The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: HAWKFISH on November 16, 2007, 03:39:29 PM
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I am curious of the views of other "gunminds" here. I am a HUGE Glock fan. It seems to me that most pistol packers either absolutely love them or they absolutely hate them. I currently own a G27, G23, and a G34. I have or have owned Springfield XD's, Smith & Wesson M&P's (nex best thing I have found to a Glock), and Ruger P's. All of which I considered good guns (I love all kinds). However, for me the Glock feels better, shoots better, and zero problems as compared to the others. I carry ccw with my Glocks all the time, as I have for years. I trust Glock. I have outshot many other kinds of weapons including some H&K's and Sigs. So pound for pound for their price range especially.. I don't understand why there are many people out there that hate them so. My first thought is why? I know to each and their own. And that is cool. I am just curious I guess and wanted to hear from other people that don't like Glock's, as to exactly why.
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I don't hate Glocks, I use a G19 as a carry piece, but I think what irritates so many other gun owners is that some people who have Glocks have "drunk the Kool-Aide" and insist that Glocks are "prefect". Personally, I believe that no such gun exists. Any mechanical item is a series of compromises.
Glock owners seem to like to crow about how much abuse theirs guns can take. I'm not really sure what the point of freezing your gun in a block of ice is. Another sore point is that Glock won't admit they've had to correct problems. Glock never has recalls, they have "product upgrades".
Anyway, Glocks are good guns and as long as my gun does what it is suppose to, I could care less what anyone else thinks.
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I don't hate Glocks either. Just not my preferred gun. I have a 17, mostly because I think everyone should have a 9mm Glock.
My preferred gun is the 1911. It just fits me. And I love my XD's And have had good luck with the M&P's. But with a Glock I really have to WORK at it. Not that that is a bad thing.
I took a kid, 20 year old, shooting a few months ago. He had not shot anything other than a .22 rifle before. He shot 1911, XD, .38 revolver, and did fine. But with the Glock he was awesome. If there's such a thing as a natural Glock shooter, he was it. Point is, it just "fits" some people, not me.
My only issue with Glocks is the cult that has built up around them. I have been to a couple of the GSSF matches. My Glock hat came the day after my first match, so I happened to be wearing a Walther hat. I caught so much crap for that. Sheeesh!
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I don't own a Glock...probably will someday but it's not high on the list. The reason is that to me, the Glocks are like the old Dodge Polara...sturdy, reliable, lean, and mean, with no frills and not a lot of style. NOT a cadillac, NOT a mustang. White bread. Spaghetti with salt and butter.
I hope that doesn't insult anyone's sensibilities but that's just the way it seems to me. Having said that though, they have a tremendous track record of service. So once again it boils down to "whatever floats your boat".
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I like my Glock 37. It fits my hand well, and makes it pretty easy to stay on target. The next time I will probably NOT buy a 45 GAP caliber. however, since the ammo is 'not as easy to find" as 45 ACP.
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I had a g22 for 17 years until I sold it and got a pt 140, absolutly great gun ,never had a problem, not as accurate as I am , what I mean is my pistols I have are better than me , the Glock was not. Plus Glocks have had more Kabooms than any other pistol. bUT IF YOU WANT TO TREAT YOUR PISTOL LIKE YOUR LAWN MOWER, GET A GLOCK. http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html
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I'm neither a Glock lover or hater but I do have an opinion about them. On the plus side they are reliable esp in regards to owner neglect. There are many after-market parts,low cost & plentiful mags & its a proven & durable design.The gun is light for CCW use & has been used very successfully in both IPSC & IDPA.The cost of new & used samples are in line with the rest of the market.I own a G17 & have owned or used G22-G34-G35 in the past.I,ve shot & even won some local IDPA & IPSC & GSSF matches with them.They are IMO however far from perfect.For me & many other 1911-type users they index high.If I can't carefully grip the gun my hand size & the Glock grip leads to a literally bloody hand.The factory bbl means no cheap lead bullet reloads,the magwell & mag design makes for a harder reload than than that with a SA XD or S&W MP (I'm talking about us mere mortals not Dave S here),when comparing tuned triggers the glock is not as good as the SA XD (best) or S&W MP (next) & in my hands if I use the straight thumbs grip I hit the slide lock (this btw is my only complaint with the SA XD).Many of these points apply to comp not street use & to my hands & grip not others.The problem IMO is that the design is dated & needs some upgrades when compared to then new kids (read the SA XD & S&W MP).The new kids are just as relliable with better ergos & while the durability issue is still to be absolutley answered I have seen no problems yet.The GLock is not a bad choice but IMO it's no longer the best choice.
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Back when I first started shooting (before Glocks, USPSA and IDPA) I found a civilian club that shot PPC. I bought a S&W K-38 Masterpiece and had a great time. Later, another club I belonged to started shooting the then new USPSA (IPSC). If the Glock had been around then it would have been easier to transition to/get used to the grip angle but it wasn't and I bought a 1911 and had all sorts of good things done to it. Now the Glock just isn't for me especially with the finger groove grip frame. If/when I buy a Glock it will be a used old model 19 or I will have someone build me one with the new aftermarket stainless or alloy frame which can be configured for grip angle plus it will have better sights (more suited for my old eyes). If I buy an XD,M&P or SR 9 the sights will have to be upgraded also. This isn't a criticism of the individual that thinks the Glock is out dated but to say that would be like saying the 1911 is outdated also!
One last thing, sort of a warning...I talked to a very knowledgable and gifted Glock armourer and asked him about the aftermarket thumb safety for the Glock (for those who think the Glock needs one) and he said, "DON'T DO IT!" the installation requires the frame be cut in a weak area and he has seen at least 4 recently where the frame split.
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Not a Gllock Fan........Nuff Said..... :-X
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I don't own a Glock. I've shot my son's G19 and a few rentals. I have an airsoft G17. Used int in FOF trainingl. If I knew now what I knew then...I have a Wilson CQB Compact .45. It is the best shooting handgun I've ever owned. It is a keeper. However, if I were starting out today with the same money I'd get a G26, G19 and G17 and have money left over for my Taurus Gaucho or my S&W 642 or....
