Told ya liberals are just fooling themselves

[ericire12]

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/14/new-study-many-highly-educated-people-mistakenly-believe-theyre-left-wing/

New study: Many highly educated people mistakenly believe they’re left-wing

The study suggests that some people may end up voting for left of centre parties because they hold the mistaken belief that they are left wing…
“The most startling result is that the more educated tend to believe that they are more left-wing than they are measured as being,” said Dr Rockey. “That is, well-educated individuals are more likely to think that they are quite left-wing but actually believe things that compared to the rest of the population would make them comparatively right-wing.
“The analysis suggests that the cause of this is different to the effect of gender, income, or job type. Other results suggest that men and those with higher-incomes are more likely to both think that they are rightwing and to be measured as such.”
Dr Rockey said one speculative explanation is that people may hold on to their perception that they have left-wing views, but that over time as their circumstances and social network changes their actual political opinions drift rightwards.

I would also include some libertarians

[m25operator]

Of course you should include libertarians, they believe in the constitution, right of center, they believe in a womans right to choose, left of center, what is conservative? To me it is what your life and your families lives depend on, managing your money right, understanding that No matter how much I want it today, I cannot afford it, so I don't buy it, Maybe next month or never. That is the Fiscal part, now to the civil part, We believe no body owes us nothing, it is on us to provide, and save for bad times, eat a lot of beans, cut our own meat, preserve it properly, maybe put some water away, work on our own cars, know the business end of a shovel and getting muddy wet, because we have a leak in the water system under the slab and maybe you have conservative neighbors who will jump in and help.

I am a walking talking contradiction, ( Kris Kristofferson reference , Partly fact and partly fiction )  I am a German/Irish man, raised by at 1st, a white male asshole who beat me with the belt and his fist, drove my mother out into the street naked, adopted by an Hispanic male, who IS my Father, He does not vote, but I guaranty, he is conservative, in every way, he taught me to hunt and fish, not so much shoot, that was my decision. He was embarrased by his Hispanic heritage, and for a long time, said He was Italian. He loved and took care of his family, gave up a lot of things he liked, he had a brand new 69 Buick Riveria when he met my mom, that became a 69 ford Country Squire station wagon, and his car became a 1958 International pickup, later to become a 1954 buick 4 door, that was offered to me for my 1st car, at one time, he had a Corvair van, now we are really out there, but that became the hunting truck.

In conclusion, 1st, Hispanics are conservative, they just don't know it, If they vote, they vote left only due to politicism,  The language barrier keeps the Moms and Pops from making the right vote, they believe they will be getting care from different agencies, my FIL, is a Korean Veteran, part of Nato, which surprised me, served in the Phillipines. Hardest working, loving, man on the planet that believes in America, did he vote replublican, I don't know. We have great conversations though, I would like to publish his picture of the Nato force he was part of. Very interesting.

[Solus]

Of course you should include libertarians, they believe in the constitution, right of center, they believe in a womans right to choose, left of center, what is conservative? To me it is what your life and your families lives depend on, managing your money right, understanding that No matter how much I want it today, I cannot afford it, so I don't buy it, Maybe next month or never. That is the Fiscal part, now to the civil part, We believe no body owes us nothing, it is on us to provide, and save for bad times, eat a lot of beans, cut our own meat, preserve it properly, maybe put some water away, work on our own cars, know the business end of a shovel and getting muddy wet, because we have a leak in the water system under the slab and maybe you have conservative neighbors who will jump in and help.

I am a walking talking contradiction.

An expansion of the Libertarian Party stance on abortion:

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that libertarians can hold good-faith views on both sides, we believe the government should be kept out of the question. We condemn state-funded abortions. It is particularly harsh to force someone who believes that abortion is murder to pay for another’s abortion. It is the right of the woman, not the state, to decide the desirability of prenatal testing, Cesarean births, fetal surgery, and/or home births.

I would say I am Pro-Life, but two issues cause me to say "with reservations"

First issue is I cannot come to a clear conception when a fetus "becomes" a person.  At one extreme, the Catholic Church, with it's ban of the use of birth control, seems to consider it the possible union of sperm and egg. On the other extreme (and I in no way support this), studies show that baby chimps are more advanced than human babies until around age two when humans start to learn to speak, so age two would be when human babies "rise above" other babies.  Some where between those two extremes is the answer.  Is it conception or birth?  Or still inbetween.

The second issue is that I am not a woman.  Should a woman be required to take a pregnancy from rape to full term?  I cannot imagine what horror that might mean for a woman to have the seed of her rapist growing and being nurtured inside her.  I would have to say no, the choice is hers.

Now, if the fetus "becomes human" at conception, then any abortion is murder, even in the rape case since the fetus did not commit any crime, and I cannot take that view.

