The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: alfsauve on October 30, 2009, 06:56:29 PM
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The HWH thread showed pictures of the "man bag/holster". I made one of my own many years ago, but it was rather crudely sewn though I regret throwing it out. I replaced it with a Compaq carrying case for an external disk drive. It fits my PPK/s almost perfectly. (And when someone asks me, "What's that?" I tell them the truth, "That was made for carrying an external DVD drive for a laptop.")
I have several carry situations. I work in a place, restricted by law from carrying, so I can't carry into work. I need a place to store it in a vehicle, as well as a holster that I can put on and take off easily.
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Here it is closed up. Next to it are my IWB holster for everyday, in and out, off and on wear. And what I refer to as my "formal" holster (thumb break Bianchi) for when I know I'm not going to need to take it off.
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Me, I use an el cheapo Galco, inside out IWB. I got it free with the Glock. I thought it would just be a place holder till I got something better. Guess what? I love it. Its a soft inside out leather with a thumb snap. The only down side is that because its soft, reholstering is a two hand job. Still, its comfy and works great. Otherwise, I just stick the gun in a pocket. I have a pocket holster on order from Frisco, but even without it, it rides fine. I wear pleated Dockers, and with a folded bandana, my G 26 doesn't print. Yeah, there's something there, but it doesn't scream gun. I use cargo pants for hiking, and the pocket is below the the hip belt of my Gregory pack (North Face is a bit wider and might interfere). No worries, no unsightly bulge, just a nice 9mm, or a .38 j frame if that's what works for you, ready to go. If I wanted something bigger like a .357, I would look at a chest rig. But purely for SD, a 9mm in the pocket will work and it doesn't scare the neighbors. Not to revist an old topic, but for tactical and political reasons, I prefer carrying concealed to open carry (just my .02, carry how you want to). The thing is, if I'm wearing pants, I'm carring a gun. You just won't know it until I show it to you. That's the ideal at least, and I pay attention to my wrdrobe and outdoor gear to make that a reaity as best I can. I don't want want to make a political statement, I want an ace in the hole.
FQ13
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For the last 90 days or so I've been using a Shoulder holster my Dad made for me under a "fishing vest" I use the pockets for phone, 1 spare mag, (I have a 2nd on one in a pocket knife pouch just behind the holster tie down on my belt) Knife, note book, Pen, light and other pocket trash. The lumps and bulges of all the stuff in my pockets completely hides the fact theres a 1911 under there ;D
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Glock 27 in a Blackhawk SERPA CQC holster on a 13/4" Classic Old West Styles gun belt (extra thick).
Two spare mags in my left pocket (have not found a mag carrier that I like).
Sometimes my Colt Commander in a Ted Blocker IWB. Had the Ted Blocker for nearly 20 years and it is still a good carry rig.
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Right now its this...
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or a IWB, or a jack ass rig.
its not practical for me to carry every day at this time.
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TAB, Have you tried an extended thumb safety, I just changed mine and I can't believe how much easier it is to work and I have had no problems with it "wiping" off while I was carrying.
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no, but I've never had a prob taking them off. My thumb is on the safety when I grib the gun.
A 1911 still needs to have the grp safety depressed and the trigger pulled for it to go bang.
While I don't recomend it. it is perfectly safe to have the safety off, while carrying. Infact its safer then say a glock which only needs to have the trigger pulled for it to go bang.
http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/The_AnkLe_BiTeR/?action=view¤t=Picture047.flv
I made that awhile ago after a thread on here.
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Yeah, I know but I still don't like when it happens. ;D
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Really hot weather or winter under a coat. High Noon Slide Guard.
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Don Hume JIT for IDPA and range and normal day to day.
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Another Hume JIT
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Kydex AHolster for pockets during cargo short weather.
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Lucky for all of you, no porn of actual carry ...
I carry a s&w 442-2 Airweight in .38 +P in an Uncle Mike's Sidekick in my right front pocket, and I carry a s&w 1911 (gov.) in a Bianchi iwb on the right hip. I have removed the snap tabs from the Bianchi. I also carry a Surefire 6P in the left front along with a 3" lockback. Knife is nothing special, but it is a handy tool.
