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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on July 29, 2009, 07:49:25 PM
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As most folks, I respect and admire LEO's for what they do. The vast majority are honoring the badge they wear, and doing a dangerous and difficult job.
BUT, what happens when the dash cam, and audio, catch LEO's conspiring to fake a report regarding a young women charged with DUI.
They are so busted.. Audio and Video at link.
http://www4.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI127131/
4 Hollywood police officers accused of doctoring arrest report
* Video: 4 Hollywood officers accused of doctoring arrest report
HOLLYWOOD, Fla. (WSVN) -- Hollywood Police have placed four officers on administrative duty after they were accused of doctoring an arrest report.
"Do you understand? Are you ready to begin. Go ahead," said Hollywood Officer Dewey Pressley back on Feb. 17. On that day, officers charged 23-year-old Alexandra Torrensvillas with drunk driving just after midnight on Sheridan Street in Hollywood.
Police cuffed her and put her in the back of a squad car. While she was inside, an open mic captured some what sounded like plotting and scheming going on outside. "We'll do a little Walt Disney to protect the cop, because it wouldn't matter-- she is drunk anyway," said Pressley.
Hollywood Police Officer Joel Francisco pulled Torrensvillas over at a green light. Francisco ended up rear-ending her car and would have faced a citation for following her too close. Pressley arrived on scene, wrote the report and made the arrest. This is the conversation outside of his police cruiser that night:
"We're going to bend this a little bit, OK, because she is so drunk so, it is what it is," said Pressley.
"Hey, you are the expert," said another officer.
"Well, I don't want to make things up ever, because it's wrong, but if I need to bend it a little bit to protect a cop, I'm gonna," said Pressley.
During the conversation, he remembers that Torrensvillas mentioned having a cat in her lap. "As far as I am concerned, I am going to put words in his mouth. She went to accelerate, a cat jumped out-- literally a cat jumped out the window. At which time he thought it could've been a pedestrian, which distracted him, because he was concerned, and that's normal. Before he comes to a stop-- boom. Hey," said Pressley, while another officer laughed.
In the end, the officer got off without a citation. Torrensvillas, however, was not so lucky. "Her penalty has doubled, because she was unlawfully charged with a DUI causing property damage for which she is not guilty of," said her attorney, Lawrence Meltzer. "By entering a crash into the picture that doubles and enhances the penalty."
The audio tape also reveals a conspiracy to say Torrensvillas had cut in front of Officer Francisco when in fact, he was behind her the whole time.
"The chief became aware of it originally, and as soon as he did, he initiated an internal investigation," said Hollywood Police Lieutenant Scott Pardon. "All four of the officers have been placed on administrative duties, and they will not be on patrol until this investigation is concluded."
I did not post this to antagonize anything.
Like everyone else we meet in life there are the good, bad, and ugly....
A young girl getting a DUI is one thing,; violating her rights, conspiring to cover up their screw up on her, regardless, is what jack booted thugs did in a previous time.
Chris Rock's advice would not have helped this BS.
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I used to trust and respect cops. Then I had to deal with them a few times. That changed my mind.
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Ahh my beloved state once again. ::) I hope the girl gets a walk out of this, or if not, I hope she owns town hall when she's done with them. Protect and serve? Who?
FQ13 who is a well armed Libertarian for a reason
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I think this is a perfect example of why people hate cops.
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I think this is a perfect example of why people hate cops.
As if we needed another reason.
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I used to trust and respect cops. Then I had to deal with them a few times. That changed my mind.
So, does that mean all cops can not be trusted and aren't worthy of respect?
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So, does that mean all cops can not be trusted and aren't worthy of respect?
Not at all. just like all politicians aren't crooked. But you're better off if you err on the side of caution.
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Not at all. just like all politicians aren't crooked. But you're better off if you err on the side of caution.
That's not what he said. I wonder what he got caught doing when he "had to deal with them a few times."
I shed blood, sweat and tears as a police officer for over 30 years. I've gone places and done things
for my community that most folks would not dare to think of going and doing. I've been stabbed, shot at and
I have killed. I've arrested the scum of the earth, people who most folks don't even like to think about.
I take great offense when some little man with a big mouth implies that ALL cops are this, or that! In my
experience, when I hear that sort of talk, it is from someone who got caught and wants to blame the officer.
Usually DUI or dope related.
If this gets me kicked off the forum, then so-be-it.
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That's not what he said. I wonder what he got caught doing when he "had to deal with them a few times."
I shed blood, sweat and tears as a police officer for over 30 years. I've gone places and done things
for my community that most folks would not dare to think of going and doing. I've been stabbed, shot at and
I have killed. I've arrested the scum of the earth, people who most folks don't even like to think about.
I take great offense when some little man with a big mouth implies that ALL cops are this, or that! In my
experience, when I hear that sort of talk, it is from someone who got caught and wants to blame the officer.
Usually DUI or dope related.
If this gets me kicked off the forum, then so-be-it.
Read through his back posts before you get all defensive, and start shooting your mouth off.
Yes it was dope or DUI related (forget which) but the pigs tried to screw Jumbo instead of the stoner for it any way. Just because YOU may be honest (Ever fudged paper work ? ) don't operate under the delusion that they all are, in fact the MAJORITY of younger cops are badge happy arrogant pricks.
