The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: twyacht on July 26, 2009, 02:27:47 PM
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Late start, but squeaked out to a range closer to my house than the one I usually go to.
Using Winchester White Box 230gr Target/Range ammo. 100rds.
Federal HST 230gr JHP's.
Started at 10yds. and just got a feel for it. Recoil is no problemo. POA is POI. at that range, if I go at a steady firing speed, and remember to breathe.
Trigger is just fine for me, maybe sometime later if I can try one first I'll see about the "Glock Trigger job". Opinions from Glock owners who have had trigger jobs are always welcome.
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With WWB ammo 10 yds. They were all pretty much a big ragged hole.
Many groups at 10yds seemed like I was cheating, so I ran it out to 25 yds.
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Federal HST at 25 yds. and no prescription glasses, range was a little dark, (alright enough excuses :-X, more practice at that distance....) ;)
Seems my eyes are suffering the ravages of time, as I may have to start wearing my prescription glasses at the range. :-\
Overall impression?
Freakin sweet. Really liked it. Trigger right now for me is fine. Not as crisp as my 1911, but just fine. May swap sites out, I'll take suggestions if you got em'.
No issues of any kind.
Thank's to all who quietly enjoyed the Kool-Aid, and coerced, enlightened me to a fine pistol.
Zombies beware!!!
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Just think, you could have done all that AND looked good doing it with a Sig. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That looks great! Do you have a 21 SF or the regular 21? At 25 yards did you have to aim a bit higher on the target? I've been thinking about a 21 to shoot in IDPA, but I think I have too many guns right now...... ;)
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That looks great! Do you have a 21 SF or the regular 21? At 25 yards did you have to aim a bit higher on the target? I've been thinking about a 21 to shoot in IDPA, but I think I have too many guns right now...... ;)
Regular Block 21. At 25 yds. I was aiming 12:00 high on the bulls eye as an aiming point, the ventilation system kinda "swayed" the target slightly... Probably why the 25 yd string was high. I didn't stay too long as momma likes her Sunday dinners early. ::)
I think aiming 6:00 on bullseye would have netted the same result. I need to practice at distances over 15 yds, and try my damn spectacles. Near-sighted with astigmatism is killing me, especially when its rifle day... :'(
As far as a SIG,.....those guns in the safe have a habit of spontaneously reproducing..... 8) Birthday is in 3 1/2 months...
All contributons can be made to the twyacht now needs Sig Foundation...
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New sights? Have you thought about the HoMeBoY NyTe-SyTeS?
(http://)
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New sights? Have you thought about the HoMeBoY NyTe-SyTeS?
(http://)
Not yet, but I am taking instruction from this "professional gangsta shoota'"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewtfCKwDVzk&feature=related
:o
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I've shot a Glock with the lighter trigger and did not like it at all..... so try before you buy...... It might be nice for competition, but I felt it was just too light for a personal protection gun..... To me, the factory Glock trigger is just long enough and heavy enough that I feel very comfortable that it wont go bang unless I want it to.
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I've shot a Glock with the lighter trigger and did not like it at all..... so try before you buy...... It might be nice for competition, but I felt it was just too light for a personal protection gun..... To me, the factory Glock trigger is just long enough and heavy enough that I feel very comfortable that it wont go bang unless I want it to.
That is a big +1. Right now,for me, why change a good thing. If I shot competition, I would have a race version, as an SD pistol, they got the stock trigger good enough for me. My S&W 1911 that I spent waaaayyyy to much tweaking up, is the Luke Skywalker race gun for now,...
On a parts question,..
Who knows about the "slide stop release" that is slightly bigger than factory??? Being a lefty, I can get it fine with my left index finger, but I heard there is a slightly prominent version, that might be easier to put a finger on??
Thanks for the info and tips...Even the Homey Sights... If and when I get a used Model19 to just get and not have to worry about, maybe than... ;)
For an FYI
New Glocks at the range were $600 and up, M+P's $578 and up, ??? ???
This store/range is known to be high, but only within $25-$50 of the other dealers in town.... :-\
When will prices correct themselves, I paid $479.00 for my M+P .40 NIB Spring 08, $459.00 for my FN9 NIB Fall 08, all S&W 1911's were right about a $1000, Revolvers :o :o :o Holy smokes $500 and up, except for Taurus which was close...