After MB's podcast a couple weeks ago I have renewed my search for a SafePacker (actually penny search for the purchase). I have also been looking at some cheap kydex holsters for mounts inside vehicles.
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Today is my S&W M&P 340 with Hornady .38 SPCL +P 110 gr Critical Defense inside a cheap Galco IWB carried cross-draw and my NAA .22 mini loaded with SSS 60 gr .22LR in my right front pocket.
Some days I carry just my NAA, some days my M&P inside a homemade pocket holster in my left front pocket and some days my PPK/s either in a Bucheimer OWB or in a Gunskin IWB.
With the cooler temps I am more able to wear either OWB or IWB and not as much pocket carry as during the hotter months.
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Usually the nickle S&W model 38 carried in the old Courtland holster on a regular dress belt worn crossdraw, under a t-shirt, polo shirt or sweatshirt.
If, depending upon my destination, time of day, manner of dress, and several other criteria it may be the Glock 27 in that El Paso Saddlery 'High Slide'. Both are equipped with alternate methods of carry, the Smith wears some Barami grips and the Glock a Clipdraw.
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(have not found a mag carrier that I like).
+1. A good mag carrier has me stumped, too.
I have three holsters for my Glock 23: A safepacker, a Blackhawk SERPA paddle, and a Crossbreed supertuck.
Carry ammo is TAP or the Fiochi copy of TAP's.
Cover garments:
Duluth Trading sportcoat (it is a perfect mix of a sportcoat and an old Carhartt barncoat.)
Patagonia micropuff vest (the granola logo is great diversion).
Aloha shirt.
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My EDC is an M&P 9mm full-sized in a TT Gunleather IWB. Soon it'll be a .45 M&P full-sized as the weather is getting cooler and the potential assailants cover garments are getting heavier.
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............... Soon it'll be a .45 M&P full-sized as the weather is getting cooler and the potential assailants cover garments are getting heavier.
Great point.
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Great point.
And why I carry 185 gr this time of year.
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230 grains of one size fits all ;D
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Two spare mags in my left pocket (have not found a mag carrier that I like).
Here's a couple links for mag holders I really like the desantis it keeps my spare full-size mag properly orientated and dust bunny free in my pocket.
http://www.desantisholster.com/storefrontB2CWEB/browse.do?action=refresh_browse&ctg_id=120018
And the Tec-Lok on these make them real easy to take off and put on with out having to remove your belt!
http://www.blade-tech.com/Single-Magazine-Pouch-with-Tek-Lok-IDPA-APPROVED-pr-834.html
For me these days I usually pack a M&P9c in a Crossbreed Supertuck, or a Colt Mustang Pocket-lite .380 in a Kramer pocket Holster.
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For anyone else who carries a NAA , a modified glasses case in front shirt pocket.
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Normal, J frame 9mm strong pocket galco leather pocket holster, 2 moon clips left pants pocket. 2 flashlights, 1 emt knife, one folding pigsticker.
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For anyone else who carries a NAA , a modified glasses case in front shirt pocket.
Or a cut down eye glass case for front pants pocket carry.
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Or a cut down eye glass case for front pants pocket carry.
No offense, but if finances permit, I'd really reccomend a Bond Arms derringer instead. It's not much bigger and you can get it in .357 or .45 colt, or even 10mm. It has interchangeable barrels like a Contender. The dumbest thing I've done recently is trade mine in on a G26. I really wish I had that gun back. Slip it into the front pocket of your jeans and it vanishes or but it in your back pocket with a wallet profile holster. They are $500 well spent. Built like a tank and made in Texas.
FQ13
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No offense, but if finances permit, I'd really reccomend a Bond Arms derringer instead. It's not much bigger and you can get it in .357 or .45 colt, or even 10mm. It has interchangeable barrels like a Contender. The dumbest thing I've done recently is trade mine in on a G26. I really wish I had that gun back. Slip it into the front pocket of your jeans and it vanishes or but it in your back pocket with a wallet profile holster. They are $500 well spent. Built like a tank and made in Texas.
FQ13
Hey FQ13
I would love to have one but it's not on the approved list out here so I wouldn't be able to have it on my CCW. Nothing that Bond makes is approved for sale in CA. Same as the Ruger LCP and Taurus Judge and lots of other hand guns.