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I too have only shot a rental a few times. Are you THAT impressed with them, Don? I might have to re-think my wish list.
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I too have only shot a rental a few times. Are you THAT impressed with them, Don? I might have to re-think my wish list.
I've been a "locked and cocked" guy since the early 70's. I've carried CCW with two different guns that way. I now pocket carry a snubbie. I now prefer no safety other than my finger off the trigger. For more fire power I would carry a G26.
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I'm With you, HAWKFISH! I love my GLOCK model 30. I don't carry it everyday, but I carry it a lot (at least once a week.). It's also my Nightstand gun. The only thing I don't like about them is the Crimson Trace Lasergrips for them. Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge Lasergrip fan, too, but the GLOCK models change the grip too much for my liking. So I have a Lasermax in mine. And a TLR-1 light on the rail at night.
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Hi every body,I own a G-23 and I putabout 1000 rounds threw it and after the first 100 rounds I wentahead and got a bar-sto barrel and it shoots great still tring to control my triger pull.when i relized it my groups were 2.5" at fifteen yards.but I love my Glock,and I think that everone is different just like the guns are all different there are no bad ones because even the best have lemons.what ever works for you to be able to hit that target as fast and acurate as you can.Thats were it counts.
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The 1911 IS a dated firearm. The 1911 upgraded with good sights (there are so many good ones just take your pick),a throated bbl so that it will feed all types of ammo,a b-tail grip safety so it will not bite the hand & an ambi thumb safety (if needed by leftys or for comp) is still at the very top of the handgun heap.Look at how many 1911 manufacturers saw the light & offer their guns just that way.I am not bashing Glocks but IMO they do need to be upgraded if they plan to keep being at the top of the heap.
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I am not bashing Glocks but IMO they do need to be upgraded if they plan to keep being at the top of the heap.
What kind of upgrades do you have in mind for the Glock?
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YES,I GOT GLOCK. I only own one, plan to someday get another. I currently own the tactical/practical model, the Glock Model 35, .40 S&W, stock non-ported barrel. Shot great right outta da' box and still shoots great. I have since installed a set of Meprolight Tritium night (moreover low-light) sights ( orange on the rear/green on the front). Also purchased/installed a Streamlight M6 light/laser combo, only drawback with this is no holster for it yet. Fobus makes a tactical holster for Glocks that have light/laser unit attached to the rail but the closest one, model #4281 is only for Glock models 17,22,and 31. In comparing the barrel and overall length of those three to mine, mine is longer in both areas by only .83". G35 barrel 5.32",overall 8.15" and the Glock models 17,22 and 31 barrel length is 4.49" and overall length is 7.32, difference of .83". Dog gone it, missed being able to use it by only that much... lol
I could and would honestly recommend a Glock to anyone who asked my opinion. In the end it just comes down to ones' own preference/s...
P.S. Loved those two (2) full auto Glocks seen on Shooting Gallery at the Knob Creek Hill machine gun shoot episode...Talk about rounds per minute. Was awesome to watch.
Glock_Meister
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Ok, I did say nuff said... But to clear things up.....
YES I do own a glock ( G26)
Yes I do carry it sometimes.
I Hate the polygonal rifing because your not suppose to shoot lead in it.
NOTE! wake up glock.... Kahr makes the PM9 with polygonal, but there CW9 has conventional rifing.
Glock sez, don't us lead.... They should offer it with a conventional rifing.
Clipdraw make a nice add so you don't need a holster, BUT warns that you should not carry it with one in the tube. why... No external safety.
Climbs down off the soap box......... :P
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I love my G22. It's light, accurate and fun. The problem is that .40 S&W ammo is more expensive to shoot than nines so I don't shoot it much. In a .40 cal the only thing more accurate is my CZ 40B...dead on!
Dave ;D
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The 2 main areas in need of ugrades are : (1) ERGOS -IN the age of equal hiring the size of cops,soldiers,swabbies,etc is NOT one size fits all.That Glocks do not fit just me is a fallacy b/c Robar & David Bowie do way too much work for it to be only my problem. (2) BBL-While reloading is not everybody s cup of tea the rising cost of ammo IS.Lead bullets can be much cheaper & are a good low cost practice alternative.The KB problem as noted in the 40 & 45 cals could be cured in the same fix.Let me repeat the Glock is a reliable ,proven,durable lightweight platform.Make it with i-c backstraps that include a beavertail,put a lead loving fully supported bbl & I would be the new poster boy for Glock.AS it now stands IMO Glocks are not the best SFA firearm & they will lose market share to the new kids esp the S&W MP.
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...the Glocks are like the old Dodge Polara...sturdy, reliable, lean, and mean, with no frills and not a lot of style. NOT a cadillac, NOT a mustang. White bread. Spaghetti with salt and butter.
Couldn't say it better. Fewer parts, easy field stripping and maintenance, tons of holsters, and lots of parts. I love the 1911, but never look forward to cleaning it after a day at the range. WIth a Glock, I'm done in one third the time. I've owned many Glocks, and the only failure I ever had was a bad WinClean round (wouldn't chamber in anything). That said, Glocks fit my hand perfectly, so other guns can feel funny.
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Couldn't say it better. Fewer parts, easy field stripping and maintenance, tons of holsters, and lots of parts. I love the 1911, but never look forward to cleaning it after a day at the range. WIth a Glock, I'm done in one third the time. I've owned many Glocks, and the only failure I ever had was a bad WinClean round (wouldn't chamber in anything). That said, Glocks fit my hand perfectly, so other guns can feel funny.
Guess you never cleaned or counted the parts in a Makarov. :D
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What I have against Glock’s
They all bite my hand with the slide. (Ok the web of my had is fat)
If you don’t grip the Glock tight they will not function (Female shooters suffer with this- I know training)
One size grip does not fit all
Non drop free mags – Drop free mags –no no really drop free mags
Glock can be very difficult to deal with as a company
Factory sights suck
Jon
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Guess you never cleaned or counted the parts in a Makarov. :D
Touche'
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I don't know why I feel this way - maybe because I grew up with a "fear" of firearms - but I have never felt comfortable with the trigger safety system on Glocks. I have an XD which is similar, but somehow I feel more safe with the dual passive safeties.