Geez...
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Very Cool TW. If it works for you then, Glock it is.
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Just think, you could have done all that AND looked good doing it with a Sig. ;D ;D ;D ;D
i was looking into getting a sig a while back and test fired one down at the range... and well.... on DA the bulk of the grip and the angle of the trigger was just right so that i couldnt actualy get the gun to fire without substantialy altering my grip... however with this new grip i was about as accurate as a drunken gangster with both eyes cut out
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Aaaah, your assimilation to the Dark Side is now complete. ;D
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When will prices correct themselves,
to answer your question.. probably never
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I have a adjustable rear sight on my Glock 24. Fires dead on. All other Glocks I own or have previously owned had fixed sights. They all shot very well with the exception of my new Glock 22 RFT. Still trying to figure that one out. All triggers are set at 5.5 lbs. My Glock 24 is adjustable 4.5. I like it alot!!!! ;D My Glock 17's and my Glock 21 SF were able to make nice groups at the range. The Glock 21 SF does very well. I have fired the Winchester white boxes with ease. The Hornady TAP rounds fire the best and make the tightest groups with all my current Glocks.
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The Hornady TAP rounds fire the best and make the tightest groups with all my current Glocks.
Thanks Ping, I have fired Hornady in other calibers, in other pistols, with no issues ever, good to know for the next gun show Aug 15-16...
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I have both the Glock 21 and the 21C Compensated and love 'em both. I don't think there is a better pistol for reliabily putting a lot of lead downrange in a hurry. I have both the Trijicon Night Sights on one, and the standard sights on the other. Both work well for their intended purpose. Bill T.
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Thanks billt, I have had the Trijicon sights on another pistol and thought they were great in light and dark.
After some more range time, sights are looking very possible...
Although the 21 has such a wide slide on top, it's hard not to get even a point shooting target close...
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Just think, you could have done all that AND looked good doing it with a Sig. ;D ;D ;D ;D
...not to mention looking really cool by shooting 9mm and still having cash in your pocket.... 8)
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...not to mention looking really cool by shooting 9mm and still having cash in your pocket.... 8)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/45.jpg)
I love my FN9,...but it was the Zombie factor I got the .45...
If it wasn't for the extra ammo in the deal,...I'm still sitting on a stash....
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Forty Five.... When you absolutely positively dont want to make the guy suffer.
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That reminds me of a story a friend (retired LEO) told me once.
Back in the days when officers could carry basically anything as long as they could qualify with it, he carried a Colt Commander in .45 ACP with 230gr GI Hardball. He and his partner surprised two guys as they were backing out of a window at a local school building during summer break. When the two guys turned around they came face-to-face with deputies with drawn guns. One guy froze and one guy just shook a little and fainted straight away.
Later my friend asked the guy that fainted what it was that scared him so bad.
The BG said it was because "The hole in the end of the gun was so big, he could see the bullet sittin' in there".
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Just for the record, I don't mind Glocks at all. It's just that I have a design background and I think its safe to say that Glocks be ugly and Sig makes a pretty gun.
twyacht, how do you like the FN9? I currently don't have a 9mm and am vacillating between the FN9 and the Beretta Storm PX4. Waddya think?
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I currently don't have a 9mm and am vacillating between the FN9 and the Beretta Storm PX4. Waddya think?
I just recently went to the 9MM as well. These were my choices:
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Sig P-226 SCT
Glock 17
Glock 19
Since then I've added the Mini Glock 26 to the list. The same performance in the Mini package. Bill T.
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twyacht, how do you like the FN9? I currently don't have a 9mm and am vacillating between the FN9 and the Beretta Storm PX4. Waddya think?
Co-worker has the PX4, DA trigger pull covers two counties, and is UGLY also.BUT,, it is a Beretta, it works as designed, and is accurate. Kinda big for carry, if that's a consideration....
SA trigger pull is very nice and more along the lines of a quality pistol, which it is. (but still kinda ugly)... It works, and Beretta makes a fine pistol, like their other lines, they put a priority on the "next, latest greatest thing"
Glocks are "blocky" and yes, are ugly, so ugly, that there is an attractiveness to them. The G21 has a railroad tie upper, and almost as big, but will go bang 99.9% of the time, and is just accurate.