I do get to pick up my G27 on Tuesday (10 day waiting period). I bought 600 rds of .40 this week so I can go shooting when I get it.
I also ordered 500 rds of .380, 600 rds of .38 SPCL JHP's, .357 SIG barrel for the G27 and some ammo to go with it, but don't tell the wife. ;)
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Hey FQ13
I would love to have one but it's not on the approved list out here so I wouldn't be able to have it on my CCW. Nothing that Bond makes is approved for sale in CA. Same as the Ruger LCP and Taurus Judge and lots of other hand guns.
I do get to pick up my G27 on Tuesday (10 day waiting period). I bought 600 rds of .40 this week so I can go shooting when I get it.
I also ordered 500 rds of .380, 600 rds of .38 SPCL JHP's, .357 SIG barrel for the G27 and some ammo to go with it, but don't tell the wife. ;)
I tried to get my head around the fact that Ca. lets you carry a Glock, but not an over and under single action. My brain sort of shut down halfway through. Its what you get for using that logic thing. It bites you in the ass everytime you try to figure out the mindset of anti's. Oh well, enjoy the G27. If its like my G26 you will be very pleasantly surprised by how accurate the thing is. Shoots a little high like most Glocks, but its neglible at Sd distances and very consistent, nice tight groups. Frankly I think its an advantage in real world circumstances where most folks shoot low. Not a tack driver, but at seven yards its just as good as my G19. Now, if I were you, I would be real sweet to the wife, and buy a buttload of hand gun ammo. Give the visa a workout. God knows what that screwed up ammo bill is going to do to price and availability. We've complained about hoarding but I think we will all make an exception if you live in Ca. Factory ammo should last easily twenty years if you store it right, and $1500 or so spent buying some cases today might seem like a great investment next year. If not, you can always sell it or shoot it.
FQ13
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Bond Arms are small, but HEAVY. You aren't going to put that in a front shirt pocket.
The beauty of the NAA is it weighs less than a pocketknife.
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Just got the Bond out, so old it says Texas Arms and put it into my shirt pocket, nice heavy cotton work shirt. Yes you can feel it, but it does not print, skoal can on top and its even better.
Never tried it there, thanks r_w.
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Since were still breaking records here in S. Fl. (I wish cooler weather would get here), :-\
My Kel-Tec P3AT, in a Nemesis pocket holster breaks all prints in casual shorts. My Walther PPK/S also in a Don Hume IWB works fine with an untucked shirt, but it is a lot heavier than the Kel-Tec.
If and when it ever cools off, and I can wear the rare blue jeans, my M+P .40, or FNH9mm in an IWB by Ace Case works well.
I can conceal these comfortably and fine but not in shorts.
Since I'm not anywhere near "winter coat" territory anymore, my larger pistols, revolvers, and semi-auto's, just kinda hang out in the safe.
Although I could bring back the Sonny Crockett/ Miami Vice shoulder rig with fancy shoes and no socks. 8)
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I tried to get my head around the fact that Ca. lets you carry a Glock, but not an over and under single action. My brain sort of shut down halfway through. God knows what that screwed up ammo bill is going to do to price and availability. We've complained about hoarding but I think we will all make an exception if you live in Ca. Factory ammo should last easily twenty years if you store it right, and $1500 or so spent buying some cases today might seem like a great investment next year. If not, you can always sell it or shoot it.
FQ13
I've spent over $600 on ammo this past week.
I think that Bond may not submit their products for approval for sale in CA. Cobra is on the approved list.