I only have fired a couple glocks (21 I think) and they didn't especially impress me. Someday I might buy one - but they are low on my list. Not knocking them - I just never felt a burning desire to have one like I did with my Sig and my XD. Next on my list is probably a 1911 variant, a revolver, and an AR-15... (or carbine)
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I've only sold 1 gun in my life... It was a glock. One of those deals where the price was too good to pass up. Put about 100 rounds thru it, over several trips to the range. It was not for me.
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Thanks for all the responses so far. It's been interesting to hear all the different views. ;)
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I don't care for Glocks based on the grip and safety record. I prefer not to have to pull the trigger to disassemble.
My preferences are several SIGs, XD 45, S&W M19, S&W M36, and of course the M1911. There is no preferred order in the list. I don't feel the need to carry much anymore. But the M19, M36, and M1911 have all been with me in combat or combat zones in past conflicts. But the only shots I took in combat were with the M2 Carbine, great weapon for an officer at the time, the M79, and that junky AR 15 that I borrowed from the Air Force Forward Air Controller for one mission.
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Hey bill , you dont have to pull the trigger to disassemble, dont know where you got that from
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I'm a big Glock fan, did not start out that way. I purchased a first gen 17 when they first appeared, I did not like the grip angle and it did not group well enough for me, I'm a revolver shooter and I am spoiled with good revolver accuracy. Next I bought a 17L, as one of my fellow competitors was loading it up to major ( which uspsa promptly shut down ) and again it did not group well enough for me. Next a 19, well it did group well, 1 3/4" at 25 yards for 10 shot groups, my boss wanted it bad enough that I sold it to him. Next came the model 21, it has become my constant companion on the street and in the woods, my requirements are a pistol that will shoot under 2.5" groups @ 25 yards, it does that with ease, for those who don't know, the .45 caliber is the only Glock barrel that is rifled conventionally, it's diet has been 98% h&g-68, 185grn lead swc for a very long time. I did change the recoil spring to the 40 S&W spring for the lighter bullets. The internals have been polished, 3.5lb connector installed, feed ramp polished, mepro light adjustable night sights, ( I like them for the very tall front sight. ) and a grip reduction done by yours truly. SEE Pic
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Next I won a model 34, it does shoot well and I made it into a competition pistol. It has a 2 3/4 lb trigger, custom stippling, Carver mount with a C More sight.
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Next I won a model 20, 10mm. Started off bad, but as I play with handloads, it is coming into it's own. I did a grip reduction, 3.5 lb connector and Bomar sights, as this it meant to be a hunting pistol. No pics as it is disassembled on the bench, and I'm trying to remove the truck bedliner material I used to coat it, really good grip surface, but ugly, even for me.
Next a 2nd gen model 17, thought I would try it again, and it shoots well, and has become the bedside gun. However, I take the top end of my model 34, with Warren Sights, and put it onto the 17 and voila, I have a 6" top end for practical/tactical or IDPA matches. Functions perfectly, and shoots just as well as my 34.
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These are all my Glocks, I really don't understand releasing the trigger for take down as a drawback, the Glock is much faster, safer and less likely to have things flying off at high speed, ( captured guide rod don't you know ) than some other types, but other types are catching up, when stripping for cleaning. All that is needed to strip a Glock down to it's components is a 1/8" punch. All that's needed for cleaning is your fingers.The finish ( Tenifer ) is the toughest on earth. Utterly reliable, Like revolvers. As I've learned the art of the Glock, it could be made better, at my first Glock match I told Chris Edwards, that they should incorperate different grip inserts for the backstrap for different hand sizes and shooters preferences, a year later he told me " Herr Glock disagrees", nuff said, but Walther picked up on it right quick with the P99 and now S&W and Ruger. The Glock grip has to be learned, if you've become accustomed to other pistols, it will feel odd. The natural grip angle is a very high front sight picture, This is actually a good thing as most shooters tend to flinch downward, if they have a flinch. So if your natural point of aim with a Glock is high in the chest and you jerk, your jerk will probably be middle chest or abdomen, not below the pelvis. Now that I've had so much experience with the large frame pistol with a grip reduction, the small frame pistols seem to point much better than I remember. The other comment about the Glock safety record is also troubling, I've heard nothing about this at all, the only thing I've heard has been pilot error. As for biting the web of the hand, you must have a mighty big meathook for the Glock slide to grab you. Can it be improved, Hell yeah, is it usable as it comes, Hell yeah.
My friends and I, have had the same question as many of you, if I could only own 1 pistol? What would it be, for me it would be a model 20 10mm. But if I could own 2 handguns, neither would be a Glock, If I could own 3, 2 would probably be Glocks. Just food for thought.
As you can tell I hate 1911's.
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And cz's
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And revolvers
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Hey 2HOW. It is in the owners manual which I have on my desk. I have had the pleasure of field stripping several. If you don't need to pull the trigger the owners manual is wrong!
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Hey bill , you dont have to pull the trigger to disassemble, dont know where you got that from
Every instruction I've ever seen heard on field stripping GLOCKs says you do, and I can't get the slide to come off of my G30 without doing so. Have you ever disassembled a GLOCK?
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I'm not exactly a Glock hater, but I don't like them at all. They don't fit my hand, they are far harder to repair than my 1911, and there are issues with parts and such that just add to my dissatisfaction. I f you like them fine, but I'll look elsewhere.
