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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: charliefarmerboy33 on July 22, 2009, 11:57:31 AM
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It didn't pass.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090722/ap_on_go_co/us_concealed_weapons
By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer Jim Abrams, Associated Press Writer – 19 mins ago
WASHINGTON – In a rare win for gun control advocates, the Senate on Wednesday rejected a measure allowing a person with a concealed weapon permit in one state to also hide his firearm when visiting another state.
The vote was 58-39 in favor of the provision establishing concealed carry permit reciprocity in the 48 states that have concealed weapons laws. That fell two votes short of the 60 needed to approve the measure, offered as an amendment to a defense spending bill.
Opponents prevailed in their argument that the measure violated states rights by forcing states with stringent requirements for permits to recognize concealed weapons carriers from states that give out permits to almost any gun owner.
"This is no minor shift in policy," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., whose state requires people to be fingerprinted, get gun training and to undergo a federal background check before issuing permits. "It in fact would be a sweeping change and I think with some deadly consequences."
The vote reversed recent trends where Republicans and gun rights Democrats from rural states joined to push pro-gun rights issues and block gun control legislation.
Congress this year voted to restore the rights of people to carry loaded weapons into national parks and the Senate moved to effectively eviscerate the tough gun control laws of the District of Columbia.
Congress has also ignored urgings from President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder to revive a ban on military-style weapons that expired in 2004.
The concealed weapons measure, promoted by the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America, would have made a concealed weapon permit from one state valid in the 47 other states with permit laws. Only Wisconsin and Illinois have no carry permit laws.
Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., the sponsor, said it would not provide for a national carry permit, and that a visitor to another state would have to obey the limitations of that state, such as bans on concealed weapons in restaurants or other places.
"Law-abiding individuals have the right to self-defense," even when they cross state lines, Thune said, citing the example of truck drivers who need to protect themselves as they travel.
Opponents, however, said the 48 states with permits have a broad range of conditions for obtaining those permits: some such as Alaska and Vermont, give permits to almost all gun owners. Others, such as New York, have firearm training requirements and exclude people with drinking problems or criminal records.
New York Democrat Charles Schumer raised the possibility of his state having to accept gun carriers from states that have few or no restrictions. Thune's proposal, he said, was "the most dangerous piece of legislation to the safety of Americans when it comes to guns since the repeal of the assault weapons ban."
Thune shot back that if a person from South Dakota with a carry permit visited Central Park in New York City, "Central Park will be a much safer place."
Other opponents said the proposal infringed on states' rights, usually an important principle for gun rights groups. Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said it would override the laws of 11 states — California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Rhode Island — and the District of Columbia — which do not allow carry permit reciprocity with other states.
Sen. David Vitter, R-La., another sponsor, reminded his colleagues that the NRA and Gun Owners of America were scoring the vote, meaning it would be considered in their election evaluation of lawmakers.
NRA chief lobbyist Chris W. Cox said the last two decades have shown a strong shift toward gun rights laws. "We believe it's time for Congress to acknowledge these changes and respect the right of self-defense, and the right of self-defense does not stop at state lines," he said.
Gun control groups were strongly in opposition.
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said Mississippi residents can get a permit without any training, including ever shooting a pistol on a range. These permit holders could carry firearms in New York City, where police have broad discretion to deny permits, or Dallas, where permit applicants must undergo at least 10 hours of training.
"It is critical to our efforts that people who enter our state abide by the laws of our state which have supported the progress we are making," Newark, N.J., mayor Cory Booker said in a statement. "This is not a law that will in any way support our efforts to create a safer Newark."
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We need to get 39 names. They seem to not be interested in letting the American people exercise their RIGHT to self protection. But IMHO I think that most of the 39 nays realize that an armed citizen is in a position to halt criminal activity in progress. This effectively shuts down most senate offices. ; >:(
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It never would have passed the house anyway
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Is there a link to a site that says who voted what ?
The ones who voted against it can be a start on our 2010 hit list.
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Is there a link to a site that says who voted what ?
The ones who voted against it can be a start on our 2010 hit list.
I have looked for it but have not found it yet. It is bill S.371
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GOP Sens. Lugar and Voinovich voted “nay.”
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GOP Sens. Lugar and Voinovich voted “nay.”
As will we in their re-election campaign.
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s1390 HAZ
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On the Amendment (Thune Amdt. No. 1618 )
To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to allow citizens who have concealed carry permits from the State in which they reside to carry concealed firearms in another State that grants concealed carry permits, if the individual complies with the laws of the State.
Here is the link to the roll call of the vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00237
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s1390 HAZ
That's the Defense Authorization bill that kills funding for the F22 and therefore kills jobs in the aviation industry.
This site has not been updated yet but seems to have good information ;
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-371
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Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Nay Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Oh shock ... We have a perfect record >:(
Now I can fire of e-mails demanding an explanation of this!
