Kid Shelleen on July 18, 2009, 12:33:54 PM
Congratulations and welcome to the Dark Side.

Forever gone from the light you are.

Looking forward to the range report. Resistance will be futile......... after you've shot it. (I know mixed sci-fi quotations)

How do you type an evil and sinister laugh? ;D

BTW, sweet Glock!!!
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 18, 2009, 12:35:50 PM
 A new gun has the same appeal even if it is a black plastic gangsta side shooter.  ;D
Nice pics, (except for that Darth Vader one, SHEESH, Can't a bad guy get a LITTLE privacy ? ) and a nice deal. Enjoy
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: BAC on July 18, 2009, 12:37:56 PM
Congratulations and welcome to the Dark Side.

Forever gone from the light you are.

Looking forward to the range report. Resistance will be futile......... after you've shot it. (I know mixed sci-fi quotations)

How do you type an evil and sinister laugh? ;D

BTW, sweet Glock!!!

Bwah! hah hah hah!!!!!!
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: True_Texan on July 18, 2009, 12:38:30 PM
Glad you mentioned the grip plug. So stupid they don't have it covered over already but you can keep your "G" flavored kool-aid powder mix in there. ;D

Just ordered a Ghost Inc. 3.5 Rocket Kit (http://www.ghostblock.com/product/GHO_RIK) and now I guess will be finding the grip plug.

Good choice on the .45acp. Nice deal you got there too.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Steyr M40A1 on July 18, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
Sweet deal. Of course you can sell it and make a great profit and buy (a real gun) that special gun you have always wanted.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: ericire12 on July 18, 2009, 01:16:31 PM


"Today will be a day long remembered. It has seen the death of Kenobi, and soon the fall of the rebellion."




(http://blog.oneplusinfinity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/darth-vader.jpg)






And remember..... once you go black, you never go back!






*Hey, they come in white too:
http://i38.tinypic.com/283sk0.jpg
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: tumblebug on July 18, 2009, 01:39:46 PM
Congratz on the    fuglyone      may it hit everything you aim at.Just like mine 8) 8)
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 18, 2009, 03:02:59 PM
TW
The Glock is like a smart, ugly woman who loves sex, and is really good at it. You may be embarrassed to show her off to your friends at first, but if you don't get over it you're a damn fool. That pistol, particularly in .45 (my preferred caliber despite owning 9mm) will be your go to gun. Maintaince? What's that? Cleaning? Once a year whether it needs it or not. Four inch groups with either hand at 15 yards, rapid fire, every time. Welcome to the Sith.
FQ13 and again Bwah haha!
PS DO NOT SHOOT LEAD OR RELOADS. The manual is serious about that. The chamber is slightly over sized (just like an AK's) to make it idiot proof, so brass wil overexpand if you try to reload brass fired from a Glock (other used brass is apparently ok). Likewise their propietary rifling will foul if you use lead. Fire only jacketed ammo (which is most of whats available, so no hardship). 
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: m25operator on July 18, 2009, 04:14:56 PM
Sorry FQ13, the .45 is different, it has conventional rifling, not the polygonal style, my M21 has digested at least 8k of 185 swc lead bullets. No problem reloading the spent brass either, my .45 acp's run from smith revolvers, 1911's with factory and match barrels, and my glock, but they all get fed the same diet. Lead, with a few JHP  thrown in for good measure. Unless it is a bullseye match, they all get fed mixed brass too. For a real tournament like a regional or state championship, I will use all same lot, brass.

I know the manual says NO RELOADS, if the loads are safe for anything else, they are safe for a glock, now as far as lead, I do load it for my other glocks, but clean much more often, it builds up pretty fast in the polygonal rifling. Especially .40 However I don't load lead for the 10mm, as only gets hunting ( powerful ) loads.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: m25operator on July 18, 2009, 04:15:38 PM
OH YEAH TW, NICE CATCH, ENJOY ;D
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 18, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
Sorry FQ13, the .45 is different, it has conventional rifling, not the polygonal style, my M21 has digested at least 8k of 185 swc lead bullets. No problem reloading the spent brass either, my .45 acp's run from smith revolvers, 1911's with factory and match barrels, and my glock, but they all get fed the same diet. Lead, with a few JHP  thrown in for good measure. Unless it is a bullseye match, they all get fed mixed brass too. For a real tournament like a regional or state championship, I will use all same lot, brass.