C22LR (Black) / Alloy, Steel Derringer 2.4" .22 LR 7/17/2010
C22LR (Chrome) / Alloy Derringer 2.4" .22 LR 7/17/2010
C22M (Blue) / Alloy, Steel Derringer 2.4" .22 Magnum 5/20/2010
C22M (Chrome) / Alloy Derringer 2.4" .22 Magnum 7/17/2010
C22MS / Alloy, Steel Derringer 2.4" .22 Magnum 2/4/2010
C22S / Alloy, Steel Derringer 2.4" .22 LR 2/4/2010
C32 (Chrome) / Alloy, Steel Derringer 2.4" .32 9/17/2010
C32B / Alloy, Steel Derringer 2.4" .32 ACP 2/4/2010
C32S / Alloy, Steel Derringer 2.4" .32 ACP 2/4/2010
CB38 (Black) / Steel, Alloy Derringer 2.75" .38 Spl 9/17/2010
CB38 (Chrome) / Steel, Alloy Derringer 2.75" .38 Spl 5/20/2010
CB38 (Satin) / Steel, Alloy Derringer 2.75" .38 Spl 9/17/2010
Patriot 45 (Black) / Stainless Steel Pistol 3" .45 ACP 12/18/2010
Patriot 45 (Stainless) / Stainless Steel Pistol 3" .45 ACP 10/28/2010
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RE: Bond Arms
Wow. They chamber that sucker for .357Max. If it's a 3" barrel and the cartridge is 1.88", that only leave a mere 1.12" (less throat) of actual rifled barrel. I don't know that I'd want to fire that sucker in some of those calibers.
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While the Bond Arms derringer is a cool little gun, and might even be a serviceable BACK UP, who in there right mind is going to spend more than a Glock costs to limit themselves to 2 shots ? And don't say MB, we can prove HE'S not in his right mind
;Dhttp://www.bondarms.com/ifirearms.php
For $650 you can by a J frame S&W, a Glock, or several brands of 1911, all of which hold several more rounds and are far easier to shoot.
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While the Bond Arms derringer is a cool little gun, and might even be a serviceable BACK UP, who in there right mind is going to spend more than a Glock costs to limit themselves to 2 shots ? And don't say MB, we can prove HE'S not in his right mind
;Dhttp://www.bondarms.com/ifirearms.php
For $650 you can by a J frame S&W, a Glock, or several brands of 1911, all of which hold several more rounds and are far easier to shoot.
Hey Tom,
I'd buy one. Ain't that a purrty little thing?
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I'm not saying I wouldn't BUY one ;D
I'm just saying I wouldn't trust my life to it when I can get many more rounds for less money.
If money were not a consideration I would even buy a Sig Mosquito, just to say I had one ;D
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I'm not saying I wouldn't BUY one ;D
I'm just saying I wouldn't trust my life to it when I can get many more rounds for less money.
If money were not a consideration I would even buy a Sig Mosquito, just to say I had one ;D
Hey, buy two and have 4 quick ones or even better yet.....................
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What IS that ? It's not one of those COPP .357's. Is it an antique ?
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What IS that ? It's not one of those COPP .357's. Is it an antique ?
1861 Remington Elliot 4 barrel .32 rim fire Derringer. Doesn't everyone have one? ;)
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If money were not a consideration I would even buy a Sig Mosquito, just to say I had one Grin
Be sure to buy 3 or 4, that way you can at least hope to clock the BG in the face when you have to throw it at him..
I think there is a chapter on "Proper Pistol Whipping Techniques, With The Sig Mosquito", in the SD section of the library. :P
Haz has the only working and reliable one anyway,...
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While the Bond Arms derringer is a cool little gun, and might even be a serviceable BACK UP, who in there right mind is going to spend more than a Glock costs to limit themselves to 2 shots ? And don't say MB, we can prove HE'S not in his right mind
;Dhttp://www.bondarms.com/ifirearms.php
For $650 you can by a J frame S&W, a Glock, or several brands of 1911, all of which hold several more rounds and are far easier to shoot.
And if you choose an airweight J or polymer gun it is about the same weight LOADED with those extra rounds. But they won't fit in a shirt pocket.
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I'd like to know where I can find a J frame S&W for what I paid for my Bond. I have the Bond with .357 & .45 colt barrels and have less than $200 into it. ;D ;D ;D
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I'd like to know where I can find a J frame S&W for what I paid for my Bond. I have the Bond with .357 & .45 colt barrels and have less than $200 into it. ;D ;D ;D
You are a lucky man. The Bond is a sweet gun, and fom an engineering stand point pretty much perfect with the non-rebounding fireing pins etc. If they were DA they would be the perfect SD gun. The only down side is the need to cock them. Two shots is a bit of a drawback, but honestly, at 10 feet, if you need more than two rounds of .357, you're probably dead before you can fire the third one anyway.