You have to really work at to get kicked off this forum but that doesn't mean that you can jump to conclusions about other forum members with out people thinking you're a jerk and reading your future posts in that light.
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That's not what he said. I wonder what he got caught doing when he "had to deal with them a few times."
I shed blood, sweat and tears as a police officer for over 30 years. I've gone places and done things
for my community that most folks would not dare to think of going and doing. I've been stabbed, shot at and
I have killed. I've arrested the scum of the earth, people who most folks don't even like to think about.
I take great offense when some little man with a big mouth implies that ALL cops are this, or that! In my
experience, when I hear that sort of talk, it is from someone who got caught and wants to blame the officer.
Usually DUI or dope related.
If this gets me kicked off the forum, then so-be-it.
I want to start by sincerely thanking you for your public service. While I may not like some of the laws out there, I will always show respect for the cops that enforce them.
This is not the kind of forum that will kick people off for having a differing opinion, especially not when they are defending themselves or their profession.
There are many other current and ex-cops on this forum. I respect you all for taking a stand and performing one of the toughest jobs out there!!!
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I deal with alot of LEOs on a professional level, mainly to file police reports and evict people.( not so much more as I sold the property mangment company) Add in my contact with officers that is not work related. 9 out of 10 of the LEOs I've been in contact with are complete ass holes. Now there has been one agency that has been the expection. The CHP, I have never had a incounter with them where the officer did not act in a professional maner. I've also had CHP officers bend over backwards to help me out. every single time I've at the very least written letters to thier COs saying how pleased I was in thier professionalizm. twice I've catered lunch for thier entire field office.
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When I was a kid some cops beat one of my neighbors in the kidneys so bad he peed blood for days. They were careful not to leave a mark on him and got away with it. He was a really nice guy too and he became a minister after that. That was one of the first things that made me think cops aren't any good. It seems like the biggest difference between cops and criminals is a badge. Of course there are good cops too but I rarely ever see one.
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Pioneer
I get crap on this forum all the time for being a college professor. It seems every other poster has had a bad experience once and it somehow means we are all scum bags. Like you, I work my ass off and consistenly get good studnt evals and peer reviews. Like you I resent it. BUT there are a number of lazy incompetant jerks in my profession who will occasionally abuse their power. Its the same in yours. These are the ones folks remember. You shoud be pissed by the criticism, just not by the critic. You should be pissed at the ones who caused the problem in the first place. I had someone I thought of as a friend in grad school who was giving a girl a passing grade so she could keep her scholarship, on the condition she slept with him. He told me this and after getting him to give me her name, we were on about beer 9 at this point, he did. I turned him in the next day. I don't regret it either. You don't lie, cheat or steal or tolerate those who do, because if you do, they tarnish your rep by their actions. If more cops did this, and turned in abusive officers fewer people would hate cops. Just my .02.
FQ13
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Pioneer
I get crap on this forum all the time for being a college professor. It seems every other poster has had a bad experience once and it somehow means we are all scum bags. Like you, I work my ass off and consistenly get good studnt evals and peer reviews. Like you I resent it. BUT there are a number of lazy incompetant jerks in my profession who will occasionally abuse their power. Its the same in yours. These are the ones folks remember. You shoud be pissed by the criticism, just not by the critic. You should be pissed at the ones who caused the problem in the first place. I had someone I thought of as a friend in grad school who was giving a girl a passing grade so she could keep her scholarship, on the condition she slept with him. He told me this and after getting him to give me her name, we were on about beer 9 at this point, he did. I turned him in the next day. I don't regret it either. You don't lie, cheat or steal or tolerate those who do, because if you do, they tarnish your rep by their actions. If more cops did this, and turned in abusive officers fewer people would hate cops. Just my .02.
FQ13
Being one of the ones who dump on you I will say 2 things, first it isn't because "your a college Professor" , It's be cause I don't agree with many of your views based on my own reading and observations.
Second, your post sums up the point quite nicely.
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Being one of the ones who dump on you I will say 2 things, first it isn't because "your a college Professor" , It's be cause I don't agree with many of your views based on my own reading and observations.
Second, your post sums up the point quite nicely.
That was better than any BEER SUMMIT could ever accomplish,.......
Alright, I'll STFU now,.....brought extra nachos for the corner brigade anyway,...Oh, and Samuel Adams!!!!!American freakin beer!!!
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That was better than any BEER SUMMIT could ever accomplish,.......
Alright, I'll STFU now,.....brought extra nachos for the corner brigade anyway,...Oh, and Samuel Adams!!!!!American freakin beer!!!
I'm beginning to worry about BO, yesterday with The "asshole and the Officer". Now I've heard he's going to split a Keg with Michael Vick and a Pit Bull.
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My $0.02
Most units, departments and organizations reflect their leadership or lack of the same.
If your department is headed by someone who is political, constantly practicing CYA, you better expect the rank and file will do the same.
If your unit does the bare minimum of training and practice because it too costly, no time, not my job, you end up with the majority of barely trained employees.
If you have an old boys, us against them department, you'll see a double standard of behavior ingrained into the culture.
If you have outstanding leadership with a little management, you have people who will act and behave in a professional manner.
Ultimately it's up to the individual to live up to a set of personal standards but any organization that demands integrity from everybody will be something to be proud of.
Jumbofrank, I'm sorry your neighbor had an issue but that's a rarity in my experience.
My view - 80% good guys, 10% clueless, 10% in it for themselves.