I know the manual says NO RELOADS, if the loads are safe for anything else, they are safe for a glock, now as far as lead, I do load it for my other glocks, but clean much more often, it builds up pretty fast in the polygonal rifling. Especially .40 However I don't load lead for the 10mm, as only gets hunting ( powerful ) loads.
Thanks M25
I stand corrected, and, as usuual after one of your posts, better informed.
FQ13
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: twyacht on July 18, 2009, 07:08:57 PM
Thank you for all your support through this transition.

Here is something regarding Lone Wolf Barrels for the G21, and a 10 minute video regarding handloads, seating depths for cast bullets, from an otherwise intelligent older man, who has a backyard I would love to have.

Post what you like, I think this guy is spot on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0s6YV0Di7M&feature=related
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: DeltaM on July 18, 2009, 07:39:35 PM
I'm pretty sure he said the distant frying pan target was 80 yds.  Wished I could do that.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 18, 2009, 07:43:38 PM
 The no reloads warnings are a CYA thing, like the crappy triggers of years past.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: philw on July 18, 2009, 08:17:04 PM
(http://profantasybaseball.com/uploaded_images/crazy_man_straight_jacket_hg_blk-731234.gif)

Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 18, 2009, 08:28:02 PM
(http://profantasybaseball.com/uploaded_images/crazy_man_straight_jacket_hg_blk-731234.gif)


Phil
Uh....is this avant guard theatre or is there a point to this post? Just askin'.
FQ13
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Pathfinder on July 18, 2009, 08:28:24 PM

There was some concern of how my M+P would react: :-\
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Glock005.jpg)
They hit it right off, and are getting along very nicely. :-*

M&P & G - I really hate that inter-racial crap.

Congrats on the pistole.  Enjoy. And you can't possibly need all that ammo - just send all but one box to me.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: dj454 on July 18, 2009, 08:42:13 PM
Congratulations. I love my M&P as well but I still have my Glock 20 and I loove it as well. The M&P is a little more refined but the Glock functions flawlessly. I hope you enjoy. Find a Glock 20 upper and mags and you can enjoy the wonderful 10mm as well.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: philw on July 18, 2009, 09:05:01 PM
Phil
Uh....is this avant guard theatre or is there a point to this post? Just askin'.
FQ13

hehe   crazy  glock owners  ;)
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: ericire12 on July 18, 2009, 09:10:30 PM
I'm pretty sure he said the distant frying pan target was 80 yds.  Wished I could do that.

In another video he rings the gong with the subcompact as well.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Ping on July 18, 2009, 09:33:43 PM
Congrats TW. I carry my G21 SF .45 ACP religiously. Just sold my Smith and Wesson M&P 9c to get either a Glock 30 or a Glock 35. This will be my seventh Glock I will have purchased. Owned a couple of Glock 17's, on my second G22, though I now have the RFT, G24 .40 Smith and Wesson (Over six inch barrel), and my Glock 21 SF.

I have owned 3 Smith and Wesson's (6906 and MP9), a Beretta, a Taurus, EAA, Ruger, Jiminez (Avoid at all cost), Skyy (Same as the Jiminez), Sig Sauer. I always find myself coming back to a Glock. They are just that dependable and accurate to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: twyacht on July 18, 2009, 09:43:03 PM
Congrats TW. I carry my G21 SF .45 ACP religiously. Just sold my Smith and Wesson M&P 9c to get either a Glock 30 or a Glock 35. This will be my seventh Glock I will have purchased. Owned a couple of Glock 17's, on my second G22, though I now have the RFT, G24 .40 Smith and Wesson (Over six inch barrel), and my Glock 21 SF.