My FN9, is a combo of the sleekness,,, (is that a word?) of a Beretta, with the simple design and dependability of a "G" pistol.
The DA pull covers only ONE county, but when carried with one in the chamber, provides a level of comfort IMHO. If I have to draw and fire in SD, a long trigger pull will be the least of my worries,....It's really not much,..
Follow up shots, or manually cocked for SA, is like the Colt Peacemaker revolvers,: (grasp hammer pull back and "click") it's ready to go is rock solid.
The De-cocker is totally simplistic, with a design background, you will appreciate it's "keep it simple stupid" function, Just drop the hammer without going BANG. No "issues", need for recalls, etc,..PLUS it is cheaper than the Beretta, unless something has changed....
The FN9 was a great purchase for me, even though I was one of the last to get on the 9mm train. The ammo has made the cartridge better than the average bear, and the FN9, IMHO, fills the platform to utilize it.
My humble .02 cents....
Sounds like you have a "vacillating" itch for a new pistol?????
P.S. The Sig's are awesome, and without question, a fine pistol. If I had the extra "bling"... so many pistols, so little time... ;)
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P.S. The Sig's are awesome, and without question, a fine pistol. If I had the extra "bling"... so many pistols, so little time... ;)
That works in just about anything.
I am leaning toward the FN9 for most of the reasons you listed. The Beretta is intriguing because of the way the pistol works and it is supposed to be rather accurate. I haven't seen both pistols in the same shop so prices have been weird. If I am 'memberin' correctly, the Storm was a bit cheaper where I saw it.
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That works in just about anything.
I am leaning toward the FN9 for most of the reasons you listed. The Beretta is intriguing because of the way the pistol works and it is supposed to be rather accurate. I haven't seen both pistols in the same shop so prices have been weird. If I am 'memberin' correctly, the Storm was a bit cheaper where I saw it.
I paid $459 for my FN9,....now it's $479 to over $500.... ???
It is a user friendly no nonsense 9mm.
The Beretta is what it is,.. it works, its reliable, its accurate, (it's kinda still ugly too) but either way, is right up there.
Although for a review:
http://www.best9mm.com/
The FN9 is #2, behind the CZ-75, and it beat the "ugly one"
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The greatest Glock in existence is the 26 ;)
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The only thing I don't care for in the Beretta M-9 / 92-F series of 9 MM pistols is the size. They are just way too large for a 15 shot 9 MM. Compare one to a Glock 19 and the size difference is very apparent. Simply too much iron for what it deliverers. Bill T.
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The only thing I don't care for in the Beretta M-9 / 92-F series of 9 MM pistols is the size. They are just way too large for a 15 shot 9 MM. Compare one to a Glock 19 and the size difference is very apparent. Simply too much iron for what it deliverers. Bill T.
And the brass bounces off the top of my head ! I HATE BERETTA !
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I sold my Beretta 96 this spring and bought a Glock md. 22 . I'm with you, the Beretta was way to bulky. I sure do like this new Glock. It go's good along with my Glock 19 and yes the md. 26 is next on my list. ;D
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I spoke to a dealer at our last gun show and he said that he is dropping the Beretta Storm PX4. He said that he has had too many complaints and returns.
People have complained about the trigger and they just don't the feel of the gun in their hands.
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I love my Glock 23 in 40 cal. It was the 1st Glock I bought. I have a Glock 22 in 40 cal as well. They are great but I love my 1911's.
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I love my glock 23 in 40 cal. It was the 1st gloack I bought. I have a Glock 22 in 40 cal as well. They are great but I love my 1911's.
Your avatar has one of those "hog leg" wheelie guns though..... 8)
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Yep......Kid picked that for me. It's fun to shoot. I just love to shoot guns. My python and my 1911's feel the best in my hand. I wanted to start off with an avatar that was different. Have you ever shot a 250 lbs hog with a S&W 500?
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Have you ever shot a 250 lbs hog with a S&W 500?
No, but it sounds like a quick way to get BBQ!
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Have you ever shot a 250 lbs hog with a S&W 500?
No, but it sounds like a quick way to get BBQ!
Pulled pork