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Title: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: fightingquaker13 on October 01, 2009, 11:48:56 PM

The issue of large caliber airguns came up in an earlier thread. I did a little poking as I like airguns and was amazed at what these big bore guns will do. Muzzzle loader velocities, untouched by gun control laws (except maybe discharge in city limits), and reasonably priced ($550 for the one in this article). This is just one of many reviews and videos of folks taking deer and hogs at 50-100 yards. Color me impressed.
FQ13
http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/909.html

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: Walter45Auto on October 02, 2009, 12:54:37 AM

I once Read an old G&A Article that said Lewis & Clark had .54 caliber air rifles on their expedition. Bad part about it is, some states have laws against hunting things like deer with airguns.

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: TAB on October 02, 2009, 01:00:38 AM

Quote from: Walter45Auto on October 02, 2009, 12:54:37 AM

I once Read an old G&A Article that said Lewis & Clark had .54 caliber air rifles on their expedition. Bad part about it is, some states have laws against hunting things like deer with airguns.

thats becuase some idoits out there want to use thier $50 .177  650fps air guns to try and take a deer...

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: fightingquaker13 on October 02, 2009, 01:01:38 AM

Quote from: Walter45Auto on October 02, 2009, 12:54:37 AM

I once Read an old G&A Article that said Lewis & Clark had .54 caliber air rifles on their expedition. Bad part about it is, some states have laws against hunting things like deer with airguns.

They did. When you think about it is the perfect TEOTAWAKI survival gun. No need for powder or reloading tools. Just a foot pump, some lead and a bullet mold. Its illegal to hunt with them in Fl., but that wouldn't cover hogs on private land as they are considered the property of the land owner.
FQ13

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: alfsauve on October 02, 2009, 06:34:27 AM

AND Lewis carried not just an "air rifle" but an ASSAULT air rifle with repeat firing capabilities.    This in 1803.

The definitive expert on Lewis' air rifle is Bob Beemen, considered by many as the father of modern air gunning.

http://www.beemans.net/lewis-assault-rifle.htm (http://www.beemans.net/lewis-assault-rifle.htm)

Also note that there have been numerous custom made large calibers air guns before Eun Jin, Sam Yang, & ShinSung started commercially making big bores.

I wouldn't mind having a BGMF Gargoyle in .452.   With a hand pump and a lead bullet mold it would make a great long term survival gun.

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: ericire12 on October 02, 2009, 09:04:06 AM

Quote from: alfsauve on October 02, 2009, 06:34:27 AM

AND Lewis carried not just an "air rifle" but an ASSAULT air rifle with repeat firing capabilities.    This in 1803.

The definitive expert on Lewis' air rifle is Bob Beemen, considered by many as the father of modern air gunning.

http://www.beemans.net/lewis-assault-rifle.htm (http://www.beemans.net/lewis-assault-rifle.htm)

Also note that there have been numerous custom made large calibers air guns before Eun Jin, Sam Yang, & ShinSung started commercially making big bores.

I wouldn't mind having a BGMF Gargoyle in .452.   With a hand pump and a lead bullet mold it would make a great long term survival gun.

But it didnt have a pistol grip or a bayonet and it did not have a CLIP larger then 10 rds, so its ok by liberal standards

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: Hazcat on October 02, 2009, 09:05:12 AM

Quote from: ericire12 on October 02, 2009, 09:04:06 AM

But it didnt have a pistol grip or a bayonet and it did not have a CLIP larger then 10 rds, so its ok by liberal standards

One of these days I'm gonna CLIP your wings!























;D

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: ericire12 on October 02, 2009, 09:11:34 AM

Quote from: Hazcat on October 02, 2009, 09:05:12 AM

One of these days I'm gonna CLIP your wings!
;D

This time it actually was not an attempt to get you riled up...... It was simply the third portion of a four pronged jab at the ignorant gun grabbers.

1. Pistol grip
2. Bayonet
3. Limited capacity magazine
4. Ignorantly designating a magazine as a clip

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 02, 2009, 09:21:06 AM

 I posted this before but yes Lewis and Clark had an air rifle along to impress the Indians. Must of worked, hell, it impresses ME .  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9WEsILY92o

These would make Red Ryder mess himself  ;D

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: Hazcat on October 02, 2009, 09:24:14 AM

Quote from: ericire12 on October 02, 2009, 09:11:34 AM

This time it actually was not an attempt to get you riled up...... It was simply the third portion of a four pronged jab at the ignorant gun grabbers.

1. Pistol grip
2. Bayonet
3. Limited capacity magazine
4. Ignorantly designating a magazine as a clip

Sorry! All is forgiven.  ;)

Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: ericire12 on October 02, 2009, 09:32:18 AM

Quote from: Hazcat on October 02, 2009, 09:24:14 AM

Sorry! All is forgiven.  ;)

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Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: Badgersmilk on October 02, 2009, 11:55:42 AM

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Title: Re: Now THAT'S an air rifle
Post by: alfsauve on October 02, 2009, 03:13:09 PM

Quote from: ericire12 on October 02, 2009, 09:04:06 AM

But it didnt have a pistol grip or a bayonet and it did not have a CLIP larger then 10 rds, so its ok by liberal standards

Actually the Girandoni air rifle held 20 rounds!!!  And could fire a staggering 22 rounds in a minute on one air charge.   There were additional air reservoirs and speed reloading tubes.   That was quite something for the turn of the century.

If you account for technological inflation it was definitely the assault rifle of it's day and might even qualify under some state laws today.

I suspect that not only was it to impress the natives, but given the long nature of their journey they may have been concerned on the viability of their black powder over the long trip.