I have owned 3 Smith and Wesson's (6906 and MP9), a Beretta, a Taurus, EAA, Ruger, Jiminez (Avoid at all cost), Skyy (Same as the Jiminez), Sig Sauer. I always find myself coming back to a Glock. They are just that dependable and accurate to me.  ;D

Thank you Ping & dj454, didn't know the 10mm upper and mags would work,( closet 10mm fan,) I didn't have a chance to test drive it today, domestic agenda, and the wife took priority,  :-\, but she didn't throw me out, got the smile and rolling of eyes response, and I look forward to shooting it very very soon.

Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Ping on July 18, 2009, 10:13:36 PM
You are welcome. With the exception of my Glock 24, my Glock 21 SF is my second most accurate Glock. Got some trigger time at the range Friday. Shot 50 rounds. Most stayed in the 8, 9 and 10 mark at 20 yards. As for the cavity cover, I have to find one to fit the Small Frame grip. I use Glockmeister covers on all my other glocks. I also plan on putting adjustable rear sights on all my Glocks.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Rob10ring on July 18, 2009, 11:44:18 PM
Congratulations. I love my M&P as well but I still have my Glock 20 and I loove it as well. The M&P is a little more refined but the Glock functions flawlessly. I hope you enjoy. Find a Glock 20 upper and mags and you can enjoy the wonderful 10mm as well.
Aren't some of the other innards different? Like the ejector.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Rob10ring on July 18, 2009, 11:51:16 PM
Sorry FQ13, the .45 is different, it has conventional rifling, not the polygonal style, my M21 has digested at least 8k of 185 swc lead bullets. No problem reloading the spent brass either, my .45 acp's run from smith revolvers, 1911's with factory and match barrels, and my glock, but they all get fed the same diet. Lead, with a few JHP  thrown in for good measure. Unless it is a bullseye match, they all get fed mixed brass too. For a real tournament like a regional or state championship, I will use all same lot, brass.

I know the manual says NO RELOADS, if the loads are safe for anything else, they are safe for a glock, now as far as lead, I do load it for my other glocks, but clean much more often, it builds up pretty fast in the polygonal rifling. Especially .40 However I don't load lead for the 10mm, as only gets hunting ( powerful ) loads.

A friend and I pulled a new 21SF off the shelf at the range and it had the polygonal rifling in the octagonal configuration. Glock's horrible site appears to show the same.

Maybe this is similar to my HK USP. All of heir newer guns have the polygonal rifling, but I bought my USP when they first came out and I have conventional rifling.

From the Glock 21SF specs:

Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 19, 2009, 12:00:09 AM
 I could be wrong, but I think HK pioneered the use of Polygonal rifling in MODERN firearms. (back in the early days they tried all sorts of weird sh!t including square and cruciform bullets) that is now used in tank main guns and called "rifled smooth bore" Because they have no lands and grooves and therefore technically are smooth bores, also while a conventional barrel has to be drilled, bored, and then rifled, a polygonal bore can be hammer forged in 1 single operation. I do not know that it is any better or worse than cut rifling but it is considerably faster and less expensive to produce.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: dj454 on July 19, 2009, 12:42:15 PM
Aren't some of the other innards different? Like the ejector.
No you have to change the whole upper. You can take a Glock 20 slide and barrel and install it on a Glock 21 and vice versa. I tried it with my friend Glock 21. You can occasionally find slide and barrel assemblies on gun broker. I have been looking for a 21 upper and mags for my 20. The ejector is the same part for either one. If you do get a 10mm upper for your 21 I recommend changing the recoil spring/guide rod assembly. The 20 and 21 use the same spring but it is not strong enough for hot 10mm loads. I switched to the Wolf 22 lb and stainless guide rod. I have a stock spring to use if I want to shoot light loads. The 22 lb spring really helped in brass recovery. It used to send brass 20-30 feet. Now 8-10 feet with my hottest loads. Have fun.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: weatherbyman on July 19, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
I sold my hk usp after I got my glock 23, I liked it that much. I added  the tritium-fiber optic night sights and havent looked back on this gun. 
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: 1911 Junkie on July 20, 2009, 11:24:18 AM
Goog deal, that will make some nice trading stock.  ;)
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Rob Pincus on July 28, 2009, 07:59:46 AM
Coming to this party late.... I read the first few posts, but admittedly did not wade through 3 pages... if this has been covered, I apologize, but it is important enough to hear again:

The cavernous opening behind the magazine well is there for a REASON.  When you install the aftermarket "grip plug" (which provides zero function), you make it harder to get a grip on the magazine should you need to force it out during a complex malfunction clearing ("double feed", etc).