Before I came across the Libertarian Party, I used to describe myself as a Philosophical Liberal (meaning a stronger believer in the Right of individuals to choose how to lead their lives) and a Political Conservative (meaning a proponent of limited government power).

I also viewed the Democrats (Liberals) as wanting to control my money and the Republicans (Conservatives) as wanting to control my life.  For me, the Libertarian Party most aligned with my beliefs. 

[tombogan03884]

A comment on M25's post,

"1st, Hispanics are conservative, they just don't know it, If they vote, they vote left only due to politicism, "

A co worker and I were discussing something similar to this.
As many of you know, I'm 50 y/o, the guy I was talking with is 60, We were discussing sales tax versus income tax, his point was that every one votes their own self interest, He prefers an income tax because he will only be earning for another 5 years or so, then all the younger people (like me    ) will be paying his way, I prefer the sales tax because I'll be earning for another 15 -20 years, and would prefer having the tourists pay part of my way.
Hispanics, who enjoy a  fiscally and morally conservative  culture will vote liberal Dem because it serves their self interest.
Can't blame them for that.

In my opinion, the political labels now used are BS. R or D don't matter if the  the Pol is a conservative or liberal, or Moderate, look at Olympia Snowe in Me. or Scott Brown, they both have an R but vote D.
Liberal and Conservative are meaningless as well, If you look up "liberal" you will find meanings like "permissive", The nanny state communists are any thing but, they want to control everything from how you educate your kid to what you say, think, and even eat. (NYC, Bloomberg's ban on Trans fats ).

[bafsu92]

In my opinion, the political labels now used are BS. R or D don't matter if the  the Pol is a conservative or liberal, or Moderate, look at Olympia Snowe in Me. or Scott Brown, they both have an R but vote D.
Liberal and Conservative are meaningless as well, If you look up "liberal" you will find meanings like "permissive", The nanny state communists are any thing but, they want to control everything from how you educate your kid to what you say, think, and even eat. (NYC, Bloomberg's ban on Trans fats ).

That is what we've become as a country, it's all the same and just about any professional politician will flip with the changing wind if it's in their (not their constituents) best interest. I'll be 40 this year and I've been a registered Libertarian since I first registered at 18. In fact my multiple letters to local papers and guest spots on local radio is the primary reason the county I reside in started listing secondary parties on the voter ID cards. When I first registered to vote they used R, D or O any party other than the big 2 were simply listed on the rolls as other. I didn't like that.

The thing is the Libertarian Party isn't a perfect fit for me but it's the closest thing going other than maybe the Guns & Dope Party but then it's hard enough to get most "regular" people to take you seriously as a Libertarian. M25 is spot on as far as fiscally conservative but maybe a more liberal view socially, taking care of yourself and your family, fixing your own possessions etc. I basically want smaller government, especially federally. I want to be left alone and in turn I plan to take care of myself and my family without government help. I do favor sales tax over income tax (I prefer no tax) since I live in FL I'd like the tourists to cover the bulk of my states expenses. I just feel like 20 years ago the government was to big and now it's completely out of control. Personally I'm pro-life, for me and my family but politically I'm pro-choice because I think the government has no right to tell us what to do with our bodies.

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[tombogan03884]

Bafsu, the "self interest I was referring to was YOURS, (the voter, not the azzhole politician ) and you made my case for me.

"I do favor sales tax over income tax (I prefer no tax) since I live in FL I'd like the tourists to cover the bulk of my states expenses."

If you were on Social Security, and what ever pension, (limited income) you would not want to pay extra for everything, you would favor Income tax and let the younger, still working, people pay your states expenses.

[Solus]

If the income tax was a flat rate of about 5%, which should let the Feds do what they have the responsibility to do, not to many would be put off by an income tax.

[bafsu92]

Bafsu, the "self interest I was referring to was YOURS, (the voter, not the azzhole politician ) and you made my case for me.

"I do favor sales tax over income tax (I prefer no tax) since I live in FL I'd like the tourists to cover the bulk of my states expenses."

If you were on Social Security, and what ever pension, (limited income) you would not want to pay extra for everything, you would favor Income tax and let the younger, still working, people pay your states expenses.

If I was turning 60 this year then I'd probably favor income tax but turning 40 makes me prefer sales tax. I guess you'd have to do the math to see where your personal change point would be. I personally try to buy taxed items as little as possible preferring to barter, buy used and buy on the internet. I also attempt to get my employment contracts issued overseas whenever possible to limit income tax. The point is moot though because as long as we have our current system with the "azzhole politicians" we will be taxed to the max in every area possible.

[tombogan03884]

Exactly