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Warhawke, I would like to know your references as to easier to repair a 1911, and parts issues with the glock. I'm a certified Glock armorer, which is a lot like being a Maytag repair man. The Glock pistol is by far the easiest pistol on earth to repair, as spare parts take ZERO FITTING, Sig claims that, but my Sig armorer buddies say not quite so. I am also a gunsmith that supports my shooting habit by repairing and modifying pistols and rifles. I'm a big fan of the 1911, but it is harder to repair, especially in the field if you have internal problems, as issued with 230 ball, most should perform for a very long time with out issue if kept reasonably clean. Accuracy with a GI pistol will probably not be up to snuff with most modern pistols, but just fine for engaging Orcs at defense distances. If you have a genuine government model, it can be disassembled 85% with fingers and a magazine. You will need a screwdriver and a punch to take out the mag release and the hammer and sear pins. I hope the barrel bushing is not to tight, or you will need to improvise, 2 magazines around the bushing will work, usually. Springs and small parts can disappear into the environment. The Glock is modular, nothing should ever fly away. Some people say the plastic guide rod is a weak point, but all of the broken guide rods I have seen were discovered during cleaning, they never stopped the pistol!!
There are a lot of good auto pistols out there, some I have experience in, some not, the new S&W M&P I would like to try, but after the Sigma, I reserve my opinion until further notice, the S&W semi auto's that I've owned all ran fine, no reliability issues, but the manual safety, magazine safety and DA/SA shift was too much for me. I'm a true believer in S&W revolvers, best in the business IHMO. I don't like the Beretta 92 for a lot of the same reasons people don't like Glock, grip is bulky, heavy double action, so, so single action, and small caliber for its size. Notes from the field talk about slide failures. But I've seen at least one guy at our local matches that can make one walk and talk. It's been said many times before, beware the man or woman with one gun. You can overcome most shooting problems with superior attitude and practice. I would also like to try the new ruger SR9, I fondled one at the last 2 gun shows and it does feel pretty good. I've not shot an XD yet, looks interesting. They are all trying to compete with Glock. In my experience, all Glocks are the toughest most reliable pistol ever built, despite their ergonomics.
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Me and Glocks? Simple , I don't like them. Call it "The Imp of Perverse" syndrome.
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Really though I know that they are very well made. I hated the one I had and if I'm going combat tupperware I'd get an XD. It's the only firearm I've ever sold that I didn't hate myself in the morning. If it works for you though by all means use the dang thing until it dies in about two hundred years
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Glock, so simple a monkey can use it!
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(http://freepatriot.com/imagewarehouse/glockvs1911cartoon.jpg)
I love this. The idea though that such stern measures must be taken to punish the Glock owner is testimony that the pistol stands toe to toe with the 1911.
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I am also a big 1911 fan. Currently I carry a Para Ordnance LTC .45. Great gun, great feel and shoots like a dream. But recently I have had the opportunity to shoot a friend of mines Glock 36 in .45. I have really been thinking of getting one of these as my carry gun. Nice size and nice feel. Still a 1911 fan, but that Glock 36 shoots awfully good.
Can I not shoot lead reloads in the Glocks? That is all I shoot in my others.
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Umm yeah.. you can shoot reloads in glocks. But, you have to be super careful and do one of two things. 1) Simply change out the barrel to an aftermarket one that is safe for reloads (lstorm lake,lonewolf,kkm,barsto,jarvis, etc.) or 2)constantly clean the original barrel and load it to basically factory-exact low power loads. It can be risky.. especially in Glocks chambered in .40/10mm. Basically if you change the barrel, it solves all your problems and can be more accurate too. I have shot reloads through both the original and the aftermarket ones. The aftermarket ones are the safe way to go.
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What is it about the factory barrel that makes lead so bad? is it a different style of rifling or what exactly is it? I like the Glock 36, but shoot lead bullts almost exclusively. I would sure like to get one of those, but the lead bullets, home cast, are hard to beat for price and availability.
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All the Glock pistols except for .45 caliber have polygonal rifling, the lands and the grooves are rounded, very good for copper jacketed bullets, but presents problems for lead, the surface is very smooth in design, and lead bullets can skate a 1/2" or more before catching and engraving into the lands and grooves, this leaves lead deposits, that can build up quickly depending on the hardness of the bullet and the velocity of the load. I shoot lead in my glocks, but am aware of the problem and inspect the bore often until I come up with a formula for how many bullets must pass, before cleaning thoroughly. Every bullet, caliber, load combination is different, I don't shoot lead at all in the 10mm, as I load them very hot.
Now the .45 caliber Glocks have conventional rifling, square cut lands and grooves, Why? I don't know, but it is usually the most accurate out of the box caliber for a Glock. I have shot thousands of H&G 68, 185 and 200 grain lead hard cast semi wadcutters from this pistol.
If you prefer lead, as I do, I would recommend any of the Glocks in .45acp or .45 GAP. Although I own many calibers, We all know the best start with at least .40 FWIW
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m25operator. Thanks for the info. I am even more interested now. thanks again.
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Ummm, yeah hawkeye1, I agree with M25operator. All but the .45 do have the polygonal rifiling. And the only other thing I could add to what he has said is the fact too, that the pressure on those polygonal rifiling Glock barrels.. do increase more and more as one shoots and lead build-up occurs. That creation of a "pressure cooker" is where "kabooms" and other so called "Exploding Glocks" occur. Usually people that had a "kaboom" reloaded super-high-pressure handloads and shot them through their Glock, thus exceeding the normal pressure range that glock recommends and that they test too. The result is the polygonal barrel will explode. Hence if one does change out to a conventional barrel that can handle this pressure then one can shoot reloads in Glocks, without any problems. And if one doesn't reload.. just make sure your Glock barrel is clean and clean it out often and the range and then any "normal" ammo you buy from a store will work just fine. I would like to point out too that I have shot a new Glock .40, using wwb ammo, to the tune of 800rds. straight out of the box with no cleaning. Looking back it probably would have been smarter to have cleaned it at some point during the first 800rds. But, I was "young and dumb" and had to prove to my anti-Glock friend that I could shoot a Glock .40 over 500 rds.....straight out of the box... without cleaning it ...and without it jamming a single time. My Glock passed this test easily and I ran out of ammo at 800rds. So, just wanted to point out that the polygonal barrel is good too.. BTW the Glock 36 is a sweet gun too.. :)
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thanks hawkfish. which glock(s) do you have or prefer. do you have a 36? Looks pretty good for a carry gun. I just hope there is a gunshow coming up soon.