Don't use them, they are another useless, potentially dangerous, aftermarket gimmick.

-RJP
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Steyr M40A1 on July 28, 2009, 08:55:22 AM
I thought this is why the left the hole in there.

(http://www.vbrpc.org/steyr2.jpg)

For a shoulder stock.
Sorry this was the 1st pict I came across, a Steyr M series and not its cousin.
I think the stock came from IGB in Austria
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 28, 2009, 08:59:51 AM
I thought this is why the left the hole in there.

(http://www.vbrpc.org/steyr2.jpg)

For a shoulder stock.
Sorry this was the 1st pict I came across, a Steyr M series and not its cousin.
I think the stock came from IGB in Austria
And it should stay there, as it is a felony here in the US. It's also just kind of silly anywhere. A man who would own that would order a chocolate Martini in public. (and I love love Glocks)
FQ13
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 28, 2009, 11:57:32 AM
And it should stay there, as it is a felony here in the US. It's also just kind of silly anywhere. A man who would own that would order a chocolate Martini in public. (and I love love Glocks)
FQ13

No it is not a Felony, it is a class 3 firearm, pay the ATF tax and you are good to go. There was a model of HK (forget which one ) that when you attached the Shoulder stock it enabled full auto fire. (I THINK it was the VP 7 )

Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Big Frank on July 28, 2009, 02:23:58 PM
The VP70 is capable of shooting 3 shot bursts with the stock attached. It's the only pistol that can do that.
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 28, 2009, 03:39:25 PM
The VP70 is capable of shooting 3 shot bursts with the stock attached. It's the only pistol that can do that.

Not bad for an article I read 25+ years ago.
Now if I could just remember where I put my glasses 25 MINUTES ago.....
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Timothy on July 28, 2009, 05:48:01 PM
Now if I could just remember where I put my glasses 25 MINUTES ago.....

In the refer, next to the mustard..... ;D
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: twyacht on July 28, 2009, 08:03:54 PM
Thank you Rob. Your advice is duly noted regarding mag. access during a complex failure where the mag needs to go to replace PDQ.

I have seen proof the G21 can endure torture of all kinds, and if the reason for the "gap" has a reason for mag. access, than that means something.

I spent a total of $12 for the plug with shipping. If it restricts access to the mag in case of "anything", than I'll leave it out.

Thanks again for your expertise and experience.

No matter how unlikely a mag. issue is, if it needs to come out, I want it out without fumbling...

I will do some weak hand and other snap cap drills when I get it via the big brown truck.. with and without the plug.

Being left handed, I probably stacked the deck already... ::)

Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 28, 2009, 08:23:03 PM
Rob is, obviousley 100% right here. If you slide your finger up the the grip, you'll note that there is a gap that is then filled by the rear, mag wall (don't know the technical term). This wasn't an oversight it was deliberate. The same is true in other "loose" elements of the pistol as well. It is designed to run dirty and be easy to access, clean, and be back in action. Why the Army didn't adopt these in .45 I will never understand. ( I know its because of the lack of safety but we did fine with DA revolvers for how many years)? It really is the AK of pistols.
FQ13
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: Ping on July 29, 2009, 09:02:05 AM
Was just sitting here checking out my Glock 21 SF (there isn't a plug made for it that I am aware of yet) and my other Glocks do have plugs. I do see what Rob Pincus is talking about. Makes perfect sense and thanks for the input Rob. I will be removing the plugs from my other Glocks now. You can learn alot from a Pincus.  ;)
Title: Re: Time For My "Coming Out"
Post by: MAUSERMAN on July 30, 2009, 01:17:03 AM
Damn i have 5 glocks and 5 plugs to remove thanx ROB. >:(