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Surprise ! BO is full of crap. again
« on: December 01, 2009, 11:30:36 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_fact_check_obama_afghanistan



WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's speech Tuesday night did not always match the reality on the ground in Afghanistan.

The president raised expectations that may be hard to meet when he told Americans his troop increase in Afghanistan will accelerate the training of that country's own forces and be accompanied by more help from allies.

A look at some of his claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA: "Because this is an international effort, I have asked that our commitment be joined by contributions from our allies. Some have already provided additional troops, and we are confident that there will be further contributions in the days and weeks ahead."

THE FACTS: When Obama says he is confident that allied countries will provide more troops in the weeks ahead he is setting aside years of mostly empty-handed American efforts to get others, including allies in NATO, to deepen their commitment to combat in Afghanistan.

One reason, which Obama did not mention, is that other countries, particularly those in Europe, have viewed the conflict — and its likely solution — much differently than Washington. They have seen it primarily as a humanitarian and reconstruction mission, rather than a counterinsurgency fight. And they have pushed for greater nonmilitary means of addressing Afghanistan's instability.

For a time there also was a European sense of hangover from the U.S. invasion of Iraq and a perceived go-it-alone bent by the Bush administration.

Obama is technically correct in anticipating that some allies will offer more assistance, possibly as early as the coming week during a series of NATO consultations about how the troop requirements of commanders in Afghanistan might be met. But history has shown that these troop contributions often are incremental, sometimes slow in materializing and frequently with conditions attached.

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OBAMA: The extra U.S. forces for Afghanistan "will increase our ability to train competent Afghan Security Forces, and to partner with them so that more Afghans can get into the fight. And they will help create the conditions for the United States to transfer responsibility to the Afghans. "

THE FACTS: The problem with Afghan forces is not just their lack of numbers. And it's not an unwillingness to fight. The problem too often is their effectiveness, once trained for combat. Too many get into the fight but don't remain or don't perform.

A major change of approach promised by Obama's new chief commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, is to partner entire U.S. and NATO combat units with newly fielded Afghan units — large and small — so the Afghans get more exposure to professional military leadership practices and combat tactics. This is an approach that was used to good effect in recent years in Iraq.

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OBAMA: "In the past, there have been those in Pakistan who have argued that the struggle against extremism is not their fight and that Pakistan is better off doing little or seeking accommodation with those who use violence. But in recent years, as innocents have been killed from Karachi to Islamabad, it has become clear that it is the Pakistani people who are the most endangered by extremism. Public opinion has turned. The Pakistani army has waged an offensive in Swat and South Waziristan. And there is no doubt that the United States and Pakistan share a common enemy."

THE FACTS: It's true the Pakistani army this year has launched offensives against extremist elements in the areas cited by Obama. What he did not mention, however, is that the groups being targeted by the Pakistanis are those that threaten the Pakistani government — not those, also based in Pakistan, that are focused on attacking U.S. and Afghan forces on the other side of the porous border with Afghanistan.

Obama administration officials have publicly praised Pakistan for taking on the extremists in Swat and South Waziristan. But they also have made clear that they want Pakistan to put more military pressure on the Afghan-focused extremist groups, which have so far not been confronted on the Pakistan side of the border, other than by airstrikes from unmanned U.S. drones.

Among the groups not yet confronted directly by the Pakistani army is al-Qaida, whose top leader, Osama bin Laden, is believed to be hiding on the Pakistan side of the border.

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OBAMA: "Let me be clear: there has never been an option before me that called for troop deployments before 2010, so there has been no delay or denial of resources necessary for the conduct of the war."

THE FACTS: He is correct, despite being accused by former Vice President Dick Cheney of dithering by taking the autumn to review options for Afghanistan.

Former Afghan war commander Gen. David McKiernan asked in 2008 for three brigades — of which two were approved for deployment by Obama in March of this year — but wanted the third to arrive in 2010, not earlier. His successor, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, posited a range of troop buildups — favoring about 40,000 — but did not ask for them to be in place as early as this year.

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Re: Surprise ! BO is full of crap. again
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2009, 09:38:31 AM »
While I managed to listen to most of the speech, I had to go take blood pressure meds after. When I heard him say that he was setting a time table, my heart sunk. It IS Vietnam all over again. I really can't believe that these people are that ignorant. So it must be that they are intentionally setting us up to lose ANOTHER war. As far as I'm concerned as soon as BHO set a time table, we surrendered. He knows that our enemies watch CNN. It was like he was saying "Just hold out a little longer guys, and I'll get those pesky troops out of your training camps" I guess I understand, he needs to get those troops home because he THINKS they will protect him when the lynch mob arrives on his doorstep. (I can't wait to see that one backfire on him)

My point is that, as far as I'm concerned, last night was a surrender speech. DELIVERED AT WEST POINT! >:( I can't think of a more demoralizing speech given to our military. It is a sad day in America. I'm afraid we just gave up fighting for liberty in the world guys. The shining city on the hill that Reagan envisioned is now burnt, and covered in graffiti.   :'(
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Re: Surprise ! BO is full of crap. again
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2009, 09:56:13 AM »
 We never should have stayed in that pile of crap country any way. The only legitimate reason for going there in the 1st place was as a punitive expedition to kill as many Al Queda as possible, and punish the Taliban for sheltering them.
After the 1st election there was no further purpose in getting our troops killed there.
Our gutless Politicians can not faced that type of reality and have to put a "goody two shoes" face on it and claim we are "Spreading Democracy". RIGGGHHHTT  ::). We are going to spread "Democracy, which, in it's several thousand years of history, has NEVER worked, to a country that  is composed of the 16th century version of Muslim Rednecks. Their history is composed of loyalty to Family, and clan AGAINST the central government.
The only way I will support the continued  sacrifice of our troops is if our Govt produces a coherent and achievable definition of what will constitute a "win".

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2009, 10:34:19 AM »
You'll never get that from this Puppet in chief.   >:(
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Re: Surprise ! BO is full of crap. again
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2009, 10:37:23 AM »
That was the "Lesson" of Vietnam. Don't go to war with out a clearly defined objective.

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2009, 10:58:57 AM »
Even CBS was bashing him after the speech.  My kids were trying to find NCIS after it was over and I thought the TV was still on Fox.  I about had a stroke when Katie came on to defend the chief...
"Why are you carrying a pistol?  Expecting trouble?"

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