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JUST LIKE SIGS BETTER
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Have four Glocks- 27, 23, 35 and 20. Love 'em all. The only modification is nightsights on the 35. I carry the 23 on a day-to-day basis, and usually shoot the 35 in the combat league.
I like the feel of the 20 the best. Fills the hand.
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well hawkeye1.. currently I have two .40's .. the G27 and the G23..and I also have a G34 in 9mm. My next Glock will be probably be a .45 auto, either a G21/G21SF/or a G36. I've heard good things about the Glock .45's. I have not shot a G36 yet, but I suspect that it would be good. I love the way the G36 feels and the size of it. It is just a little bigger than my G27, but just a little smaller than my G23. I almost bought one at the local gunstore, but decided to try the G27 instead. I like .40's. I know some people don't (usually die-hard 9mm or .45 fans). Heck, they are all guns and I like them all. I feel more comfortable with .40's though, because I feel that I get more "bang for the buck", if you will. I've done my own personal testing as far as shooting into blocks of wood etc with others and for defense purposes I feel like it's the best all-around-performer. Recoil is little more than a 9mm but not as much as a .45 or 10mm. My G23 is very accurate. I can shoot it as good as I can a G19. 9mm is cheaper to shoot though .40 cal ammo is in the median price range (if there is such a thing with ammo going up). At the time, I chose the G27 over the G36 because it was little smaller and had a little bigger magazine capacity. But, depending on your size/build and how/where you carry.. the G36 would make a great size carry gun for many people.. in my opinion. And as far as the lower capacity magazine of the G36 goes, heck one .45 shot is worth serveral other shots of some the smaller calibers. Sounds like your learning/doing research on Glocks. That is good. I would go for whichever suits you the best. I am partial lol. I would recommend any Glock ;D. But, .. if you do get a Glock ...I think you would like it. Most people either hate em' or they love em'. Usually, people that love em'; own 3-4 or more. To me that speaks for itself. If they weren't good why would people continually buy more of them? Okay, I'll stop now lol. Hope that helps some. 8)
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Thanks Hawkfish, I especially liked the 36 for the single column magazine. The other small models of the Glock are all double column and therefore wider. The 36 is really a sweet size for carry and for shooting. And for what you said about the 45 Glocks with conventional rifling and handling cast bullets, I am more and more sold on one.
Too bad they don't make a 40 in the single column.
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I carry a glock 26 every day with a pierce +2 ext. and have no problem keeping it covered, and with the right ammo the fact that its a 9mm doesn't bother me. I also carry a full size 17 rd. extra mag. with a grip ext. for additional fire power.
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I carry a Glock 31 as a duty weapon. It is sufficiently accurate, very reliable, and requires very little maintenance. It's a good, solid firearm.
But...
It just doesn't fit my freakin' hand! And I'm sorry, but to a guy my age (I'm starting my sixth decade) the damn things are just so...
plain looking!! They just don't seem to have any soul! I much prefer my 1911, or my S&W 686 in looks, ergonomics and pride of ownership.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Yeah.. IrishCop I too, wish they did have a few more hand sizes/grips avaliable in order to fit more hands out there.
Cookie62... I'm curious.. what kind/type/grain 9mm ammo would you recommend for a Glock? What works well in your G26? I use Speer Gold Dots in my .40's and they love them.
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I recently switched to Hornady TAP 124 gr. It will shoot anything I feed it though. Maybe 5,000 rds or so and nerver had a failer to fire. In 40 cal. I can only use winchester ranger 155 gr. (regulation ammo) in my glock 22, but recently switched to a 4" xd. Love them both.
cookie
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Carry a 23 (40) with Federal 155 grn HST. For light carry a Kahr P with Remmington 124 grn golden saber +P.
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After more testing and personal research. I have switched from 155 grain Speer Gold Dots, to 180 grain Speer Gold Dots. Out of my G23 the 180 is little more accurate and the penetration is better. At least this was my finding. Another one that I think is good is the Remington Golden Saber Bonded 180 grains. As for the 9mm's I use either 147 grain or 124 grain Gold Dots.
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I have a 17 and like it. It does fit my hand well. I was going to get the 19 but it felt too small in my hands. I had also looked at Beretta but for me it didn't feel right, but it does look cool. 8) :). As for the people that HATE them, I don't really get that, but to each his own. Anyways, I would reccomend one to anyone who was in the market, but if they tried it and did not like it, no skin off my nose.
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Really love the Glock 19.
Edited because I obviously can't tell 19 from 26. :-X
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As with any other tool the key to successful selection is testing. Our agency tested several firearms 11 years ago and adopted the Glock 22. Having started shooting with a 1911 it took a while to feel comfortable with the Glock. Looking back the only failures we've had on the guns in 11 years is two locking block pins breaking, and this was only discovered during an armory inspection. The guns continued to run despite the breakage. So for us the Glock was a good choice and it's easy to train new officers on Glock operations. But certainly each individual and each agency has to determine the correct overall best case when making such a selection. And yes, given the option I'd still be toting my 1911 every day.
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I guess that's not too bad for 11yrs. I have heard of a few minor things like that breaking or wearing out etc.. in Glocks. But, it is usually at the 5,000-10,000 round mark. And if it happens it is usually the bigger calibers seems like. I know a couple of guys that are well over 20,000 rounds without any breakages or malfunctions with their Glocks.
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I'm considering a Glock 19 to compliment my RIA Tactial 1911. I have always found the 2nd Gen Glock 17 and 19 to fit my hand better than the 3rd Gen guns with more checkering and finger grooves. Has anyone else found this to be true as well?