FQ13
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Way to go Maj, I got mine at wholesale, you did better. ;D
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FQ, You are talking out your butt.
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FQ, You are talking out your butt.
How so? I figure that a distance of ten feet or less, you have maybe two seconds to draw and fire. Obviously, one can maneuver backwards and sideways, but remember that the BG will have the iniative, you will be reacting. Under these circumstances, I don't see an opportunity to get off more than one or two shots. If I'm wrong, tell me why. Obviously, I prefer 11 rounds of 9mm to two of .357, but given concealability, if the Bond were DA, I would have a hard time faulting it.
FQ13
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How so? I figure that a distance of ten feet or less, you have maybe two seconds to draw and fire. Obviously, one can maneuver backwards and sideways, but remember that the BG will have the iniative, you will be reacting. Under these circumstances, I don't see an opportunity to get off more than one or two shots. If I'm wrong, tell me why. Obviously, I prefer 11 rounds of 9mm to two of .357, but given concealability, if the Bond were DA, I would have a hard time faulting it.
FQ13
You might miss.
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You might miss.
True, but if you miss with the first two, the extra nine won't do much good if the BG is sticking a knife in your gut. I prefer a Glock to a Bond. I see a derringer as a backup, or a hot wether gun. Still, having looked at someone ten feet away, I realized how short a distance that was, and how fast things were likely to happen. Its why I waded into the swamp of .45 vs 9mm to think about which would be the better choice. (Research says, who the hell knows, stay with what you have). Regardless, if the guy had rushed me, I would have been doing well to clear leather and gotten one shot off at leg level and another torso level before we were wrestling for the gun. Maybe a third if I was having a good day. The thing is with SD, its all about the D. They have the initiave, you react in circumstances of their choosing. Awareness helps, but you are still not going to be in control of the situation most times, until you react. Then, you roll the dice. I prefer 11 to two, but I'm rather resigned to the fact that two might be all you get.
FQ13
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As long as we're speculating here.....what if you have time to get the two shots off and they're both good hits...and the BG goes down.....and there is a second (or third) BG?
I'm not dismissing what you are saying......or even disagreeing to a point..... I'm just saying that the only way I'm limiting myself to using a BUG as a primary SD gun is if there are no other options.
I'd love to have a Bond....as a BUG.
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As long as we're speculating here.....what if you have time to get the two shots off and they're both good hits...and the BG goes down.....and there is a second (or third) BG?
I'm not dismissing what you are saying......or even disagreeing to a point..... I'm just saying that the only way I'm limiting myself to using a BUG as a primary SD gun is if there are no other options.
I'd love to have a Bond....as a BUG.
And here we are in agreement. Hell, in the right (or wrong) kind of neighborhood, of which we have many in my neck of the woods, I'd carry my AR if I could get away with it. The only reason I like the Bond, beyond the obvious, is that you can carry it concealed no matter what you are wearing. A huge plus when its 90 degrees and 95% humidity outside. However, even if it was DA, it would never be my first choice. The G26, with 11 rounds takes that category. I just think that at quick and dirty close range, we are kidding ourselves if we think we are going to solve the problem with the seventh shot. I think it will be over one way or another long before that.
FQ13
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FQ, you are ignorant.
These are REVOLVERS, Mundon is using an SA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZHVspVIDs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ed9T1k8Wpw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIYGzeryEsg&feature=related
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FQ, you are ignorant.
These are REVOLVERS, Mundon is using an SA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZHVspVIDs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ed9T1k8Wpw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIYGzeryEsg&feature=related
Tom
Still not seeing your point. Merely saying that:
1) a Bond is a good BUG/hot weather carry piece and I wish it came DA
2) I prefer a Glock with 11 rounds
3) I am unsure if the larger mag capacity will be an issue in a close quarters encounter
4) I ain't Munden and never will be
What's your beef?
FQ13
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No porn. Everyday carry.
S&W 642 .38 + P
In right hand pocket, Uncle Mike's Sidekick.