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Oh shock ... We have a perfect record >:(
Now I can fire of e-mails demanding an explanation of this!
RE: S.AMDT.1618 to S 1390 Vote
Dear Senator Klobuchar,
Please explain your vote this morning that will continue the travesty of restricting Second Amendment Rights of law abiding citizens of this great nation.
Sincerely,
Same e-mail sent to both Senators (Klobuchar and Franken).
I will be posting their replies if and when they ever send me one ... no matter what they say or don't say.
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It might be possible to apply pressure to Klobuchar because she will be up for re-election in 2010. I don't think “Senator Satirist” would listen even if up for re-election. He is a hardcore liberal.
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It might be possible to apply pressure to Klobuchar because she will be up for re-election in 2010. I don't think “Senator Satirist” would listen even if up for re-election. He is a hardcore liberal.
Doesn't matter whether they care of not. I intend to be there all the time - good or bad. I will not go away, and these two will know my name! Some day I will meet with them, and when we are introduced I hope they are glad to meet me, but more than likely it will be an "OH SHIT" moment.
Representative Walz recognizes my name, and the tone of his e-mails has changed ... not the message, but the tone. I have not been able to get away from work when he has been in the area, but some day I will. He and I are neutral right now. Too bad it is made up of views and opinions from the extreme opposites.
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Auto replies have been received from both offices telling me that they will be read and they care about me as a blah, blah, blah ....
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Bennet - D - Colo. yea
Udall - D - Colo. yea
Glad to see they got it right.
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On the Amendment (Thune Amdt. No. 1618 )
To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to allow citizens who have concealed carry permits from the State in which they reside to carry concealed firearms in another State that grants concealed carry permits, if the individual complies with the laws of the State.
Here is the link to the roll call of the vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00237
Holy Sh*t!!!!
Snowe and Collins both voted yes. Pardon me while I faint for a while...
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Here's another link from Snowflakes in Hell:
http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/ (http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/)
Both Senators (both Dems!) voted . . . .
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PA was 50/50
Casey (D): yea he usually votes pro gun
Sphincter (D): nay........go figure, he lives up to his name.
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Both of our Texas Republican Senators voted yea, no big surprise. It's a shame that we missed it by only 2 votes. We'll get 'em next time, hopefully is is brought back up in 2010 when we have a huge Republican majority.
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Actually there will be no Republican majority until 2011. (Election is November, 2010, but I knew what you meant, Kid)
Once more I am ashamed to be "represented" (and I use that term loosely) by Tom Harkin. It's time for that asshat to be sent back to his home in Puerto Wherever-the-hell-it-is-that-he-has-his-primary-residence, and retire.
Barring that, it's time for Tom's rope.
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Ok, thank you e-mail has been sent to Senator Grassley, and request for explanation (actually I did a copy/paste of your e-mail, m58) has been sent to Harkin. Let's see which one replies.
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no suprise from MA but the two VT seats voted against. ???
The state with NO CCW requirement, carry if you want too, open carry allowed, anyone from all 50 states can carry there as well and the two dimwits voted against.....
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no suprise from MA but the two VT seats voted against. ???
The state with NO CCW requirement, carry if you want too, open carry allowed, anyone from all 50 states can carry there as well and the two dimwits voted against.....
Can you say "party shills"?
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I was amazed that this was not as much a party line vote as I thought it would be. I think that with only a few changes it could go the other way.
I know that you'll never change our class clown, but if we could get Klobuchar to swing a little we'd be good. One issue is that these two are party line robots >:( And, Franken is more a New Yorker than anything else >:(
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Can you say "party shills"?
I don't know about you, but I don't want any rep that will only vote "party lines" I want one that will actually think, and lisen to thier constituents.
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Can you say "party shills"?
Leahy was not a surpise but the independant was a bit of a shocker....
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I don't know about you, but I don't want any rep that will only vote "party lines" I want one that will actually think, and lisen to thier constituents.
They have those?
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They have those?
In a perfect world.
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Surprise to me was that Wisconsin, that has no CCW, had a split vote. If you read the amendment it states that any state that does not offer CCW would not have to accept anyone else, so nothing would have changed in Chicagoland if this had passed, but they still felt the need to beat it down >:(
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Surprise to me was that Wisconsin, that has no CCW, had a split vote. If you read the amendment it states that any state that does not offer CCW would not have to accept anyone else, so nothing would have changed in Chicagoland if this had passed, but they still felt the need to beat it down >:(
Or maybe they just though it was an "anti states rights law" or that if it passed, WI would never get any type of CCW for fear of out of staters.
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Hard to believe Lugar voted Nay. Wonder who got to him??? ???
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I did email Sen. Bayh's office yesterday and he voted Yea. I figured I would not need to send a message to Lugar. What the heck??? Guess it all comes down to money and who would receive it and no one wanting to share!!! JMHO, take it or leave it. And go figure on the idiots in California and New York voting nay. >:(