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I've been hearing really good things about the grips on the new Ruger SR9, They have replaceable backstraps to vary grip size. It's not an issue for me , but FWIT
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Ok, ok, I admit to being a huge Glock 9mm fan (see team Glock logo above). I shoot my 34 in IDPA and my 17 whenever I can...carry the 19 or 26 depending on dress and weather. Nothing shooting like the Glocks in 9mm. Well, untill I started shooting and carrying my SW M&P in 45. I love the size, weight, grip and the fact that it is 10 +1 of 45 ACP. Not to be out done, SW's M&P 9mm compact is sure a nice alterlative to the Glock 26 too. I might pick one up while SW is doing the $50. rebate and 2 free mags. hmmmmm. does this make me a convert? lol
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convert? lol .. I'm with you marksjackson. I still love my GLOCKS the most. But, the closest thing to a Glock that I have owned and shot was a Smith & Wesson M&P .40 cal. They are an awesome gun! I can still get better groups with my Glocks, but not by much. I've heard wonderful things about the M&P .45's.
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I have 4 main carry guns. A Colt 70 series 45, a pristine 4inch Colt Python, a Smith model 60, and a Glock 19. The Glock has never malfunctioned in any way. Neither has any of the others, but the Glock is the one I keep beside the bed, mainly because the wife knows how and is comfortable shooting it.
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I carry a 19 at work and will upgrade to a 17 in the future for commonallity with the rest of the crew. It's not a bad gun but I don't shoot as well with it as I do my Kimber 1911 which I use as my concealed carry gun. I have nothing against Glocks, they are great guns...just a matter of prefernce.
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I know they are great guns and reliable and rugged...however I still do not care for them. i shot my first one the day i discovered and fell in love with IDPA. I was loaned a Glock 17 by a lady who had more then one gun. I shoot a Taurus 92, and am used to the way it recoiles. the Glock made the second shot of my once fast double taps miss completely over the target.
Unless a super great gun show deal or a gift i will never own a Glock, however they have become a staple in the gun community and deserve a fair shake by anyone looking for a good firearm.
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Glock owner, but not really a fan. I like Glocks, but I consider it a working gun. That means I carry it and if it gets mangled or lost, I'm not going to get upset. I consider the Glock to be just one part of the expense of personal defense.
I am a fan of 1911s...but I don't own one. I love how they look, feel and handle (I really liked someone's bald Caspian...there was NOTHING on the slide other than rear serrations and sights). However, my experience with 1911's have been bad. Part of it is my self-defense focus; for competition I would have to have one. Gunsmith tuned 1911's are the reality of today's competitive environment. Yes, there are some exceptions to this.
When people complain about how the index of the Glock is high, my main question is: "What are you using it for?" If the answer is "defense", then the next question is: "What is the context of the fight for which you are training?" Close, personal confrontations do NOT require one inch at 25 yard accuracy. The goblin is not going to notice the difference when you shoot him to the ground. If it points a tad high...so what? Surround the gun with his body and pull the trigger! There won't be time to get a good sight picture. There will be even less time if you're in contact with the goblin, then it turns into desperations shots to *any* available body part. Is the Les Baer accuracy guarantee even needed? Of course not...for those situations.
Put handgun precision and accuracy in its place: the gun range. Determine the level needed for the application and set your expectations accordingly.
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crebralfix, Look into the Rock Island Armory 1911, 100% interchangable with Colt good accuracy and reliability and $400 or less. Distributed by Sarco
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I've got a G22. It works great, but is a little large for my hand so it's not as comfortable to shoot as my other pistols. Not as accurate as my others either. I feel a little limited with it as well since I can't shoot lead through it according to Glock. I want to trade it for something different, but haven't determined which animal to get yet.
Dave ;D
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The first handgun I purchased was a Glock 30, and it is still my favorite. With a double stacked magazine it is a bit big in the grip, but with a double handed hold it's almost perfect. I normally shoot at 25 yards with a double handed stance. I'm no hotshot but almost all the rounds go in the red and it's not uncommon for me to group them in 3-4 inches. The sights are good on the Glock and I've never had it fail to feed or misfire. The gun just works. With 10 rounds plus 1 I'd feel pretty confident with the gun in a firefight. It doesn't carry the number of rounds that most 9s do, but I think a single hit with a .45 is more likely to be effective than one with a 9mm. At least I don't have to worry about the gun itself failing to do it's job.
The down side is that it's a bit big to conceal with summer wear. For that reason I normally carry a Kel-Tec P3AT
or Kahr P9. I think the P9 is a really great conceal weapond.
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As I have said in other posts, I am a 1911 guy with a snubby in his pocket. I also like a Glock from time to time. They have thier place. I do not want my 1911s or my pretty blue snubbies out on the gulf or at the beach. The Glock goes there. If I know I will be in a situation where I may have a "gang" to worry about, the Glock Hi Cap 26 is on my side. Most every gun will fall into one of a handfull of gatagories, and each catagory has a nitch. One must ask "were am I going, and what is the threat I or my gun will face". Then hope you have a selection of tools to choose from. If I had to pick just one.....stainless .357 snubby with laser grip and a full six round cylinder.
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My son, a police officer, mentioned he wanted a match grade barrel for this Glock. I asked if he was going into competition. No, he said, I just want to shoot the bad guys more accurately. :o
So, we are looking for advice on a match grade barrel. Any suggestions?
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I can't help with the barrel, but pass along a pat on the back...it's a tough job these days.
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AMEN, with Jay. I like Don's son's work ethic. Mac.
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Don,
Check out Bar-Sto. They have a good reputation. I've have one in my glock 22.
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Sounds like my logic I love my 1911's and Sigs but when it comes to a gun that I may take and and have to leave in my car (not a good Idea) I 'd rather replace a $500 glock than a $1,000 1911. One thing I have found on the glock is it's versatility. I have a glock 26 that I carry with the standard mag in a ankle holster as a backup. If I want to change carry position to say a waist or shoulder holster, I change to a model 19 magazine with a grip spacer. It works well.
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Yes. My father owned a G34 for target shooting. I remember it as a good shooter, but rather "boring" in the scheme of many other guns I've shot. I proceeded to go through numerous calibers, revolver vs. auto, and other autos before returning to a Glock 19... the gun I should have started with. Since I got my CCW, the Glock 19 is what I carry, and my wife now is the proud owner of a new G26.