Or
Crossbreed IWB storng side
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Tom
Still not seeing your point. Merely saying that:
1) a Bond is a good BUG/hot weather carry piece and I wish it came DA
2) I prefer a Glock with 11 rounds
3) I am unsure if the larger mag capacity will be an issue in a close quarters encounter
4) I ain't Munden and never will be
What's your beef?
FQ13
My beef is that your maintaining that 2 shots is about all you will get is not bared out by facts, nor does it take into account multiple attackers as YOU experienced recently. People come to this forum for accurate info and what you are posting is NOT.
The Bond may be OK as a back up, however it is not the best, or even really a good choice, as an example, the Ruger LCP or Kel-Tec weigh less carry 3 times the ammo and cost 1/2 as much.
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AMT Backup .45 in a DeSantis Nemesis.
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Summer in Texas with a DeSantis inside the pocket holster. 125 grain Hollow points +p.
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Winter in Texas with a Galco IWB holster. 230grain hollow points.
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True, but if you miss with the first two, the extra nine won't do much good if the BG is sticking a knife in your gut. I prefer a Glock to a Bond. I see a derringer as a backup, or a hot wether gun. Still, having looked at someone ten feet away, I realized how short a distance that was, and how fast things were likely to happen. Its why I waded into the swamp of .45 vs 9mm to think about which would be the better choice. (Research says, who the hell knows, stay with what you have). Regardless, if the guy had rushed me, I would have been doing well to clear leather and gotten one shot off at leg level and another torso level before we were wrestling for the gun. Maybe a third if I was having a good day. The thing is with SD, its all about the D. They have the initiave, you react in circumstances of their choosing. Awareness helps, but you are still not going to be in control of the situation most times, until you react. Then, you roll the dice. I prefer 11 to two, but I'm rather resigned to the fact that two might be all you get.
FQ13
I just noticed this . I'm curious FQ, what DO you do under those circumstances ? Give up ? It is also overlooking the FACT that just because your attacker is up close, does not mean he has been able to stick that knife in your gut. What you are missing is the objective, which is to DEFEND yourself, not necessarily to shoot the BG. If you are DEFENDING yourself, you are fending off his attack at the same time you are drawing your weapon.
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True, but if you miss with the first two, the extra nine won't do much good if the BG is sticking a knife in your gut. I prefer a Glock to a Bond. I see a derringer as a backup, or a hot wether gun. Still, having looked at someone ten feet away, I realized how short a distance that was, and how fast things were likely to happen. Its why I waded into the swamp of .45 vs 9mm to think about which would be the better choice. (Research says, who the hell knows, stay with what you have). Regardless, if the guy had rushed me, I would have been doing well to clear leather and gotten one shot off at leg level and another torso level before we were wrestling for the gun. Maybe a third if I was having a good day. The thing is with SD, its all about the D. They have the initiave, you react in circumstances of their choosing. Awareness helps, but you are still not going to be in control of the situation most times, until you react. Then, you roll the dice. I prefer 11 to two, but I'm rather resigned to the fact that two might be all you get.
FQ13
I just noticed this . I'm curious FQ, what DO you do under those circumstances ? Give up ? It is also overlooking the FACT that just because your attacker is up close, does not mean he has been able to stick that knife in your gut. What you are missing is the objective, which is to DEFEND yourself, not necessarily to shoot the BG. If you are DEFENDING yourself, you are fending off his attack at the same time you are drawing your weapon.
I don't like to knock down any particular method or firearm other people want to use, but I personally wouldn't use a Derringer for anything other than maybe a 3rd back up gun. No way do I want to limit myself to just 2 shots, they take way to long to reload. A J-frame isn't much bigger and has 2 1/2 times the capacity and is lighter and with a little training can be reloaded in a reasonable amount of time. The moral here I guess is don't short change yourself before the fight even starts!!
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I don't like to knock down any particular method or firearm other people want to use, but I personally wouldn't use a Derringer for anything other than maybe a 3rd back up gun. No way do I want to limit myself to just 2 shots, they take way to long to reload. A J-frame isn't much bigger and has 2 1/2 times the capacity and is lighter and with a little training can be reloaded in a reasonable amount of time. The moral here I guess is don't short change yourself before the fight even starts!!
Hit!
For about the same size and weight, you can carry a j-frame