The only think I remember telling myself is "Glock's feel like handling a phone book, b/c they are so thick." After carrying a Sig P220 for some time, the Glock felt really thin. Glad I came back.
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I carry a G30 as my everyday carry gun but I'm open minded and if I find a .45 I think is better for carry, I'll switch. I keep my Ruger P90 under the seat of my car and am breaking in a Springfield XD but suspect it will become my bedside gun since I can mount a light on the Springfeld unlike the G30 I have.
Drinking any kind of "kool-aid" is dangerous as you might pass on a great gun because it's not the right "brand". I was swayed for a while by the anti-9mm crowd because of the stories of under-penetration, filling the hollow-point with a patch of leather from a jacket, etc. But I finally pulled my out, looked around and realized that I really do live in Vegas and for 9 months out of the year, I'm facing people wearing t-shirts and really don't have penetration issues with clothing. So I bought a Springfield EMP and am becoming comfortable with that gun. I still feel more secure wearing a .45 every day but do plan on picking up one or two .40 models in the coming months and getting familiar with that caliber.
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Me and a friend went thru a drill of disarming and retention he has never dealt with a 1911 and could not in a moments notice work the safety , I on the other hand just pulled the trigger, point is if your up against someone who is bigger or all drugged up it could turn out very bad for you. Just my opinion
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Don, for barrel recommendations.. cookie was right Bar-Sto is considered best by many. Others include Jarvis, KKM, Lone Wolf Distributors, and Storm Lake. All of them are good and have more chamber support so that one can safely shoot reloads if they wish. Although, even the barrel manufacturers say it will void their warranty, etc. ... as a saftey precaution. I do have a couple of Lone Wolf Glock barrels. They seem good and are drop in (Bar-Sto mostly drop in.. some have to be gunsmith fitting because of their tight tolerences). LWD barrels are more accurate that stock. But, not like light and day. But, they are cheaper too.. so??? Hope that info helps.
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I own a G19 and G26. My next Glock purchase will be the G34. I can't get enough of 'em.
Glocks may be considered "no frills" shooters but that's fine with me. Consistency is a good thing.
I think everyone should own a G19.
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I love my G22! There are many nice guns out there but this one is mine! ;D
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THEY ARE THE UGLY AND THEY REMIND ME OF WHAT THE THUGS CARRY IN MY HOME TOWN (DETROITE) CANT STAND THEM IF YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT FEELS GOOD TRY MY WALTHER P-38 BANNER EDITION THAT FEELS LIKE IT IS PART OF YOUR HAND AND IT WILL NEVER FAIL YOU. ( WHOMPY)
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THEY ARE THE UGLY AND THEY REMIND ME OF WHAT THE THUGS CARRY
No need to yell. (all caps)
Yeah, they're ugly. They also stand up to conditions that I would NEVER subject my pretty 1911's or my very nice looking revolvers to.
My G27 has suffered years of torment under my beer gut in Arizona summers. The only thing that has needed a touch up to the finish is the side of the aftermarket rear tritium sight.
The first time I saw a Browning BDA 'way back when' I thought it was hideous. Several Sigs later, I have obviously embraced the "form follows function" philosophy. Ugly is as ugly does. The G27 ALWAYS works and it's small so it gets the most carry time. My 1911's always work too, (or I wouldn't own them), but they're large and heavy so they don't get carried as much esp. CCW.
Many of the thugs of the '30s carried JMB's masterpiece. Like everyone else, gangsters carry what is popular. You can't fault the tool for that!
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Yep.. ;D
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Love, love, love, love my Glocks! There is a very short list of guns that I would trust my life to and Glock is at or near the top. They are by far the ideal gun for personal defense. They are light weight, reliable, and affordable. A gun is a tool and it all really comes down to what the intended job is for your gun. They would not be my first choice for trying to win a shooting match (Although, I can out shoot all of my buddies at the range with my Glocks) , but my G26 with 10+1 9mm+P is all the gun I would ever need for a CCW (and with a 33 round mag it is also great for home defense).
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Bought the M+P .40, because it FELT better to me. My partner has a Glock 27, shot it many times and will add a Glock to my quiver soon. It is a top notch reliable handgun without question.
My partner shoots my M+P and vice-versa he is waiting for the funds to get the compact model S&W.
It's like a brand new Vette, or a Mustang, both kick A**, but its a personal thing.
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THEY ARE THE UGLY AND THEY REMIND ME OF WHAT THE THUGS CARRY IN MY HOME TOWN (DETROITE) CANT STAND THEM IF YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT FEELS GOOD TRY MY WALTHER P-38 BANNER EDITION THAT FEELS LIKE IT IS PART OF YOUR HAND AND IT WILL NEVER FAIL YOU. ( WHOMPY)
It's a Gun... Not clothing, a car, jewelry, art, or a spouse. The looks should not be the deciding factor, and if it is the gun isn't for shooting. Their is a difference between a collector's/ safe queen and a gun for practical use.
My deciding factors in choosing a gun, in order
1. Does it go bang?
2. Ok, does it still go bang?
3. Can I shoot it well?
4. Does the size fit my application?
5. Does it still go bang?
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solid, twyacht, ericire12 I agree.. ;)
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I started off with a strong dislike of Glocks but then again I had a more PC view of how a pistol should be in the past (mandatory safety or TDA similar to my dad), but as I learned more about firearms in general and began shooting pistols I came to some realizations that before I wouldn't have considered years prior. Glocks are what they are: an all business, extremely reliable, KISS simple weapon for self defense and I love 'em for that. The grip angle isn't a problem for me, I shoot just as bad either way :D.
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THEY ARE THE UGLY AND THEY REMIND ME OF WHAT THE THUGS CARRY IN MY HOME TOWN (DETROITE) CANT STAND THEM IF YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT FEELS GOOD TRY MY WALTHER P-38 BANNER EDITION THAT FEELS LIKE IT IS PART OF YOUR HAND AND IT WILL NEVER FAIL YOU. ( WHOMPY)
While I certainly wouldn't argue your right to your opinion and I personally really like P-38's... seems to me the original users of the P-38 we're about as thuggish as thuggish gets.
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Shot my second USPSA match today with the G34. Dropped in a Wolff competition spring kit and the 25 cent glock trigger job. Flawless from the factory. visible sights and a joy to shoot. Yes, black plastic and ugly. But I love it !
Addict
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Neon Knight Anubis.. your post reminds me of a guy I met at a gunshow awhile back. He saw my Glock case and commented.. "Oh a Glock fan huh.".. So we stated talked and he began to tell me how he at first absolutely hated Glocks. He thought they were ugly plastic junk, as he called them. Then he told me how someone coaxed him into shooting one. And he shot very well right off. Well, the more he shot it, the more he liked it. Long story short, he gave up his 1911 and now only owns, shoots, and carries Glock and nothing else. :) I was like well, "Congradulations man." He said that they are probably lots of 1911 owners out there that would truely like Glock if they ever shot them.
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I agree addict. ::)
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THEY ARE THE UGLY AND THEY REMIND ME OF WHAT THE THUGS CARRY IN MY HOME TOWN (DETROITE) CANT STAND THEM IF YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT FEELS GOOD TRY MY WALTHER P-38 BANNER EDITION THAT FEELS LIKE IT IS PART OF YOUR HAND AND IT WILL NEVER FAIL YOU. ( WHOMPY)
Ya know, the gun grabbers think EVERYONE who owns a gun is a thug. That don't mean we are. And GLOCKs are also what the police carry. So they could also be called cop guns. If I remember right, the Nazis could be pretty accurately described as Thugs, too for that matter. Thugs carry revolvers too. Had one try to buy one off of me at a gun show once. They carry what they can get their hands on. Not too long ago they were all into Berettas. Every gun ever available to civilians has been used by thugs. The SKS and AK47 have been the choice of more than their shares of thugs and gang bangers. But I ain't gonna let that stop me from owning a good gun that I like!
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guess i have to way in on this one. i was a died in the wool 1911 fan. I actually started with the glock 9's then the 45's. Because all i ever heard was how finicky 1911's were. Then i shoot one and sold the glocks and was content. I went through other revolvers, makarov's, ruger's etc. the only got i regret selling was the makarov fun little gun to shoot.
I digress, anyway I ran across the 10mm round and started doing research and found that glock 20 was build for that round and has been around actively longer than most other manufacture models.
Figured i would give the glock another try. I mean the 10mm round is the best all round versatile round out there and you have 15 rounds in the mag.
I have really had to work at the trigger and grip. the glock trigger is not a 1911 and will never be one but my discipline is getting better.
the glock is super simple to field and detail strip.
The various glock abuse threads that i have seen demonstrate its reliability under very adverse conditions. conditions that i don't think many other weapons could endure.
in short the glock is becoming my weapon of choice even over my 1911 and that surprises even me. What can i say i have gone over to the dark side and it looks mighty good.
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guess i have to way in on this one. i was a died in the wool 1911 fan. I actually started with the glock 9's then the 45's. Because all i ever heard was how finicky 1911's were. Then i shoot one and sold the glocks and was content. I went through other revolvers, makarov's, ruger's etc. the only got i regret selling was the makarov fun little gun to shoot.
I digress, anyway I ran across the 10mm round and started doing research and found that glock 20 was build for that round and has been around actively longer than most other manufacture models.
Figured i would give the glock another try. I mean the 10mm round is the best all round versatile round out there and you have 15 rounds in the mag.
I have really had to work at the trigger and grip. the glock trigger is not a 1911 and will never be one but my discipline is getting better.
the glock is super simple to field and detail strip.
The various glock abuse threads that i have seen demonstrate its reliability under very adverse conditions. conditions that i don't think many other weapons could endure.
in short the glock is becoming my weapon of choice even over my 1911 and that surprises even me. What can i say i have gone over to the dark side and it looks mighty good.
OH NO, A Hawkfish clone ! ;D
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Pay no attention to that Glock behind the curtain.... ::)
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I love my Glocks. I purchased my model 20 in 1996 and liked it so well I sold my 1911. When I met my wife and she wanted to buy her first gun we got her a model 22. Her small hands did have some trouble with the trigger reach on her model 22. She had to rotate her shooting hand to get to the trigger. This caused her thumb joint to get sore on long days at the range. We got her a S&W M&P 40 and it fits much better with the interchangable back straps. But now I have her model 22 and I love it. I have never had a failure to feed with either Glock (can't say that for my 1911). Glocks are ugly but great guns maybe not for everybody but reliable as heck.Glocks rock.
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I finally met Frau Glock 21 last week.
It was love at first feel.
Sure, she's a burly, Germanic chick, but she fits my hand well, and hits ALL my buttons. :)
How much does she like me? She told me her first name was Gerda. :-*
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Don't forget to keep her lubricated.
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Congradulations Dougdubya! :) Nice choice...
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Don't forget to keep her lubricated.
I thought lubricating a Glock voided the warranty. ;D Congrats on the Glock 21, Doug!
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HAD to drop some cash on the stupid Ill-inoise FOID. I was going into recoil withdrawal.
$15 a year - friggin robbery.
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Glock's are good, but not perfect. The new polymer pistols (XD, M&P) are passing them by. They need to keep up with new advances to stay competitive. Adding interchangeable backstraps, including one to replicate the 1911 grip angle,would be huge.
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Glock's are good, but not perfect. The new polymer pistols (XD, M&P) are passing them by. They need to keep up with new advances to stay competitive. Adding interchangeable backstraps, including one to replicate the 1911 grip angle,would be huge.
Tell it to Gaston Glock. Oh, wait.... you can't....... He has his fingers in his ears:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2105.0
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I just bought a Glock21sf..and so far I love it. The trigger took a little getting used to, but by 2 boxes of ammo it was fine.